Skirax Posted March 7, 2009 Author Share Posted March 7, 2009 Anyway, before the Meltas get aimed at this thread from 6" away, I would like to get back on topic? I allow things like mentioning Frostmourne and discussing the Cover, but c'mon, don't start arguing whether or not Warcraft is a rip off of Warhammer 40k/ FB. Has anyone noticed that it is actually very cartoony compared to the others? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161126-russ-on-the-new-cover/page/2/#findComment-1910508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 Yes, actually. Kind of interesting, but I think everyone wanted to relish in the glory that is Leman, especially since this strikes me as one of the books that will have a lot of focus on a primarch, exlcuding Fulgrim and select others. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161126-russ-on-the-new-cover/page/2/#findComment-1911157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Of Malfeasance X Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 I thouht Leman Russ used a spear. Wasn't that the whole point of Ragnar's shame? That at the Wolftime, Russ would come back to that temple and claim the spear, but Ragnar threw it through the warp at Magnus' eye, thus negating the prophecy with typical SW logic: if the spear isn't in the temple, Russ can't claim it and the wolftime can never happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161126-russ-on-the-new-cover/page/2/#findComment-1911237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 I thouht Leman Russ used a spear. Wasn't that the whole point of Ragnar's shame? That at the Wolftime, Russ would come back to that temple and claim the spear, but Ragnar threw it through the warp at Magnus' eye, thus negating the prophecy with typical SW logic: if the spear isn't in the temple, Russ can't claim it and the wolftime can never happen. No, it isn't. Read through Wolf's Honour, you'll get it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161126-russ-on-the-new-cover/page/2/#findComment-1911249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 I thouht Leman Russ used a spear. Wasn't that the whole point of Ragnar's shame? That at the Wolftime, Russ would come back to that temple and claim the spear, but Ragnar threw it through the warp at Magnus' eye, thus negating the prophecy with typical SW logic: if the spear isn't in the temple, Russ can't claim it and the wolftime can never happen. To quote a 13nth co Wolf Lord: "Russ hated that spear". Sure he might have owned it, but it was a gift from one of his brothers and he didnt use it. He had a frostblade name mjalnir, and I think the sword on the cover took "frost" to literally. Wich is why it looks like the WOW sword Frostmourne... because how many ways are there to make giant should be two handed swords of ice with a skull motif on them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161126-russ-on-the-new-cover/page/2/#findComment-1912243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc O' Luck Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 Well I suppose we're in agreement then, that it looks like frostmourne, and while I agree that Warhammer's lore is superior to Warcraft's, that doesn't quite justify rippin' it off does it?As for origionality, Warhammer isn't the most origional universe either. I mean c'mon, Mjalnar? They aren't ripping it off... The design was on the original model, like, 20 years ago. Once again, we come back to Blizzard ripping off GW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161126-russ-on-the-new-cover/page/2/#findComment-1912334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirnir Ragefang Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I think the original Sword on the model looked more like a sword from the chaos warriors. ( I use alot of them myself on my wolves) It should be a huge chainsword, more like the one Ragnar wields, just cooler :P but that is inconsistency on GWs part. Does anyone else think the wolves on the cover are really ugly, and look nothing like wolves? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161126-russ-on-the-new-cover/page/2/#findComment-1913190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific81 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Well, it won't be the first cover to be innacurate in terms of pre-heresy (looking at the armour of the guys on 'False Gods' for example). Great bit of artwork in its own right, but I agree changing Mjalnir to look like a WoW 'Frost sword of the monkey' is a bit of a shame. And yes the wolves are ugly, but I don't think that Russ ever had any pretensions about entering them for Crufts.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161126-russ-on-the-new-cover/page/2/#findComment-1916187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 changing Mjalnir to look like a WoW 'Frost sword of the monkey' is a bit of a shame. Gah, this irks me so much. Stop saying dumb things like this, they might have, they might not, but stop accusing them of something that you have no idea about. They changed it, but you don't know why, and you don't know the inspiration, so shush about what you think it might be! Gah. And I like the look of the Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161126-russ-on-the-new-cover/page/2/#findComment-1916674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific81 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 changing Mjalnir to look like a WoW 'Frost sword of the monkey' is a bit of a shame. Gah, this irks me so much. Stop saying dumb things like