Perditia

[Donkey Kong]

Alright, well, because I'm indecisive, and because the numbers are just starting to become random, I will fall back on two old friends some of us may know, for those of us unfamiliar with Pen and Paper RPGs, and other games requiring them, let me introduce you to my D4s.

 

They're green and white, for those of you wondering (meaning that he is wearing my school colors and using basic understanding of symbolism represent: wealth, life, nature, healing, regrowth, rebirth, hope, disease, evil, greed, envy and jealousy)

 

No hive world will have more than 8 hives, nor less than two. These are for the normal ones, big 4 will be decided using two D6 (white and black for the curious). The ACN will be decided using two D20s, (faithful black and white, and faithless green and gold who has failed me on a number of occasions) and a D10 (green and white) I will take the sum of the D20s, subtract the D10 and work the population based out on that number of effective "hive equivalent sectors".

 

9 normal hive worlds:

6 hives (6 x 40,000,000 = 240,000,000)

4 hives (4 x 40,000,000 =160,000,000)

6 hives (6 x 40,000,000 = 240,000,000)

4 hives (4 x 40,000,000 =160,000,000)

5 hives (5 x 40,000,000 = 200,000,000)

2 hives (2 x 40,000,000 = 80,000,000)

3 hives (3 x 40,000,000 = 120,000,000)

6 hives (6 x 40,000,000 = 240,000,000)

5 hives (5 x 40,000,000 = 200,000,000)

 

Sum: 1,640,000,000 people

 

4 Major Hives (I refuse to take a number under 6)

8 (8 x 40,000,000 = 320,000,000)

12 (12 x 40,000,000 = 480,000,000)

6 (6 x 40,000,000 = 240,000,000)

7 (7 x 40,000,000 = 280,000,000)

 

Sum: 1,320,000,000 people

 

Now, the ACN

Faithful Black D20: 19

Faithless Green D20: 13

Green D10: 6

32 - 6 = 26

26 x 40,000,000 = 1,040,000,000 people

 

so:

3,613,500,000

1,640,000,000

1,320,000,000

1,040,000,000

 

Sum = 7,613,500,000 people

As opposed to the previous 1,154,436,520,000

 

Ok, so now that we have our number:

7,613,500,000

we can find percentages:

Since I've been using Vervunhive as an example, during peace time the hive had 1.25% of its population under arms

1.25% of the population would mean 95,168,750 soldiers during the Gehenna Uprising were enlisted before the Uprising and are professional soldiers, not conscripts or crisis time enlistees

3.97% of the population under arms during WW2, this means 302,255,950 soldiers were under arms during the Gehenna Uprising

 

Now, let's factor in the loyalists: assume .5% of the population is loyalist

38,067,500 loyalist guerrillas fight against Ferze's regime

 

With all things said and done:

7,613,500,000 - 302,255,950 - 38,067,500 = 7,273,176,550 civilians purged during the Campaign

This still means that 43 regiments is too few (215,000 soldiers cannot combat 302,255,950, especially when they're supposed to steamroll them)

500,000,000 Guardsmen would equal 100,000 regiments, and that sounds like a fair number. So, there are 100,000 regiments of Imperial Guard (Infantry, Heavy Infantry and Armored) and Skitarii (Heavy Infantry and Armored) sent to Gehenna, in addition to Titan Engines, Imperial Navy ships and planes, and almost a Chapter's worth of Astartes

 

THE MATHS, THE MATHS ARE DONE!

 

Small correction on the name list: Ranaan is(was) a colonel of the Yisa regiment fighting for Ferze.

 

Correction has been made

 

2-3 Warlords, 4-5 Reavers, 4 Pairs of Warhounds.

 

So, should I just pick names from the list that I like :lol: ?

 

So, now that nightmare is over, onto the fun bits: story, organization, playing a bit with the Imperial Navy force, and writing Guardsmen logs.

