Death Heads

[Ferrus Manus]

1. The Chapter's Honor Guard wear Terminator Armor. Their weapon of office is a halberd-trident. The Chapter has ten Honor Guard and one Master who is equal in rank to the Captains. If anything, they're very similar to the Death Shroud from the Death Guard, except their identities are known.

Nothing wrong with this, an interesting idea from a modelling point of view. Not sure if it's legal rules-wise though. Does this master hold a special rank or is his title just Master?

2. Burial of dead marines:

This one is off with me because I have two ideas, three if you count the possible twist on the second. The first is that every dead marine is kept in the Fortress Monastery, possibly after being cremated and placed in an urn. The second is that Marines are taken back to the world and their coffin or what have you is placed in the ocean. The third, a twist on the second, is that their bodies are ceremoniously ejected into space. The latter two can also involve the cremation. Opinions?

I thing an amalgamation of all the ideas would be best. Possibly they are cremated and their ashes are scattered into the ocean? So that they finally become one with the sea?

3. Terminators have trophy racks akin to Chaos Space Marine Terminators. They collect heads off of worthy foes. Marines do the same, except instead of trophy racks they have a chain which they tie said severed heads to. In addition to skulls, the marines also collect trophies, such as Ork Boss Poles and teeth.

This is feasible, many chapters collect trophies from their foes.

4. Chanting. During some battles, when the marines are clearly at an advantage, the marines begin to chant an Old Charybdis war hyme, "Yo ho" in the above post. In addition to this, I think it would be interesting to have a pipe organ on a Land Raider. Possibly a relic, showing both the Chapter's artistic nature, as well as being a tongue and cheek reference to Davy Jones' own organ in the PotC films. The only problem being who plays the organ. The idea is very similar to the Exorcist, except it's a Land Raider cooler.

Interesting, but only really adds to the chapter from a modelling sense.

[Ace Debonair]

1. The Chapter's Honor Guard wear Terminator Armor. Their weapon of office is a halberd-trident. The Chapter has ten Honor Guard and one Master who is equal in rank to the Captains. If anything, they're very similar to the Death Shroud from the Death Guard, except their identities are known.

Nothing wrong with this, an interesting idea from a modelling point of view. Not sure if it's legal rules-wise though. Does this master hold a special rank or is his title just Master?

 

Bosun or First Mate for example :P

On a serious note I like the idea of the honour guard and the use of tridents especially. Very Posiedon. ;)

 

Maybe the land raider with the organ could be a vehicle associated with the Chapter Master, rather than for the whole Chapter? I think too many church organs would be a bit odd. (Also with regard to the film reference you don't get to see anyone else jamming on the organ. :) )

I'm sure some backstory about it being a lost relic from a fallen imperial world could be arranged. Just have the chapter claim it and tie it to a land raider. :P

 

I also like Ferrus Manus' idea of the cremation/burial at sea. Very striking mental picture.

[Grey Hunter Ydalir]

1. The Chapter's Honor Guard wear Terminator Armor. Their weapon of office is a halberd-trident. The Chapter has ten Honor Guard and one Master who is equal in rank to the Captains. If anything, they're very similar to the Death Shroud from the Death Guard, except their identities are known.

 

To be honest I don't much like it. It's tacky. Every man and his dog seems to like the Halberds since they became more renowned due to the Grey Knights and more recently the Custodes. A Halberd is a slow, cumbersome weapon that while great for crowd control and ranked-up units is not the most fantastic personal fighting weapon for one-on-one encounters. A marine would not be playing to his strengths if he used a Halberd. Though the Halberds used by the Grey Knights and Custodes are more the size of a poleaxe from what I can tell, rather than a full-length polearm (where a Halberd would be more towards the length of a pike compared to the wielder).

 

Also the trident thing is more 'Poseidon' and less 'pirate'. The trident is a bit of an over the top bit of imagery as well for a sea-world chapter. It's like getting a ship and painting another ship on it's hull instead of a name. You have more than enough references and influences in the chapter already before converting an ancient greek/roman weapon and throwing it into the mix. The trident also takes away from the 'pirate' theme heavily as I said before. When was the last time you saw a pirate with a trident?

 

It would be much cooler to make a power-sword kind of cutlass for them to use, really.

 

Truth be told I don't think Terminator armour meshes very well with the theme of a pirate anyway. Pirates are opportunistic raiders who move fast and hit hard, taking what they want before anyone more powerfully gunned than they were (most nations navies ships of the era come to mind) could catch them. Being slow and super-heavily armoured just doesn't fit with the pirate image I have in my mind and I think you'd do better without them.

