Perditia

[Codex Grey]

@Captain Juan Juarez

Looks good. But you should add the number of Thunderhawks for each Chapter

DH: x12

AL: x6

WE: x5

IK: x5

EDIT: Let's take a small break from all the numbers, shall we?

Remember the Captain sketches? Well, seeing as it's Easter and all, I decided to take some time to test out some different stuff for the sketches. Result below:

I'm experimenting a bit with color as well, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.

Waddyathink?

[Donkey Kong]

I can throw in a few regiments if your interested. I've been kinda following this project with almost fanatical devotion and would love to help in any way I can.

 

If you can type up some names and numbers for Regiments, and Gehennan and Gagothan Regiments it'd be helpful (albeit if you make 503,500 I will weep tears of joy.

 

Something like that for the fleet?

 

There aren't any transports in that list, are there? Otherwise, it looks solid.

 

Let's take a small break from all the numbers, shall we?

 

Sounds good to me :P !

 

Pic looks awesome.

[Captain Juan Juarez]

I didn't list transports purposefully; that is the combat strength of the fleet and I can imagine that strength being outnumber two or three to one.

 

If you give me a list of force types commonly found on Gehenna I'll come up with a list or Regiments for the world, as well as others (inc. the Batavians :P)

 

Whats the basic engagement timeline?

 

I.e.

 

First deployment of IG = When?

Subsequent deployments = ?

Main deployment = ?

Astartes deployment = ?

 

I can come up with the basic Army Groups, with say ten or twenty regiments named for each.

[Donkey Kong]

The Campaign Time Line goes 853.M41 to 864.M41

 

853 The first bombs drop, the first few years of "fighting" consist almost solely of glassing worlds.

855 The Adeptus Mechanicus begins beating down on the idea of destroying their own resources and starts going against it. The Imperial Guard begin landing forces on Moons, the Civilized and Hive worlds.

More Guard Regiments are rallied and sent to Gehenna in this time frame

858 The Guard are stuck at a stalemate, and the first Astartes arrive to break it (Death Heads 1st and 3rd and Warriors Eternal 1st and 8th)

860 More Astartes arrive (Arctic Lions 3rd, Infinity Knights 6th and 7th, the Death Heads 2nd and 4th) and the moons are devastated.

860-864 The Astartes, Guard and Mechanicus wipe out the ACN population and launch the last attack on the hidden moon

 

A majority of the Regiments from Gehenna are Infantry (some Veterans) and Armored. EDIT: None are Airborne/ Drop Troops

A majority of the Regiments from Gagotha are Heavy Infantry (some Veterans)

 

The Adeptus Mechanicus supplies a majority of it's strength:

Legio Oblivio Titans, Legio Cybernetica Robots, Skitarii (Heavy Infantry), Artillery, Armor

 

And this may help you with your Army Group distribution

 

7,761,100,000 total population

Planetary Defense Force

ACN Defense Force

Yisa

Emim Elite

Emim Knight Houses

Iber Defense Force

1,040,000,000 population

412,880,000 soldiers

Raztur Defense Force

Tazad Defense Force

Zhu Defense Force

Tazad:

Capital Moon: 12 hives

Hive Moons: (3) 3 hives, 4 hives, 6 hives

Agricultural Moons: 10

1,000,500,000 population

39,719,850 soldiers

Zhu:

Capital Moon: 7 hives

Hive Moons: (3) 5 hives, 5 hives, 6 hives

Agricultural Moons: 8

920,400,000 population

36,539,880 soldiers

Iber:

Capital Moon: 8 hives

Hive Moons: (2) 4 hives, 6 hives

Agricultural Moons: 4

Modern Moons: 2

3,120,200,000 population

123,871,940 soldiers

 

and

 

Raztur, First Invasion Group, headed by Lord General Adar Voli

Iber, Third Invasion Group

Tazad, Second Invasion Group

Zhu Worlds, Fourth Invasion Group

 

You can make names for the other Generals if you like.

[Codex Grey]

This one's for you, King.

Just some additional testing. Background is something I found and is currently only temporary.

[Captain Juan Juarez]

EDITED.

[Donkey Kong]

Thoughts?

 

Appreciated, but on second though, I think I'll do the force organization.