 

Also, for when we're writing stories, I was wondering how the rest of you felt about this, just in case you missed it:

 

I was talking more of a mock Imperial Armour format, where the campaign is divided into chapters or sections. I also intended to say this, the format with that is usually from the third person with very little, basically no, dialogue.

 

However, I wanted it to be more like a folder in addition to what appears to be a bird's eye view, with Michael writing in little blurbs from different guardsmen, their journals and recordings, etc. This does make my initial suggestion of a single guardsman void, however, it allows for us to have multiple points of view [Gehennans (possibly even the journals of those executed for sympathy), Gagothans, Mechanicus (angry about destroying their resources, or lack of resources due to the traitorous uprising), Imperial Navy Officers, Space Marines (if Michael was so bold), Loyalists on the Gehenna worlds (Arbites, PDF, etc.), so on and so forth].

 

Specific duels or battles can have their own sections inside the Campaign.

[Ferrus Manus]

So, should I just pick names from the list that I like ?

Yep.

[DarkKnightCuron]

Also, for when we're writing stories, I was wondering how the rest of you felt about this, just in case you missed it:

 

I was talking more of a mock Imperial Armour format, where the campaign is divided into chapters or sections. I also intended to say this, the format with that is usually from the third person with very little, basically no, dialogue.

 

However, I wanted it to be more like a folder in addition to what appears to be a bird's eye view, with Michael writing in little blurbs from different guardsmen, their journals and recordings, etc. This does make my initial suggestion of a single guardsman void, however, it allows for us to have multiple points of view [Gehennans (possibly even the journals of those executed for sympathy), Gagothans, Mechanicus (angry about destroying their resources, or lack of resources due to the traitorous uprising), Imperial Navy Officers, Space Marines (if Michael was so bold), Loyalists on the Gehenna worlds (Arbites, PDF, etc.), so on and so forth].

 

Specific duels or battles can have their own sections inside the Campaign.

 

Look's cool to me! A little bit of everything can ensure that virtually any reader will have something interesting occupying their attention.

 

As for the math of regiments, are you sure there are not supposed to be more men/women in regiments than that? 5000 bodies? Perhaps when you put it into perspective it seems fine...I might be wrong here.

[Captain Juan Juarez]

With regsrds to Regiments, look at at least one that is considered understrength that we know about: The Tanith First.

 

Recorded as having around two thousand on their roll, IIRC, after Vervunhive.

 

So if you take that 2k as understrength for a veteran unit the, depending on the experience levels - I assume the Guard forces will have a suitbale veteran composition - around 4/6k would be acceptable for an Infantry force.

 

obviously, an Armoured Regiment consisting of tanks may have a combat strength of only a hundred or so, but you get the idea.

[Donkey Kong]

As for the math of regiments, are you sure there are not supposed to be more men/women in regiments than that? 5000 bodies? Perhaps when you put it into perspective it seems fine...I might be wrong here.

 

So if you take that 2k as understrength for a veteran unit the, depending on the experience levels - I assume the Guard forces will have a suitbale veteran composition - around 4/6k would be acceptable for an Infantry force.

 

obviously, an Armoured Regiment consisting of tanks may have a combat strength of only a hundred or so, but you get the idea.

 

A regiment has 3000 - 5000 warm bodies, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regiment for source

 

500,000,000 bodies refers to everyone on the ground (infantry, heavy infantry, armor). Air support comes with the Imperial Navy.

 

So,

A: Veteran Regiments: 2,500 men

B: Infantry Regiments: 5,000 men

C: Heavy Infantry Regiments: 5,000 men

D: Armored/ Artillery Regiments: 4,000 men

 

Here's some more math

B > A, B > C, B > D, C > D, D > A, A > 0, B > 0, C > 0, D > 0, X > 0, Y > 0, Z > 0, E > 0, X < 200,000, Y < 100,000, Z < 100,000, E < 125,000

 

Now, just for some randomness, let's do a ratio, for every 5 infantry regiments, there is 1 armored/ artillery regiment (5 A, B, or C : 1 D)

 

So, Infantry is most numerous, followed by Heavy Infantry, Armor and Veterans are the least numerous

X (2,500) + Y (5,000) + Z (5,000) + E (4,000) = 500,000,000

 

Alright, I'm not going to bore you with stupid amounts of math, but I have regiment sizes:

Veteran: 24,793 regiments

Infantry: 41,324 regiments

Heavy Infantry: 33,057 regiments

Armor/ Artillery: 16,529 regiments (2:1 ratio = 11,019 armored regiments and 5,510 artillery regiments)

 

Albeit the total for all this considering equals 115,703 regiments and 500,003,500 warm bodies.

