Codex Grey Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 Well, as I said, I haven't had anything to say because it all seems good to me. The few things I've disagreed with have been covered by the others. The tainted looks good, and I think it could work as a 'bonus section'. You have the IA with all the standard sections, then after the war cry section you sneak this one in, like 'hey that's my article, but there's more if you interested.' I'm curious about the Campaign. How exactly will it work is a story or something else? And where in the Galaxy is Gehenna? And just to be somewhat useful: Red, however, is belied to be lucky Missing a v And btw, if they keep the librarian armor blue due to tradition, maybe this one smart ass librarian wears a full body red robe over his armor? Silly, I know :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176561-death-heads-v50/page/4/#findComment-2136677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Kong Posted October 4, 2009 Author Share Posted October 4, 2009 (edited) Gehenna is a separate story involving the Chapter. The world is located in Segmentum Ultima, bordering on Segmentum Solar, further north from Hive Fleet Leviathan: http://www.joachim-adomeit.de/wh40k/spacemap/map.html And btw, if they keep the librarian armor blue due to tradition, maybe this one smart ass librarian wears a full body red robe over his armor? Hilarious :lol: ! thanks for pointing out the typo. Edited October 4, 2009 by KingHongKong Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176561-death-heads-v50/page/4/#findComment-2136690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codex Grey Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 The world is located in Segmentum Ultima, bordering on Segmentum Solar, further north from Hive Fleet Leviathan Hmm, that's about right between both my Chapter's locations, too far away for any of them to participate. Is it closer to Prospero and Catachan, or Mid Calveus and Thranx? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176561-death-heads-v50/page/4/#findComment-2136712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Kong Posted October 4, 2009 Author Share Posted October 4, 2009 Probably closer to Mid Calveus, but this can always be edited if you would like to have a Chapter participate :lol: . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176561-death-heads-v50/page/4/#findComment-2136716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codex Grey Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 Well if it were closer to Catachan, the Warriors would be happy to help. I don't want to be all Ultramarine-like, participating in battles all over the galaxy, far away from Macragge. And when in the timeline is this happening? I'm considering writing up a timeline for the entire history of the warriors, so it would be cool to add this campaign to it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176561-death-heads-v50/page/4/#findComment-2136733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Kong Posted October 4, 2009 Author Share Posted October 4, 2009 Date: ????-???? :lol: I'm really terrible with 40k's dates. I get so lost with the M and then the numbers just get me confused. I know it's terrible, but I honestly don't know. So, just to ask because I have some degree of paranoia with basically everything I write, how's the introduction to the Campaign? Last post of page 3. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176561-death-heads-v50/page/4/#findComment-2136738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 I'm assuming you want the campaign to take place in M41 (current millennium) from there just write in which year you want it in, e.g 567.M41. That's basically W40k dates for you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176561-death-heads-v50/page/4/#findComment-2136747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Kong Posted October 4, 2009 Author Share Posted October 4, 2009 Well, it has to take place a little before modern time because of Thussaud's fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176561-death-heads-v50/page/4/#findComment-2136760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 Well it would have to be during M41 otherwise chances are Narrick would have died from age. I'd probably suggest sometime around 700.M41. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176561-death-heads-v50/page/4/#findComment-2136763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Kong Posted October 4, 2009 Author Share Posted October 4, 2009 So I'd say it'd be around 2:471:113:M41 - 2:339:125:M41 Yes, 11 years. So, this can allow for a bit more leniency with Chapter coming at latter dates during the invasion, occupation and execution. No comment on the introduction? KHK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176561-death-heads-v50/page/4/#findComment-2137174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codex Grey Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 (edited) 11 years? for one world? I don't know, that seems a bit too much IMO. Others may disagree but that's my initial thought. As for the intro, it looks good to me. Edited October 4, 2009 by Codex Grey Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176561-death-heads-v50/page/4/#findComment-2137213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Kong Posted October 5, 2009 Author Share Posted October 5, 2009 With a huge portion of the populace under arms, I'd expect so. Especially with aid from the Eldar, a home field advantage, a worldwide effort against the Imperium and I have to edit the introduction a bit to fix how many Astartes Chapters are there from the beginning. Badab (even thought it was mostly a marine on marine war) took the combined effort of thirteen Chapters to fight four traitor Chapters and PDF elements. Besides, I'd expect the marines to be switched out every now and again. Right now I think I have something like: The Death Heads: First Company Elements + Second Company + Fourth Company + idk Possibly The Infinity Knights (whatever Ace Debonair chooses to