 

This one's for you, King.

 

Nice, Grey, it looks a little cartoon like though.

[Ferrus Manus]

Grey, I quite like that background - very gothic. :)

[Ferrus Manus]

Been doing some Guardsmen maths...

 

Ok, first - let's all take the assumption that the Macharius Crusade was a much larger endeavour than this one.

 

Second, in which case, adding up all of the Infantry Divisions used in the Crusade it comes to 493. Assuming that a division size is 15000, in RL terms. That means there was about 7,395,000 Guardsmen involved, plus 3 Marine Chapters.

 

So from that, I'd suggest we'd need a similar amount of Divisions. So, if we take the average size of a regiment to be 4000. Then, 7395000/4000= 1848.75 regiments, rather than the billions and billions previously suggested. Granted, I'm exaggerating. :unsure:

[Donkey Kong]

Alright, I'm not going to bore you with the maths, but here's how it's rolling:

 

Raztur, First Invasion Group

General

Admiral

33,056 Regiments

 

Tazad, Second Invasion Group

General

Admiral

16,523 Regiments

 

Iber, Third Invasion Group

Lord General Adar Voli

Admiral

49,602 Regiments

 

Zhu Worlds, Fourth Invasion Group

General

Fleet Admiral Mae Adriel

Captain Dutch Tur'al

16,522 Regiments

Gehenna 53rd Rifles

 

Iber is actually the most densely populated cluster, so Voli is going to take that one.

The Generals and Admirals also need names while we're at it.

 

Macharius Crusade ... 7,395,000 Guardsmen involved, plus 3 Marine Chapters

 

Example of GW bad number game. I think the Sabbat Crusade has more Guardsmen and Astartes involved :lol: .

 

So, the Imperial Force involved: 500,003,500 soldiers in 115,703 Regiments. It's still less than billions and billions :D .

 

EDIT:

 

So, while we're working on the force, does anyone have a name for an Inquisitor/ Retinue/ Operative of the Ordo Xenos? Ferrus ;) ?

[Ferrus Manus]

So, while we're working on the force, does anyone have a name for an Inquisitor/ Retinue/ Operative of the Ordo Xenos? Ferrus ;) ?

Hah. Funnily enough, I do have an INQ - but he's Hereticus. How about Inquisitor Maelbor? Or something.

 

Also, I want to try and add some detail to one of those army groups, I'll accept your numbers :lol:, suggest as commanders, notable figures etc... would you have a preference as to which one, or maybe the one I should stay clear of?

[Donkey Kong]

Inquisitor Maelbor

 

Should work out well. Do you think we should have a single Inquisitor and his Retinue or multiple Inquisitors (Emperor's Mercy)/ multiple Inquisitorial Agents (Dark Heresy) ?

 

suggest as commanders, notable figures etc... would you have a preference as to which one, or maybe the one I should stay clear of?

 

Lots of the logs/ quotes we have are concerning Zhu (however, it's mostly agricultural and only has 3 hives). I think Iber would allow for the most material though, it has hives, two civilized worlds, and a few agricultural moons. Zhu is very small though, so you might want to avoid it if you have lots of ideas.

[Ferrus Manus]

I'll take the second Army group then. As for the INQs, I'd say just the one.

+++++++++++

My notes from the thread, take no notice.

Tazad, Second Invasion Group

General

Admiral

16,523 Regiments

Tazad:

Capital Moon: 12 hives

Hive Moons: (3) 3 hives, 4 hives, 6 hives

Agricultural Moons: 10

1,000,500,000 population

39,719,850 soldiers

Tazad: 15 moons (Second Invasion Group, Second Army)

Second Invasion Group Tazad

Lord General Adar Voli

Admiral

Regiments

Gehenna 1st Rifles

Gehenna 3rd Combat Engineers

Gehenna 9th Tank Regiment

Gehenna 323rd Airborne

Gagotha 122nd Infantry

Gagotha 144th Infantry

Gagotha 163rd Infantry

Protomangate 112nd Techguard Skitarii

Protomangate 125th Techguard Skitarii

Protomangate 303rd Techguard Skitarii

Protomangate 667th Armored

Fleet Assets

2x Vengeance Class Grand Cruiser

1x Cruiser

3x Light Cruiser

1x Adeptus Mechanicus Battleship

2x Adeptus Mechanicus Light Cruiser

14x Destroyer; Frigate; Escort; Transport

To stop beating around the bush, a lot of stuff is going to go down on Tazad.