 

Divide them into 4 roughly equal parts:

6,198.25 veteran regiments

10,331 infantry regiments

8,246.25 heavy infantry regiments

2754.75 armored regiments

1377.5 artillery regiments

 

Oh joy, fractional real world numbers!

So,

Veterans: 6198 regiments, 6198 regiments, 6198 regiments, 6199 regiments

Infantry: 10,331 regiments, 10,331 regiments, 10,331 regiments, 10,331 regiments

Heavy Infantry: 8,246 regiments, 8,246 regiments, 8,246 regiments, 8,247 regiments

Armored: 2754 regiments, 2755 regiments, 2755 regiments, 2755 regiments

Artillery: 1377 regiments, 1377 regiments, 1378 regiments, 1378 regiments

 

I'll probably do the dice thing to decide who goes to which invasion force. But hopefully I've quelled the math for now. Also, like I said before, the fleet needs a boost.

 

EDIT:

 

Yep.

 

Alrighty, then:

 

- 2-3 Warlords

- 4-5 Reavers

- 4 Pairs of Warhounds.

 

Warlords:

Ferrum Victoris

Deus Irae

Glorium Eternia

 

Reavers:

Supplicant of War

Vox Non Incerta

Emperor’s Wrath

Unrelenting Fury

The Detestation

 

Warhounds

Custodium Eternia

Carnivorum

Oblivion Bringer

Vigilance

Righteous Hate

Iron Hound

Hell Breaker

Star Child

[Captain Juan Juarez]

Don't do math.. It hurts my head.. Which is odd 'cause my last job involved 30k everyday ;)

 

I know you can reference real life for force numbers, but i try not to with 40k.. There the path of madness lies!

 

 

You need to flesh out the fleet then?

[Donkey Kong]

Don't do math.. It hurts my head.. Which is odd 'cause my last job involved 30k everyday

 

It's only basic addition and multiplication :lol: !

 

I know you can reference real life for force numbers, but i try not to with 40k.. There the path of madness lies!

 

Perhaps, but I like to think for all that 40k does to stick it's head in the clouds, it's beanstalk is firmly planted in the real world.

 

You need to flesh out the fleet then?

 

Indeed, currently the Invasion Force is made up of:

 

Imperial Fleet:

1x Imperial Emperor Class Battleship

6x Vengeance Class Grand Cruiser

4x Cruiser

11x Light Cruiser

57x Destroyer; Frigate; Escort; Transport

1x Adeptus Mechanicus Battleship

5x Adeptus Mechanicus Light Cruiser

3x Adeptus Mechanicus Cruiser

 

However, I doubt this is enough to even transport all the soldiers.

[Captain Juan Juarez]

Imperial Fleet:

1x Imperial Emperor Class Battleship

6x Vengeance Class Grand Cruiser

4x Cruiser

11x Light Cruiser

57x Destroyer; Frigate; Escort; Transport

1x Adeptus Mechanicus Battleship

5x Adeptus Mechanicus Light Cruiser

3x Adeptus Mechanicus Cruiser

 

However, I doubt this is enough to even transport all the soldiers.

 

The AdMech fleet points to a connection i can't recall at this moment, so I will suppose the following: When GG and other IG regiments liberated a Forgeworld, the AdMech then allowed some regiments to be transported on a mass conveyance device normally reserved for transport tank regiments and the like.

