Successor Chapters of the Ultramarines Legion

[Brother Pariah]

Founding: First¹
Chapter Master: Imperial Commander Marneus Calgar, Lord Macragge²
Chapter Planet: Macragge³
Fortress-Monastery: the Fortress of Hera⁴
Colour Scheme: Blue primary / white secondary. Company colour on pauldron rims.⁵
Organization & Tactics: Orthodox Codex⁶
Battle Cry: "Courage and Honour!"⁷
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References:
^1.Codex: Ultramarines, 1995, p. 7
^2.Warhammer 40K Compendium, 1989, p. 1
^3.Codex: Ultramarines, 1995, p. 12
^4. "Defenders of Ultramar," US White Dwarf #255, 2001, p. 65
^5.How to Paint Space Marines, 2004, p. 28-53
^6.Armies of the Imperium, 1991, p. 8
^7.Assault on Black Reach: The Novel, 2008, p. 10

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Founding: Second⁸
Chapter Master: CLASSIFIED
Chapter Planet: Firestorm¹
Fortress-Monastery: CLASSIFIED
Colour Scheme: Green. Company colour on pauldron rims.¹⁰
Organization & Tactics: Codex⁹ / Armoured assault.²
Battle Cry: CLASSIFIED
Background: The armoury of the Aurora Chapter boasts more Predators and Land Raiders than three other Space Marine Chapters combined. Their name has become a byword for armoured assault across the entire Ultima Segmentum.²

Alongside the White Consuls, the Aurora Chapter took part in the Liberation of the Ophidian Subsector, rescuing Inquisitor Javes Thysser of the Ordo Xenos. The Great Triumph that followed this victory, took place on Vogel Passionata saw the entire Chapter take part in the parade. One hundred marines accompanied fifteen Rhinos bearing the dead (whether this is specifically the dead of the Aurora Chapter is not specified) near the front of the parade. They bore black-ribboned placards bearing the names of the dead. The remainder of the Chapter then followed, 'all in full, polished, imperator armour'.⁷

The Aurora Chapter participated in the fight against the World Engine in 926/M41. Other things of note, that the Astral Knights sacrificed themselves to destroy it, and in the ruins of their flagship, the Battle Barge Tempestus, seven hundred and seventy-two arbalstone statues stand, watched over by a score of living guardians, marines from the dozen disparate Chapters. Set amid the ruins of Safehold (last planet attacked by the World Engine), the garrison has known representatives from each of the Chapters that fought at the Astral Knights' side.³

The Zeist Campaign (303999/M41): Marneus Calgar sent Sicarius and the 2nd Company to the Zeist sector to halt the Tau advance. Word was sent to all nearby Chapter, asking for aid. The Aurora Chapter sent a Predator spearhead. By the time Sicarius struck Augura, the Tau staging post, the force had swollen to nearly Chapter strength (amongst others the Aurora). Augura's fortresses were smashed, its shipyards and weapons factories destroyed. Tau expansion ended. Sicarius dispersed his armies as Imperial Tarot predicted dire times ahead, the forces of the Adeptus Astartes were needed elsewhere.⁴

The Knight of the Raven Chapter were once sent on an arduous deployment as penance for coming to blows with Brother-Marines of the Aurora Chapter, a conflict ended only by the intervention of Marneus Calgar.⁵

The Aurora Chapter Predator 'Harbinger of Death' fought alongside the Chapter's First Company against Chaos cultists during the Goru Heresy.⁶


References:
^1.Codex: Space Marines, 2008, p. 30.
^2.Codex: Space Marines, 2008, p. 25.
^3.Codex: Space Marines, 2008, p. 44, 49.
^4.Codex: Space Marines, 2008, p. 48.
^5.Codex: Space Marines, 2008, p. 28.
^6.Imperial Armour Volume Two, Space Marines and Forces of the Inquisition, 2004, p. 31.
^7.Malleus, 2001, p. ??
^8.Codex: Ultramarines, 1995, p. 9.
^9.Insignium Astartes, 2002, p. 9.
^10.Insignium Astartes, 2002, p. 58.