 

You can probably guess my opinion on the pipe-organ too. :lol:

 

After saying what I don't like, I'll tell you what I do like.

 

The chanting is awesome, I actually really like that song and I think military chants of the same camber and feel are just plain awesome and fit very, very well with Imperial and Space Marine themes of warfare (as in, how they interact with and act upon the field of battle). Also the song you chose, while being awesome has - as luck would have it - great lyrics for the sort of adaptation your turning the piece to.

 

I thing an amalgamation of all the ideas would be best. Possibly they are cremated and their ashes are scattered into the ocean? So that they finally become one with the sea?

 

I also like this a lot. It harks back to something in the Ordo Malleus Codex. How the Grey Knights were always returned to be interred in the basalt catacombs on Titan. Seems they would also have similar views on being put into a Dreadnought Sarcophagus.

[Donkey Kong]

Thanks for your comments, guys.

 

Ferrus Manus, did you see The Gorgon and the Fay? If so, what did you think?

 

Now, onto the points I had before.

 

Nothing wrong with this, an interesting idea from a modelling point of view. Not sure if it's legal rules-wise though. Does this master hold a special rank or is his title just Master?

 

No, I don't think it's legal rule wise either. Master was just a title I pulled out of thin air when thinking about it. He's one of the champions who gets to wear a krake helm. I think the tile will be changed, so, suggestions?

 

I thing an amalgamation of all the ideas would be best. Possibly they are cremated and their ashes are scattered into the ocean? So that they finally become one with the sea?

 

That sounds good.

 

This is feasible, many chapters collect trophies from their foes.

 

So, trophy racks isn't over the top chaos? Alright! :D .

 

Interesting, but only really adds to the chapter from a modelling sense.

 

Is interesting good or bad?

 

Ace Debonair

 

On a serious note I like the idea of the honour guard and the use of tridents especially. Very Posiedon. biggrin.gif

 

Indeed.

 

Maybe the land raider with the organ could be a vehicle associated with the Chapter Master, rather than for the whole Chapter? I think too many church organs would be a bit odd. (Also with regard to the film reference you don't get to see anyone else jamming on the organ. laugh.gif )

I'm sure some backstory about it being a lost relic from a fallen imperial world could be arranged. Just have the chapter claim it and tie it to a land raider. biggrin.gif

 

Well, the idea was for a single Land Raider with the organ, so not too many. Being the Chapter Master's personal ride would be pretty cool, do you think it's fitting for him being the one playing? It would fit in well being a relic, and having a little narrative with it would be enjoyable, I think.

 

I also like Ferrus Manus' idea of the cremation/burial at sea. Very striking mental picture.

 

I like it more and more :D .

 

Grey Hunter Ydalir, welcome back, guy.

 

To be honest I don't much like it. It's tacky. Every man and his dog seems to like the Halberds since they became more renowned due to the Grey Knights and more recently the Custodes. A Halberd is a slow, cumbersome weapon that while great for crowd control and ranked-up units is not the most fantastic personal fighting weapon for one-on-one encounters. A marine would not be playing to his strengths if he used a Halberd. Though the Halberds used by the Grey Knights and Custodes are more the size of a poleaxe from what I can tell, rather than a full-length polearm (where a Halberd would be more towards the length of a pike compared to the wielder).

 

Also the trident thing is more 'Poseidon' and less 'pirate'. The trident is a bit of an over the top bit of imagery as well for a sea-world chapter. It's like getting a ship and painting another ship on it's hull instead of a name. You have more than enough references and influences in the chapter already before converting an ancient greek/roman weapon and throwing it into the mix. The trident also takes away from the 'pirate' theme heavily as I said before. When was the last time you saw a pirate with a trident?

 

It would be much cooler to make a power-sword kind of cutlass for them to use, really.

 

But I like tridents ;) /sarcasm + tongue and cheek. It would probably be better to forget about them, I agree. And power sword cutlasses are cool. In fact they're awesome, I seem to have forgotten to put it here, but the idea was for all chainswords and power swords to be like that.

 

Truth be told I don't think Terminator armour meshes very well with the theme of a pirate anyway. Pirates are opportunistic raiders who move fast and hit hard, taking what they want before anyone more powerfully gunned than they were (most nations navies ships of the era come to mind) could catch them. Being slow and super-heavily armoured just doesn't fit with the pirate image I have in my mind and I think you'd do better without them.