 

Considered that for a few regiments? There were at least four or five along with GG on the one I mentioned.

 

The thing you need to think about is that generally speaking, troops would not be transported on ships of the line - or capital ships - and thus you would need alot of troop transports.

 

Have you researched the types of cruiser you have chosen? Becuase you could get away with a larger number of older vessel types for a fleet this size, showing certain admirals unwilling to part with their best.

[Donkey Kong]

I actually have to credit Grey Hunter Ydalir with creating the Fleet.

I do like the idea of old bulk transports being used.

 

Before I start distributing Moons and Regiments, I would like to make a point concerning the 4 moon groups:

Raztur: 10 moons (First Invasion Group, First Army)

Tazad: 15 moons (Second Invasion Group, Second Army)

Zhu: 12 moons (Fourth Invasion Group, Fourth Army)

Iber: 11 moons (Third Invasion Group, Third Army)

 

Tazad needs the most attention, and its invasion force will be headed by Lord General Adar Voli.

The Zhu invasion will be headed by Admiral Mae Adriel.

Raztur and Iber will be organized by trusted Lieutenants.

 

The Astartes will commit forces to all four invasion groups. All four invasion groups will participate in the assault on the ACN. All four invasion groups will participate in the assault on the hidden moon.

 

Now the Moons themselves:

3 modern moons (population 1,200,000,000)

27 agricultural moons (population 500,000)

9 Hive Worlds

Population:

6 hives (6 x 40,000,000 = 240,000,000)

4 hives (4 x 40,000,000 =160,000,000)

6 hives (6 x 40,000,000 = 240,000,000)

4 hives (4 x 40,000,000 =160,000,000)

5 hives (5 x 40,000,000 = 200,000,000)

2 hives (2 x 40,000,000 = 80,000,000)

3 hives (3 x 40,000,000 = 120,000,000)

6 hives (6 x 40,000,000 = 240,000,000)

5 hives (5 x 40,000,000 = 200,000,000)

4 Capital Hives

Population:

8 (8 x 40,000,000 = 320,000,000)

12 (12 x 40,000,000 = 480,000,000)

6 (6 x 40,000,000 = 240,000,000)

7 (7 x 40,000,000 = 280,000,000)

 

So:

Tazad:

Capital Moon: 12 hives

Hive Moons: (3) 3 hives, 4 hives, 6 hives

Agricultural Moons: 10

 

Zhu:

Capital Moon: 7 hives

Hive Moons: (3) 5 hives, 5 hives, 6 hives

Agricultural Moons: 8

 

Iber:

Capital Moon: 8 hives

Hive Moons: (2) 4 hives, 6 hives

Agricultural Moons: 4

Modern Moons: 2

 

Raztur:

Capital Moon: 6 hives

Hive Moons: (2) 2 hives, 4 hives

Agricultural Moons: 5

Modern Moons: 1

[Captain Juan Juarez]

See, it depends on what units are going where how the fleet will be organised.

 

Say that a standard troop transporter - unarmed and virtually unarmoured - can carry 2 or 3 Regiments (Infantry), then how many are needed for each target?

[Ferrus Manus]

Glad you chose the Carnivorum, KHK, somewhere I have a description of its Princeps if you want it.

 

Veteran: 24,793 regiments

Infantry: 41,324 regiments

Heavy Infantry: 33,057 regiments

Armor/ Artillery: 16,529 regiments

Best get naming then hadn't we? :yes: In all seriousness though, a Gehennan Role of Honour would be great for the final booklet. Also, I'm going to reread some of the major battles from the GG series and do some number of my own, and see if I can reduce the numbers a bit.

 

Also, shouldn't the Astartes ships be included in the Fleet roster?

[Captain Juan Juarez]

Veteran: 24,793 regiments

Infantry: 41,324 regiments

Heavy Infantry: 33,057 regiments

Armor/ Artillery: 16,529 regiments

Best get naming then hadn't we? :yes: In all seriousness though, a Gehennan Role of Honour would be great for the final booklet. Also, I'm going to reread some of the major battles from the GG serious and do some number of my own, and see if I can reduce the numbers a bit.