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Founding: Second¹
Chapter Master: CLASSIFIED
Chapter Planet: CLASSIFIED
Fortress-Monastery: CLASSIFIED
Colour Scheme: Black primary / white secondary. Company colour on pauldron rims.²
Organization & Tactics: Orthodox Codex³
Battle Cry: CLASSIFIED
Background: The Black Consuls are well known for being the least compromising of all Chapters. Their stern and inflexible approach makes them worthy inheritors of Guilliman's legacy.³

It is not unknown for the entire Chapter to take part in massed drop-pod assaults.⁹

One notable engagement was the Kharmallan Fields campaign, where three squadrons of Whirlwinds belonging to the Black Consuls conducted a fourteen hour bombardment of rebel positions, firing over six thousand missiles. This resulted in a five mile front being opened in the rebel lines and the destruction of several key defensive positions. The ensuring ground assault resulted in the total colapse of the rebel force in the southern continent. Unfortunately, the Whirlwinds were destroyed in a surprise counter-attack by enemy armour.⁴

On the planet Baliaris Majoris, the Chapter fought against a force of Black Legion Chaos Marines, lead by Dangar the Blood Reaver, in 356/M38.⁵

The Black Consuls were recorded as annihilated at the Siege of Goddeth Hive in 455/M41.⁶

However, the Black Consuls saw action against the Tyranids on Manalar, centuries later. ⁷

The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Companies were mobilised to put down a rebellion on Suracto. They discovered wide-spread corruption within the planet's leadership and battle the Alpha Legion.⁷

Dark Apostle Ekodas of the Word Bearers Legion lead a crusade against the Black Consuls, almost wiping out the Chapter. It is unclear if this event is connected to the Siege of Goddeth Hive.⁸

Notable member include Codicier Levi, Third Company Standard Bearer Aeorum, Third Company Captain Estrus, and Fourth Company Captain Vanem.⁷


References:
^1.Codex: Ultramarines, 1995, p. 9.
^2.Insignium Astartes, 2002, p. 58.
^3.Codex: Ultramarines, 1995, p. 42.
^4.Epic Armageddon, 2003, p. 81.
^5.White Dwarf #223, 1998, p. 56.
^6.Codex: Space Marines, 2008, p. 24.
^7. "Unthinking Justice," Let the Galaxy Burn, 2008, p. 695.
^8.Dark Disciple, 2008, p. 404.
^9.Codex: Space Marines, 2008, p. 69.

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Founding: CLASSIFIED
Chapter Master: CLASSIFIED
Chapter Planet: CLASSIFIED
Fortress-Monastery: CLASSIFIED
Colour Scheme: CLASSIFIED
Organization & Tactics: CLASSIFIED
Battle Cry: CLASSIFIED
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References:

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Edited March 25, 2010 by Brother Pariah

[Brother Pariah]

It's been a while since we did one of these... Gather round, you Lexicania, Codiciers and Epistolaries. Take off those psychic hoods and put on your thinking caps. Due to popular demand I have organized a project which will amuse and edify you, while creating a lasting monument of Space Marines lore. The Ultramarines Successor Chapters thread.

 

We will work together to compile a guide to the official Chapters descended from Roboute Guilliman's geneseed. I will compile everything into the post(s) at the top of the thread.

 

1. An exact quotation from an official GW source. Put quotes around it so we know what's "canon."

 

2. Cite your source. This is important. Historical research requires verifiable sources. Any official Warhammer 40,000 material is fair game, even licensed stuff. Some discrepancies will inevitably appear, but that's part of the fun! Be sure to provide a copyright date if the edition could be in doubt and a page number, if applicable. Also, specify which country your White Dwarf is from, if it post-dates the UK/US White Dwarf split (WD 192?).