 

I disagree with you here. Mostly because Terminator armor is shiny loot. And pirates like shiny loot. Plus, honor guard wear artificer armor, and I never got why super bling (excluding iron halos/ terminator crux) gave power armor more efficiency (not to say super bling isn't awesome). Super bling on terminator armor is super awesome in my book, so having them is more or less characterful and happiness sunshine rainbows awesome.

 

You can probably guess my opinion on the pipe-organ too. laugh.gif

 

It's either that too obvious by half nonsense, or you agree with me in saying that it kicks so much butt that if I were to actually model it and paint it nicely, I would win the game . . . oh snap!

 

The chanting is awesome, I actually really like that song and I think military chants of the same camber and feel are just plain awesome and fit very, very well with Imperial and Space Marine themes of warfare (as in, how they interact with and act upon the field of battle). Also the song you chose, while being awesome has - as luck would have it - great lyrics for the sort of adaptation your turning the piece to.

 

Aye, aye!

 

I also like this a lot. It harks back to something in the Ordo Malleus Codex. How the Grey Knights were always returned to be interred in the basalt catacombs on Titan. Seems they would also have similar views on being put into a Dreadnought Sarcophagus.

 

Hmmm, though having a Dred say "We will never die," just makes me feel so warm and fuzzy inside. Plus, I doubt that any Death Head would disagree with this statement, "I'M TOO BUSY TO DIE!" shame I forget who said that one.

Anyone else have an opinion on that one?

 

Please keep commenting,

 

-KHK

[Telveryon]

Super bling on terminator armor is super awesome in my book, so having them is more or less characterful and happiness sunshine rainbows awesome.

What is super awesome in your book is 99.99% of the time tacky in just about everyone elses'. You should not aim for awesome, but cool.

[Donkey Kong]

I forgot to put /sarcasm after that. Still, I think that Terminator armor is cool. I think most people would agree with that statement. And every "super bling" comment I made is supposed to be sarcastic, my bad for not even hinting at that. ;)

 

Though I thought "happiness sunshine rainbows awesome" would give it away.

 

Am I to assume that you think Terminator honor guard are tacky? Or do you have no opinion?

[Telveryon]

Just a little bit, on one side they're more survivable then your standard Honor Guard but are less mobile. Frankly, I would find terminator Honor Guards a bit too limiting in the sense that a powered armored chapter master would be slowed down by such guard.

[Ferrus Manus]

Ferrus Manus, did you see The Gorgon and the Fay? If so, what did you think?

As a story it is good and different to the usual 'got lost in the warp, emerged as mutants' that I was expecting as soon as I read the words 'Geller Field failed.' So congrats on the originality, my favourite part has to be Narrick's quest for Thussaud's helm any chance you could expand it into a longer short story?

[Lexicanium]But before you put it in the article check for capitals and mis-spells, just a couple I noticed.[/lexicanium] ;)

 

No, I don't think it's legal rule wise either. Master was just a title I pulled out of thin air when thinking about it. He's one of the champions who gets to wear a krake helm. I think the tile will be changed, so, suggestions?

Possibly 'Piratate' from the latin for pirate pirata. It's a bit different to a blatant name such as Commodore or First Mate.

 

Is interesting good or bad?

Let me apologise first, I only focused on the 'organ-on-the-tank' idea, and missed the chanting completely. The chanting is definitely good interesting as pointed out by Grey Hunter Ydalir. Whereas the 'organ-on-the-tank' is probably the opposite, it's too obvious. You may as well as give the chapter a chapter badge of a skull and crossed bones.

[Donkey Kong]

Frankly, I would find terminator Honor Guards a bit too limiting in the sense that a powered armored chapter master would be slowed down by such guard.

 

Death moves at its own pace ;) .

 

Ferrus Manus

 

Glad you liked it. Wanna take a guess at which is which ie: Narrick and Thussaud - one is the Gorgon one is the Fay?

 

Yeah, I'll reread and edit this weekend :blush:

 

Piratate sounds pretty good.

 

The organ is that obvious? ;)

That's unfortunate.

[Ferrus Manus]

Glad you liked it. Wanna take a guess at which is which ie: Narrick and Thussaud - one is the Gorgon one is the Fay?

Narrick: Fay

Thussaud: Gorgon?

 

The organ is that obvious? ;)

That's unfortunate.