 

I have some off-world Regiment names I can suggest, of my own creation of course.

 

Also, shouldn't the Astartes ships be included in the Fleet roster?

 

Technically there should be a seperate fleet entry for the Astartes, as they are more likely to work with eachother than the Guard/Navy (RE: Cadian Blood).

[Marshal Rohr]

This thread looks like a departmento munitorum worksheet.

[Donkey Kong]

and see if I can reduce the numbers a bit.

 

But, but I just cut down the number from 1,200,000 regiments to 115,703 regiments *cries* Please, no more math, I beg you :tu: !

 

I have some off-world Regiment names I can suggest, of my own creation of course.

 

Sure.

 

Also, Ferrus, I agree with CJJ, the Astartes fleet should be separate from the Imperial Navy one.

 

EDIT:

 

This thread looks like a departmento munitorum worksheet.

 

Is that a good thing :D ?

[Captain Juan Juarez]

Batavian Regiments.

 

Background:

 

Batavia is a world in the style of honoured Cadia, but features a rapidly increasing population with next to no food growth capabilities on it's 97% industrialised surface.

Batavian Regiments are not trained quite to the standard of the Cadians, but feature the diverse types of regiment not found on many worlds.

 

Notable Regiments:

 

Batavian 1st and Second Infantry [basic line Guard]

Batavian 3rd, 6th and 8th Heavy Infantry [stormtrooper-esque]

Batavian 9th and 21st Tank Regiment [9th is mixed Russ varients, 21st Baneblade varients]

Batavian 7th Infantry 'the Pathfinders' [recon/drop infantry and my favourite to write about!]

 

Just a few to choose from; I have no idea where Batavia is galactically but I'd love to have the 7th feature!

 

Fleetwise, again, have any of you taken a look at the BFG PDFs?

[DarkKnightCuron]

If the Batavians have more than one or two regiments present, they are likely part of the same sub-sector. If I recall correctly, the Munitorium would likely assign regiments closest to the indicated war zone, so we'd also see guard regiments from other systems in the sub-sector, and probably the one next to it. As chance would have it, there would also probably be a few oddball ones that were just passing through, only to get a message saying "HEY GO HERE", but I think you're trying to stay away from any big-names in this particular project (Armageddon, Cadian, Harakoni, Elysian, Catachan, Etc, as examples of some of the bigger names out there).

 

Sorry to throw another wrench in the works, but you might also come across a few Conscript regiments as well as Penal Legions as well in this particular war, though Conscripts would be more widely seen as defensive forces, rather than offensive.

[Ferrus Manus]

Fleetwise, again, have any of you taken a look at the BFG PDFs?

Yep, which bit you thinking of?

[Captain Juan Juarez]

DKC, like I said I have no idea of a galactic location for Batavia so it could be next door, but the listed regiments are ones that I have featured in passing in some old "fan" fiction but with particular emphasis on the Seventh.

[DarkKnightCuron]

DKC, like I said I have no idea of a galactic location for Batavia so it could be next door, but the listed regiments are ones that I have featured in passing in some old "fan" fiction but with particular emphasis on the Seventh.

 

It'd still be perfectly acceptable for them to show up. Considering the vastness of the rebellion, the assaulting forces would need a lot of intelligence and preparation beforehand; An entire regiment geared towards reconnaissance and intelligence would be absolutely ideal in this war.

[Captain Juan Juarez]

Fleetwise, again, have any of you taken a look at the BFG PDFs?

Yep, which bit you thinking of?

 

Just look for anything that lists as out of date, or has been replaced, and you can bulk up the fleet with that vessel type.

 

The units assigned to Gehenna - in terms of IG - may be a drop in the ocean, but locally they would be overwhelming force and be protected at least adequately.

[Donkey Kong]

Batavian Regiments

 

I'll keep them in mind.