dedicate) The Warriors Eternal (whatever Codex Grey chooses to dedicate) The Arctic Lions (whatever Ferrus Manus chooses to dedicate) Guard Regiments (I thought it would be interesting to have some of the Gehennan regiments being called back to fight) Sisters of Battle Since it's a manufacturing world, it's moderately important to take intact. And, since the Gehennan populace no longer follows the Adeptus Mechanicus, they may produce more alien weaponry (nothing really demonic but something a bit more out there like bigger tanks or modified designs). The world is one that I'd expect mostly cities, all still affected by normal weather conditions like here on Earth. Colder poles and a more tropical equator. Actual topography is still up for debate but any suggestions would be welcome. Volunteers for killing Chancellor Gior Ferze :) ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176561-death-heads-v50/page/4/#findComment-2137403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 That seems to be within the range of the Vulture Legion. If you want, you can have 3rd Company, for a little while. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176561-death-heads-v50/page/4/#findComment-2137452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Hunter Ydalir Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 11 years? for one world? I don't know, that seems a bit too much IMO Depends how large the campaign is, the forces involved and the defenses arrayed against them. In the Imperium Wars grind on and on and on, though the Imperial Guard are more likely to take so long to destroy their foe. I'd say it would have to take so long if the Marines couldn't achieve overall supremacy over the warzone due to overwhelming enemy presence and inadiquate Imperial Forces on station. Basically that means that they would have to stick to fighting where they could, picking apart the larger enemy while exposing themselves as little as possible. I don't mean overwhelming in just numbers, I mean in equipment, vehicles, technological advantages etc. It would be hard to aquire such an advantage over an Astartes chapter on a native-Imperial world though. A Tau world for example would be a different story. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176561-death-heads-v50/page/4/#findComment-2137486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Kong Posted October 5, 2009 Author Share Posted October 5, 2009 Thanks for the offer, Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll, but no thanks, four Chapters is plenty for the Campaign. GHY, given the circumstances, do you think that is is too long a period? 36 regiments of Imperial Guard and armor Sisters of Battle Naval elements Elements from Four Marine Chapters against Gehenna PDF + conscripts Eldar (craftworld idk) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176561-death-heads-v50/page/4/#findComment-2137517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 But when you say PDF I'd suggest you make it a planetary uprising. Even 4 Chapters would find a possible 100 billion enemies hard to defeat. Not sure which companies to dedicate yet. I'll get back to you on that one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176561-death-heads-v50/page/4/#findComment-2137708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codex Grey Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 The Warriors will send Strike Force Iron Storm, Including 80% of the First Company, supported by squads from the Eighth Company. They will be lead by First Company Captain Akim Aleksei himself. Aleksei is determined to bring Gehenna to its knees. Depending on when they join the Campaign, more elements will be attached to the Battle Force. Because the Warriors don't like leaving until their mission is complete, so when they join, they will stay until the end. Oh, and if no one else wants to, I'll be happy to kill Chancellor Gior Ferze ;) I would have thought seeing that this is your campaign, that you would give the Death Heads this honor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176561-death-heads-v50/page/4/#findComment-2137886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I think the Lions would send in a force consisting of: - 3rd Company - Elements of the 1st and 10th Not sure who would be leading the 3rd at this time. Which year is this taking place in? Sorry, but your date format has thrown me. I've never seen them written like that. I'm guessing 113.M41, I may be wrong. And to second Grey, considering it's your campaign I'd have thought the honour would go to your marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176561-death-heads-v50/page/4/#findComment-2138314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Hunter Ydalir Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 (edited) GHY, given the circumstances, do you think that is is too long a period? 36 regiments of Imperial Guard and armorSisters of Battle Naval elements Elements from Four Marine Chapters against Gehenna PDF + conscripts Eldar (craftworld idk) Frankly I think the hammer of Imperial Might is quite overwhelming in this case. The Eldar would likely cut their losses early against such a force, working only to conserve whatever artifacts are on Gehenna, being one of the extremely sparse reasons that the Eldar would put themselves in harms way, especially against a full blown Imperial Campaign. Yes a Craftworld can boast incredible firepower and manpower, a single chapter of marines (the Invaders) obliterated a craftworld in the most recent marine Codex, albeit with horrific casualties, though that's to be expected against the Eldar on their home turf. If it was, perhaps, a small ring of worlds that seceded together under the Chancellor if that makes things easier. Elements from 4 chapters would likely amount to roughly a full chapter in the warzone and there are few enemies that can withstand an entire chapter being deployed at the same time. Also it's not about the sheer number of the enemy forces, Marines aren't about the hard-slog. Marines are there to take out the high-priority targets only