this, they might have, they might not, but stop accusing them of something that you have no idea about. They changed it, but you don't know why, and you don't know the inspiration, so shush about what you think it might be! Gah. And I like the look of the Wolves. How can you say something is 'dumb' when I am merely proffering an opinion? You are perfectly entitled to view the sword on the cover as the best thing since the lightsabre, but I would not label you as 'dumb' for doing so regardless of my personal opinion. To be honest I find your words a little insulting. But then again maybe its unrealistic to expect everyone here to have an adult's level of eloquence and maturity in their posts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161126-russ-on-the-new-cover/page/2/#findComment-1916705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 changing Mjalnir to look like a WoW 'Frost sword of the monkey' is a bit of a shame. Gah, this irks me so much. Stop saying dumb things like this, they might have, they might not, but stop accusing them of something that you have no idea about. They changed it, but you don't know why, and you don't know the inspiration, so shush about what you think it might be! Gah. And I like the look of the Wolves. How can you say something is 'dumb' when I am merely proffering an opinion? You are perfectly entitled to view the sword on the cover as the best thing since the lightsabre, but I would not label you as 'dumb' for doing so regardless of my personal opinion. To be honest I find your words a little insulting. But then again maybe its unrealistic to expect everyone here to have an adult's level of eloquence and maturity in their posts. Ah, come off as above me with a "stronger" vocabulary. Yes, I know that wasn't your intention, at least your reply would say as much. And I quote, "...maybe its unrealistic to expect everyone here to have an adult's level...," this is an arrogant speech pattern, you know it, I know it. Anyway, save your five dollar words for someone who might be impressed by them, you might feel it expresses your intelligence and "eloquence" of your posts, it doesn't. What does? And I quote, "...changing Mjalnir to look like a WoW 'Frost sword of the monkey' is a bit of a shame..." This is presented as a factual statement, had you phrased it like an opinion I would've ignored making a counterpoint. Your belief that if they modelled it after Frostmourne, it is a shame, is not dumb. My point was that you were making an opinion on something you presented as fact, which is far from true. Oh, and if you are so wrapped up in your own eloquence, perhaps you should temper it by making the distinction that I never said you are dumb, I said your post was. :D I apologize if I insulted you, my words were strong and not necessarily justified, but the message of them remains the same. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161126-russ-on-the-new-cover/page/2/#findComment-1916809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-chaplain Astador Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 The wolves actually look frightening, they've done a very good job on them, making them look like Fenrisian wolves, not just..well, wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161126-russ-on-the-new-cover/page/2/#findComment-1916919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific81 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 ++ Edited out ++ All I know is, I wouldn't change the channel on Russ's TV without asking first.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161126-russ-on-the-new-cover/page/2/#findComment-1916979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Oh, and if you are so wrapped up in your own eloquence, perhaps you should temper it by making the distinction that I never said you are dumb, I said your post was. :) I apologize if I insulted you, my words were strong and not necessarily justified, but the message of them remains the same. Don't worry I'm a veteran of the WoW boards, haven of the depraved, so it takes a bit more than some ill manners to hurt my feelings :lol: Word. You're a doody hand. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161126-russ-on-the-new-cover/page/2/#findComment-1916986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 I think the original Sword on the model looked more like a sword from the chaos warriors. ( I use alot of them myself on my wolves)It should be a huge chainsword, more like the one Ragnar wields, just cooler :huh: but that is inconsistency on GWs part. Does anyone else think the wolves on the cover are really ugly, and look nothing like wolves? Pre-heresy chaionswords were like that, so you could do a backhanded sweep without having to change grip on the handle :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161126-russ-on-the-new-cover/page/2/#findComment-1917364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messanger of Death Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 I actually like the book cover, and i agree that it isnt the same as the other books, but at the same time it doesnt appear cartoony. It is just a different style. And the wolves do look sorta like lions but at the same time they arent your everyday wolves (a longer nose would have fixed up the issue, unless they are supposed to give the impression they are snarling, then it isnt too bad). As for the whole frostmourne issue (off topic from original post). Must consider context when talking about sci-fi games. Warhammer 40K has been around since the 80s with rogue trader; it and D&D where like the originals as far as i understand it. Anything after that is using these as building blocks (my personal opinion, not a fact). Also does anyone know who painted the book cover, for all we know it could of been someone that worked with or closely with the WoW design team. So lets keep our minds open to the possibilities before someone gets this thread shot at by an inquisitor. Cheers Messanger N.B. the idea of Russ being raised by wolves might have its links to roman mythology where the creator of rome was raised by a she-wolf along with her young. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161126-russ-on-the-new-cover/page/2/#findComment-1917936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 i figured the wolves were madre to look like lions from the High Elf plastic Lion Chariot...thats what they remind me off... also kinda pricey, so GW could make some bucks off us Wolf players. Wolf Lord Kieran Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161126-russ-on-the-new-cover/page/2/#findComment-1918884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific81 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 .. You know, someone on another forum pointed out entirely the same thing.. But surely that must be too cynical? They wouldn't do that would they? :cuss Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161126-russ-on-the-new-cover/page/2/#findComment-1920373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imriel Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I think the original Sword on the model looked more like a sword from the chaos warriors. ( I use alot of them myself on my wolves)It should be a huge chainsword, more like the one Ragnar wields, just cooler :) but that is inconsistency on GWs part. Interestinly enough, I recall hearing that origionaly the Ragnar figure was actaully designed as an up dated to the old Russ figure, I even remember seeing photos of the origional "base peg" having Leman Russ sculpted on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161126-russ-on-the-new-cover/page/2/#findComment-1922694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF4i Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 .. You know, someone on another forum pointed out entirely the same thing.. But surely that must be too cynical? They wouldn't do that would they? :) The problem is the logic is purely correlative. I don't care if the entire world says it, until I see the truth (and we never will) I'm giving Games Workshop the benefit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161126-russ-on-the-new-cover/page/2/#findComment-1923933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific81 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 ... It was a joke mate.. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161126-russ-on-the-new-cover/page/2/#findComment-1924429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted March 20, 2009 Author Share Posted March 20, 2009 But surely that must be too cynical? They wouldn't do that would they? ;) Have you MET Games Workshop? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161126-russ-on-the-new-cover/page/2/#findComment-1924459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I hate the cover, Russ looks out of proportion, the wolves look like lions bread with wargs. Nasty cover. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161126-russ-on-the-new-cover/page/2/#findComment-1926040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 The book cover is alright i suppose, i can't see that being Russ as he just isn't that intimidating, he looks like a demented Hells Angel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161126-russ-on-the-new-cover/page/2/#findComment-1926231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneSniperSG Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 That's Geri and Freki? I thought they were just really close friends of his... I hope he's not that close with those poor puppies... They are his siblings. AAAAAAAAAGH! Crazy is all up in this place! You must be a young Blood Claw, huh? New to the Wolves? Spend some time among the grizzled Space Wolves vets and we'll get your lore squared away. :devil: Now what the frappacino is all this about Frostmourne? beat-tastic sword, but different game, mateys. Russ has the fireblade Mjalnar. The base of the blade is forged with a venerable golden wolf head on it, not a ram skull. AFAIK, Mjalnar has always looked this way. I know of two older pictures of Leman Russ that show Mjalnar as such, possibly more than that. Maybe Mjalnar and Frostmourne look alike. "OMG". Dudes.. Seriously. I won't lose any sleep over it. If and when you get the book, ignore the cover and go on with reading. Granted, the illustrator may have fudged a little and threw in a bit too much ice where there's supposed to be fire. Too bad. f you have a problem with the picture and are complaining about it, you should be kicking yourself for not stepping up and volunteering to do the illustration yourself. The book cover is alright i suppose, i can't see that being Russ as he just isn't that intimidating, he looks like a demented Hells Angel. Ya. A 10-foot man in ablative power armor with wolf fangs, wild hair and a big flaming sword is never intimidating. Especially when that giant warrior is charging into a scrap. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/161126-russ-on-the-new-cover/page/2/#findComment-1926333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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