 

there would also probably be a few oddball ones that were just passing through, only to get a message saying "HEY GO HERE"

 

I was always under the Impression that Imperial Guard were transported in groups and with a purpose. Even Necropolis had Gaunt's Ghosts with several other Regiments en route to the larger Crusade spearhead.

 

but you might also come across a few Conscript regiments as well as Penal Legions as well in this particular war, though Conscripts would be more widely seen as defensive forces, rather than offensive.

 

The defenders are a combination of pre-enlisted PDF, Catastrophe enlistees and perhaps some conscripts.

The Gehenna Guardsmen are almost like Penal Legionnaires, for all the scrutiny they're subject to now their home has gone rogue.

 

Considering the vastness of the rebellion, the assaulting forces would need a lot of intelligence and preparation beforehand; An entire regiment geared towards reconnaissance and intelligence would be absolutely ideal in this war.

 

There is a reason for the Ordo Xenos getting involved, you know ^_^ ! The Invasion itself is more concerned with purging the cluster.

 

Just look for anything that lists as out of date, or has been replaced, and you can bulk up the fleet with that vessel type.

 

The units assigned to Gehenna - in terms of IG - may be a drop in the ocean, but locally they would be overwhelming force and be protected at least adequately.

 

You're absolutely right and I'll be sure to give it a look see.

 

The Astartes fleet isn't that large, for those wondering:

 

Battle Barge

Death Heads: Nausicaa

 

Strike Cruiser

Arctic Lions: Hammer of Rycius

Death Heads: Reverence

Warriors Eternal: Virtus

Infinity Knights: Eternium

Infinity Knights: Everwing

 

EDIT:

 

As a note, I am human and I do like to admit to my mistakes instead of having them pointed out to me:

1. I am fully aware that I stated that the Veterans would be the least numerous regiment, even though the Armored Regiments hold that slot, and for that I apologize.

 

2. I know that it is inconsistent to say that the Hive World is less populous than the civilized one, but the math follows that mentality, again, I apologize, I guess moons aren't the best locations for giant spire cities, so they had to cut back.

 

And why hasn't anyone commented on the dice that made the whole Hive World mess possible :D ?!

[Brother Argent]

I can throw in a few regiments if your interested. I've been kinda following this project with almost fanatical devotion and would love to help in any way I can.

[Ferrus Manus]

Battle Barge

Death Heads: Nausicaa

 

Strike Cruiser

Arctic Lions: Hammer of Rycius

Death Heads: Reverence

Warriors Eternal: Virtus

Infinity Knights: Eternium

Infinity Knights: Everwing

 

To be honest, I think this should be a bigger list. No ship, no matter how powerful goes alone. They would be accompanied by a few Hunter/Gladius/Nova class ships at a minimum. We might want to think about that. I mean there no significant, they just add to the background.

[Captain Juan Juarez]

Imperial Navy Fleet:

 

Emperor Class Battleship

2 x Avenger Grand Cruiser

5 x Lunar Class Cruiser

1 x Tyrant Class Crusier

4 x Gothic Class Crusier

 

4 x Endeavour Light Cruiser

3 x Endurance Light Cruiser

 

12 x Firestorm Frigate Squadron

12 x Sword Frigate Squadron

13 x Cobra Destroyer Squadron

 

 

Adeptus Astartes Fleet:

 

Death Heads:

Battlebarge Nausicaa

Strike CruiserReverence

3 x Gladius-Class Frigates

1 x Nova Frigate

 

Arctic Lions:

Strike Cruiser Hammer of Rycius

2 x Gladius-Class Frigate

 

Warriors Eternal:

Strike Cruiser Virtus

1 x Gladius-Class Frigate

1 x Nova-Class Frigate

 

Infinity Knights:

Strike Cruiser Eternium

Strike Cruiser Everwing

2 x Nova-Class Frigate

 

 

Something like that for the fleet?

[Marshal Rohr]

In my similar project I am detailing the OOB for each army group and using several different methods. The one I prefer is the old WW2 Corps and theatre OOB.