accessible to them. Examples in my mind would be all enemy infrastructure of any kind. This includes Command Centers, orbital defenses, hardened defense networks, Fuel and Ammunition dumps, airfields, heavy weapons or batteries and any defensive hardpoints of any kind. You use your Astartes to destroy these key points to allow you to direct the war without having to fight every single soldier the enemy has arrayed against you. That said, not all chapters operate that way so you'd have to use a bit of guesswork to juggle what targets and types of operations the differing chapters would go for. Warfare isn't simple, that's for sure. Again though, against such a huge force a single world wouldn't hold out for long I'd wager. *Edit* What reasons do the Eldar have for baiting the Imperium into reclaiming their own world, other than the typical 'Eldar are enigmatic' excuse? Edited October 5, 2009 by Grey Hunter Ydalir Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176561-death-heads-v50/page/4/#findComment-2138369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codex Grey Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 2:471:113:M41 - 2:339:125:M41 Which year is this taking place in? Sorry, but your date format has thrown me. I've never seen them written like that. I'm guessing 113.M41, I may be wrong. Yeah, that confused me too, but i guessed 113.M41 as well. I hope we're both wrong though, because i was hoping that it was a bit more recent, so I could use Aleksei in current fluff as the newly promoted Chapter Master. Plus, if that date is correct, then that would make Narrick well over 800 hundred years old. I would suggest something like Ferrus first suggested, something around 600-700.M41. And so there are no misunderstandings, that would be from year 40 600 to 40 700. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176561-death-heads-v50/page/4/#findComment-2138644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Kong Posted October 5, 2009 Author Share Posted October 5, 2009 Plus, if that date is correct, then that would make Narrick well over 800 hundred years old. :P Thank you, both. So, yes 703.M41 sounds good as a starting date. The Warriors will send Strike Force Iron Storm, Including 80% of the First Company, supported by squads from the Eighth Company. They will be lead by First Company Captain Akim Aleksei himself. Aleksei is determined to bring Gehenna to its knees. - 3rd Company- Elements of the 1st and 10th That's two Chapters contributions, the Infinity Knights may not show up, oh well. More for us. I would have thought seeing that this is your campaign, that you would give the Death Heads this honor. Pah, Ferze is a figure head, a joke. The Death Heads will be concerning themselves with Eldar hunting, thank ye very much ;) . I kid with the former bit, but the Death Heads will take the responsibility of knocking out some of the higher Farseers. a small ring of worlds that seceded together under the Chancellor This sounds good. Would it work if say, Gehenna was a gas giant and the various worlds were about Earth sized worlds that are its moons? What reasons do the Eldar have for baiting the Imperium into reclaiming their own world, other than the typical 'Eldar are enigmatic' excuse I have several ideas for right now, but they all basically boil down to that cryptic nature. The Eldar could have had artifacts on Gehenna or some of its moons if we go with that idea. They fail to take the world so long ago and when they see the world rebelling, they see an opportunity to take back those relics. Gehenna is also relatively close to the path of Hive Fleet Leviathan and the Maelstrom, so if anything happens there, they can bulk the defense or organize an attack at Gehenna. In the end, I just want to bash space elf heads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176561-death-heads-v50/page/4/#findComment-2138683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 703.M41? In which case Arnkel was captain. If you need any extra notes on the Third at this time let me know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176561-death-heads-v50/page/4/#findComment-2138712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Kong Posted October 5, 2009 Author Share Posted October 5, 2009 (edited) Add any notes you would feel are relevant. How does everyone feel about the gas giant idea? I know it's my campaign (as you've said), but I feel it's more of a joint effort ;) . Also, for the main idea of writing I had the scribe character, unfortunately, if it goes on multiple "worlds" or moons then it would require a few more, anyone interested in making a name? Maybe even writing a small story. So, it would begin with the Guard invasion. Timeline wise: 471.703.M41: Imperial Guard and Sister forces move to retake Gehenna. 002.705.M41: The Death Heads and Warriors Eternal join to support the Imperial Forces. - - -.706.M41: The Arctic Lions join the Campaign. 011.707.M41: The Warriors Eternal assault Gehenna Primary's planetary capital and execute Chancellor Ferze. . . . 399.714.M41: The Campaign ends. this is all just being pulled out of my behind, so, comment for now and we'll work it out ;) . Edited October 5, 2009 by KingHongKong Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176561-death-heads-v50/page/4/#findComment-2138747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I wouldn't mind helping out with writing. Timeline looks ok, could be more detailed :P but it's ok. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176561-death-heads-v50/page/4/#findComment-2138764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codex Grey Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I suck at story writing, so no help from me there. What happens between 707 and 714? What kind of battles would be going on then? How long will the Eldar stay put without their human allies? Just something to think about. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/176561-death-heads-v50/page/4/#findComment-2138833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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