Maybe I was a bit over the top with the comparison, the problem is Pirates of the Caribbean. If you've seen it, then it becomes obvious. But then some people like to have a respectful nod to something within their chapter. I guess this could be your nod. If you want it do it, after all it's your chapter, my advice is simply to consider finding something slightly less obvious. (Possibly the heart of a long dead enemy locked deep within the Fortress-Monastery :blush:)

[Donkey Kong]

I think the Dead Man's Chest is ridiculous :blush:

 

"Chapter Master, Chapter Master! Wussat!?"

"I dunno" *opens chest* "It's a heart, har har har!"

"Chapter Master, Chapter Master! How come you got an Ork Heart in a box!?"

"Weeaboo :3"

 

;)

 

There's always the nice little nod. And I'd rather have the pimp organ than green skin organs ;)

 

As for expanding the short story with Narrick and Thussaud. I honestly don't know how I would. It's kind of like the Dark Angels and their Fallen, an ongoing story.

[Grey Hunter Ydalir]

And I'd rather have the pimp organ than green skin organs

 

Well a good alternate could be perhaps rather the key to 'deadmans chest', instead of it being some xenos giblets it could be perhaps to the chapters repository of <[insert something interesting and mysterious here]>. It kind of ties in with the Dark Angels/Fallen comparison in relation to the book of the fallen and the keys carried by whatshisface. I don't like the Dark Angels so bear with me if I get a few details mixed up here and there but I think the gist of what I am saying is there.

I think.

 

In any case despite my dislike for the Dark Angels I think your chapter has a much better take on the 'fallen' bit than the originators of the theme do. It's much more 'real' and much less 'teen-angst' angled than the actual DA themselves. Kudos for that btw.

[commander alexander]

I didnt read through the whole thread, but I have a really cool idea (or at least IMO) on the modelling side. I dont know if its big enough, or if you could do it, but you know that dark elve character from the fantasy range with the kraken helmet? I think his helmet would look really cool on a captain or some other special character. Just a thought. :)

http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo353/caj007/m1820071_99060212086_DELokhirMain_8.jpg

[Donkey Kong]

I'm sorry, GHY, I don't seem to understand what you mean by the key. I'm probably just thick though. Also, I'm glad you like the Second Company.

 

Indeed, CA, indeed :P .

[Ferrus Manus]

I'm sorry, GHY, I don't seem to understand what you mean by the key. I'm probably just thick though. Also, I'm glad you like the Second Company.

 

I think he means the Key from Pirates of the Caribbean, you know the one that unlock Davy Jones' chest.

[Donkey Kong]

I understand the reference, I don't understand the purpose though. Not that thick Ferrus Manus ;) .

[Ferrus Manus]

Ahah, sorry dude, misunderstood you then ;)

[Donkey Kong]

Well, it's been a week, and I've yet to say anything.

 

So, I know I still have to edit the IA. I also know that there are currently problems with the IA. I hate to take this huge step back, but I think it's appropriate.

The gist of the Chapter is clear: Take Pirates from the modern presentation and merge them with Marines with the most major influences coming from Pirates of the Caribbean, and lesser ones coming from Moby Dick, Treasure Island, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, Greek Mythology, and whatever interesting and fitting tidbits I pull out of the air/ my rear.

 

I'm thinking of renaming the homeworld and maybe editing then number of moons.

 

Also, I'm trying to think of other motivations that the Chapter Master would have for going underwater. Following the Emperor's Tarot is all well and good, but rather boring and it doesn't seem special. One half asleep idea I had was maybe he dropped something. I know it would never work, but I thought it was a cute idea to share. "Chapter Master, you dropped your chainsword!" "GAH! I'll get you!" *Denarious swims to the sea floor, finds the helms, finds an underwater canyon, sends down a submarine and finds the mining complex*

 

:D That actually sounds relatively cool. Actually, it sounds very cool, but then again I'm half asleep ;) .

 

 

I still need some help thinking up lines for the war hyme. If anyone wants to help with that, I'd greatly appreciate it.

 

I think with the pirate mentality it would be interesting to see how Apothecaries are treated. New blood is thrown to the wolves, and I'd like to see Chaplains hungry for glory and taking their role simply to stabilize the wounded and taking geneseeds from corpses, not really being bothered by the fact that their battle brother is dead.

 

Or maybe, they're in the thick of it, fighting like their brothers. I like the latter.

 

I still need some help naming Captains. I know its a little thing, but it's a little character I like. Right now I'm imagining something like this:

 

Chapter Master [XXXX] Nemo

First Company Captain Lucil Tobulo

Second Company Captain Strabo Thussaud

Fourth Company Captain Filo Howl

Eleventh Company Captain Astos Narrick

 

Suggestions welcome. Also, if someone could help me organize it into a chart, I'd really, really appreciate it.