Tazad (- - -)

Tazad 1st Regiment

Tazad 2nd Regiment

[Donkey Kong]

I'll take the second Army group then. As for the INQs, I'd say just the one.

 

Alrighty then.

 

Just as a little note, you'll have to detail out what your fleet will be (from the battleships to the transports), keep in mind that the Cluster itself doesn't have much of anything in the way of battleships.

 

EDIT: just as a note, I think I've screwed up some numbers with the math, so keep that in mind when using that map.

 

Planetary Defense Force

 

ACN Defense Force

Yisa

Emim Elite

Emim Knight Houses

1,040,000,000 population

412,880,000 soldiers

 

Tazad: 14 moons

Capital Moon: 12 hives

Hive Moons: (3) 3 hives, 4 hives, 6 hives

Agricultural Moons: 10

1,000,500,000 population

39,719,850 soldiers

 

Zhu: 12 moons

Capital Moon: 7 hives

Hive Moons: (3) 5 hives, 5 hives, 6 hives

Agricultural Moons: 8

920,400,000 population

36,539,880 soldiers

 

Iber: 9 moons

Capital Moon: 8 hives

Hive Moons: (2) 4 hives, 6 hives

Agricultural Moons: 4

Civilized Moons: 2

3,120,200,000 population

123,871,940 soldiers

 

Raztur: 9 moons

Capital Moon: 6 hives

Hive Moons: (2) 2 hives, 4 hives

Agricultural Moons: 5

Civilized Moons: 1

1,680,000,000 population

66,696,000 soldiers

 

Just keep in mind that the Invasion Force is distributed based on population, not area.

[Codex Grey]

Okay, so I tried to de-cartoonify the symbol, and here's the result. I think turned out pretty good, and more importantly more gothic.

Here's one for you as well, Ferrus.

[Ferrus Manus]

These are excellent, Grey! In fact, I think we've just found the artwork for the PDF front cover, when we get around to it. (Assuming your planning on doing one for the WEs and IKs?)

[DarkKnightCuron]

Artwork is absolutely awesome, Codex Grey. Also, out of curiosity, did you get my latest message? I sent it about a day or so ago.

 

Also, had I any kind of really unique chapter or regiment, I'd probably suggest it as well, but I really only run full Cadian (42nd Mechanized). At any rate:

 

Inquisitor Maelbor

 

Should work out well. Do you think we should have a single Inquisitor and his Retinue or multiple Inquisitors (Emperor's Mercy)/ multiple Inquisitorial Agents (Dark Heresy) ?

 

I vote for multiple Inquisitorial Agents, maybe a single Inquisitor could show up nearing the end of the campaign. If you're looking for names of Inquisitorial agents, I actually have a few old Dark Heresy characters that could stand a little bit of sunshine.

[Codex Grey]

Thanks! I could definitively see these on the cover (and I've already done the WEs and IKs :) )

Here's a color test I did with Aleksei. As I've mentioned before, these are inspired by the small portraits of each special Character in the Badab pdf. and would go nicely with their special rules. Yes, they are a bit cartoony, but doing the gritty 'realistic' style is both hard and time consuming. Plus with this style it's easier to catch the 'feel' of each character.

EDIT: Sorry, DKC, forgot to reply. I don't really have any useful info for you yet, but I'll see what I can come up with.

[Ferrus Manus]

I vote for multiple Inquisitorial Agents, maybe a single Inquisitor could show up nearing the end of the campaign. If you're looking for names of Inquisitorial agents, I actually have a few old Dark Heresy characters that could stand a little bit of sunshine.

Show us what you've got, mate.

 

EDIT: Grey, a very successful test. I love the style. My only gripe is that if you lined the portraits and showed them to someone, who didn't have must prior knowledge, they probably wouldn't be a able to tell them apart, chapter-wise.

 

Maybe, for the finished portraits, either superimpose their Chapter Symbol behind them or extend the portrait to include some parts of armour?