[Tyrannicide]

The names 'Nemo' and 'Filo' just don't do it for me. Actually, I hate them. They don't fit as acceptable names for Space Marines in my eyes. <_<

[commander alexander]

Oh common, you could say that Nemo got sucked into the warp or something, then the story to follow could be Finding Nemo. <_< Although I do have to agree, they just dont quite fit, although I do understand you wanting to keep the sea/ocean mythology influence.

[WallEye]

There are plenty more nautical names out there. A quick wikipedia session looking at ancient gods of the sea, classical nautical literature, even looking at the names of the ships used by the Royal Navy (especially during napoleonic times) will give you a ton of names suited to a sea-themed chapter.

[commander alexander]

For some reason the name "Manticore" (spelling?) is popping up out of my mind, dont know why, but it is.... :wallbash:

Hey not to over-run you with modelling ideas KHK, I do have some ones that I think you will like. Just let me no if you do. BTW, youre chapter is really growing on me :D .

[Ferrus Manus]

Please don't use Nemo, reminds me of that Disney film...

[Donkey Kong]

The names 'Nemo' and 'Filo' just don't do it for me. Actually, I hate them. They don't fit as acceptable names for Space Marines in my eyes. dry.gif

 

Filo Howl has been with the Chapter since it's first brainstorming. Nemo, I like Nemo. I also liked Finding Nemo for what it's worth. Besides, the idea for Nemo came from 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, and it gives me a great event location called Dakka Grotto, based on Dakkar Grotto where he died.

 

There are plenty more nautical names out there. A quick wikipedia session looking at ancient gods of the sea, classical nautical literature, even looking at the names of the ships used by the Royal Navy (especially during napoleonic times) will give you a ton of names suited to a sea-themed chapter.

 

Got a source? That sounds interesting.

 

For some reason the name "Manticore" (spelling?) is popping up out of my mind, dont know why, but it is.... huh.gif

Hey not to over-run you with modelling ideas KHK, I do have some ones that I think you will like. Just let me no if you do. BTW, youre chapter is really growing on me biggrin.gif .

 

No clue either. As for modelling, most of my ideas include kit bashing Dark Elf kits. There was that Corsair Marine in the WIP forum that looked really nice, it had a Chaos Biker head, Dark Elf topknots, and all that good stuff. Lay your ideas down, the worst I can do is say "stop" or "no" :)

 

Keep the comments coming. Glad you like them CA.

 

 

EDIT: An idea I have for Nemo is naming him Outis, or even combining the two. Outis Nemo doesn't sound bad. Also anyone who gets the play on words, please tell me if it's good or bad. I rather like it, but then again, it might be off.

 

Still, suggestions are needed on why the Chapter Master would go undersea to find the Krake helms and lyrics to the war hyme.

 

Thanks, KHK

[Donkey Kong]

I think I'll be erasing the bits about connections with the Mechanicus. Basically make it so that they have the standard pact. It gives me leeway with having the Chaplains being the Chapter's watchdogs on the marines, the Techmarines, and especially the Librarians. Plus it makes the Terminator armor that much more valuable. It gives me the ability to have the Chapter as relic collectors, basically anything interesting is brought back and if someone else wants it or two marines find it: hello honor duel :D .

 

I rather like the Librarians being used as tools rather than leaders.

 

As far as Apothecaries go, would it be appropriate to have them be fighting in the thick of it along with the marines. Basically racking up the same honors plus the honor of healing battle brothers.

 

I'm uncertain as to how the marines would view dreadnoughts. On one side we have the "becoming one with the sea" when dead, though the image of shelves upon shelves of urns depicting warriors is very appealing to me now. Basically all marines are cremated rather than cast out to sea. Would being a dreadnought be punishment or a reward "We shall never die" versus "All is ash". Either way they're going be respected, but does anyone else have an opinion.

 

So, Captain name suggestions as well?

 

Also, there's still the issue of why Denarious, the Chapter Master, wanted to go undersea. I have it currently as the Emperor's tarot, which works, and I have the idea of him dropping a relic of sorts. The first is all well and good, but lacks flavor. The latter is, in my mind cute tongue and cheek, but also gives the mentality of going so far to get what you want, and hell if you find something interesting along the way, take that too!

 

The latter is in my post prior to the one above this.

 

Keep commenting, I'm glad the Death Heads have finally struck a cord.

 

KHK

 

EDIT: I forgot to ask, does anyone have any name suggestions for the homeworld?