[DarkKnightCuron]

I vote for multiple Inquisitorial Agents, maybe a single Inquisitor could show up nearing the end of the campaign. If you're looking for names of Inquisitorial agents, I actually have a few old Dark Heresy characters that could stand a little bit of sunshine.

Show us what you've got, mate.

 

You got it.

 

Drake Constantine - Former Imperial Guardsman. His Homeworld (former Agri-World, now a dead world) was destroyed by warfare with Orks and Eldar, and led a life of a mercenary until he was recruited into the Ordo Xenos. Operating in a Hive world should be something grossly new to him, as he's very much used to having a sky above his head: Essentially, he would be claustrophobic inside a Hive.

 

Interrogator Corinthius Delmar - An Acolyte serving with the Ordo Xenos. He was actually doomed to be a Dark Eldar slave before he was (inadvertantly) rescued by a Deathwatch raid. He's very inquisitive, and makes for an excellent investigator. He's also very sneaky and good with disguises in order to collect what information he needs. While religious zeal is warranted in certain situations, he's a believer of cold, hard facts and information; He's not the one to act on gut feeling alone, but with hard evidence.

[Codex Grey]

I completely agree Ferrus. I've wanted from the start to include little bit of their armor in the portrait (as you can see from the pencil sketch of Aleksei) but I haven't been too happy with how my attempts have turn out. Still, I'll try some more and if it doesn't work out then maybe your idea of superimposing the symbol will work.

[Ferrus Manus]

Here's my summary of the 2nd Army Group:

 

The Second Army Group – Gehenna Campaign

 

Commanding Officer: General Cato Vespasian

Fleet Master: Lord Admiral Otto DeGaur

 

Regiments: Total= 16,477

 

Regiments of Note:

- Gehennan 82nd ‘The Impossibles’

- Glostrian 24th ‘Shadows’

- 17th Vesuvian Dragoons

- 98th Tazad Rifles

 

 

Fleet Assets:

 

Flagship: Unyielding Light, Vengeance Class Grand Cruiser

 

Battlefleet Vespasian:

- 2 Grand Cruisers

- 4 Battle Cruisers

- 6 Light Cruisers

- 15 Escort Squadrons

- 1 AdMech Battleship

- 2 AdMech Light Cruisers

 

Support Units:

 

Legio Oblivio:

 

Supplicant of War, Reaver Class Titan ( Princeps Hekt)

Vox Non Incerta, Reaver Class Titan ( Princeps Kyteo)

Carnivorum, Warhound Class Titan ( Princeps Leato)

Oblivion Bringer, Warhound Class Titan ( Princeps Antor)

 

Skitarii: 46 Regiments.

[DarkKnightCuron]

Ferrus Manus, I'm curious as to the definition of Squadron. If Grand and Battle Cruisers are as big as I remember them, each one would probably have three or more defense/interceptor squadrons each, but I might be wrong on that, as it really depends on the definition of squadron. There might be as many as thirty defense squadrons amongst those ships.

 

Looks awesome otherwise!

[Ferrus Manus]

I took a squadron to mean 1 unit of either Sword, Cobra or Firestorm class ships. I didn't bother with the minor defensive ships.

[Donkey Kong]

Okay, so I tried to de-cartoonify the symbol, and here's the result. I think turned out pretty good, and more importantly more gothic.

 

Awesome work, you completely achieved the goal. They're definitely more gothic.

 

I actually have a few old Dark Heresy characters that could stand a little bit of sunshine.

 

I have no problem using the two agents you proposed, and possibly any more you propose in the future providing they find a purpose in the Campaign. However, I ask for your permission to change the name of their Inquisitor to the current Maelbor, as well as adjust any ideas that may not fit just right in what we need to accomplish.

 

Regiments: Total= 16,523 ... Skitarii: 46 Regiments.

 

Just want to make sure that you know the Skitarii Regiments are part of the Total.

 

Edit:

 

Also, are any of you opposed to the use of Legio Cyberntica, basically Adeptus Mechanicus Robots, on the Imperium's side?

The types of robots are:

Crusader (anti-personnel)

Colossus (siege)

Cataphract (multi-purpose)

Castellan (siege and anti-tank)

Conqueror (assault and anti-tank)