 

Now I know you're eager to bum-rush the thread and post a bunch of information about your favorite Chapter, but, we need to do this in an organized fashion, or I'm going to have a nervous breadown, and they'll have to haul me back to DakkaDakka.com in a straitjacket. So here's how we're going to do it:

 

We're going to do each Chapter, one at a time. When we've filled in the available information for a Chapter, we'll move on to the next one. We'll start with the Primogenitor Chapters, and then move onto the later Foundings. Please don't post information about Chapters which don't have a section at the top of the thread yet, but feel free to post new/additional information about Chapters which we've already covered.

 

I myself volunteer to doing graphics for the Chapter Symbols for each Chapter, using Adobe Illustrator, because I am awesome. I am hoping that someone (nudge nudge, TEC?) will volunteer to create paint guides similar to the example Ultramarine battle brother, above.

 

We started on this project over in this thread, so you may find some useful information there. Oh, one more thing: Lexicanum is NOT A SOURCE! You can use it to aid your researches, but it is not a valid source, as people post all sorts of nonsense on there.

 

So, without further ado, let's get rolling. The first Chapter for our project is the Black Consuls. Tell me everything about them!

Edited March 12, 2010 by Brother Pariah

[Gree]

Let the Galaxy Burn, 2006 edition, short story, Unthinking Justice, Pg.695-711

 

It names a Codicer Levi, (Pg.695) Brother Aeorum(pg.695), a standard bearer of the Third, a Captain Estrus as the commander of the Third, (pg.696) and a Captain Vanem as the commander of the Fourth (Pg.708) (No date is given to when this story occers in-universe)

 

Codex Space Marines, 5th edition, 2008 pg 24 recorded as annhilated at the seige of Goddeth Hive, in 455.M41

 

Dark Disciple, 2008 pg. 404 Dark Apostle Ekodas purportedly wiped out the chapter. Unknown is this was at Goddeth Hive or something else.

Edited March 12, 2010 by Gree

[Balroth]

Codex Ultramarines, 2nd Ed, 1995(?)

 

"The Black Consuls are well known for being the least compromising of all Chapters. Their stern and inflexible approach makes them worthy inheritors of Guilliman's legacy."

 

There's a picture of a painted member of the Chapter too. He has black armour with yellow shoulder trims and chest eagle. There's a standard Tactical marking on the right pad (6th squad) and the Chapter symbol is a bird's head. I think it's an eagle, but I'm not good at birds. His boltgun casing is red and there's a yellow eagle on the bolter. He also has a winged skull honour marking on his left greave. There's also a skull on his forehead, but he doesn't have a red helmet indicating a sergeant so this is likely another form of battle honour other than the Iron Skull. His eyes are red.

 

-B

[Tenebris]

Aeorum - Black Consuls Standard Bearer, 3rd Co. - Inferno #5 (Sanctum Imperialis)

 

And this might be a good start:

 

Consul - an official appointed by the government of one country to look after its commercial interests and the welfare of its citizens in another country. Or even better:

 

Roman Consuls After reading this some things are really revealing:

 

- 2 Consuls, one for the plebeians (lower class folk) and one for the patricians (high class folk)

- Praetor: 'Roman magistrate who served as a law court judge'. Interestingly, a Praetor acted in the absence of a Consul.

- Military leaders, politicians, priests, readers of augurs...

 

I belive that the Consuls chapters are a reflection of the Ultramar politcs which appear in the chapter command structure. Perhaps a group of Consuls were marines from the lower classes od Ultramar people, while the other Consuls were members of the nobility, both together in the chapter as brothers, both sharing positions of command...

 

ADDED: On warseer.com I have found this:

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This so-called 'Second Founding' was an event of great import

Edited March 12, 2010 by Brother Nero

[Gree]

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This so-called 'Second Founding' was an event of great import – a breaking of ties, a time of celebration and rebirth, and the forging of bonds of honour that are largely maintained to this day.

 

It was these things and more. Behind the celebration, the Second Founding was a stark demonstration of Astartes submission in the light of the Great Heresy. While the immediate threat of the Warmaster had been crushed, the idea of the Primarchs – and by extension, the Astartes – as infallible and implicitly loyal, was gone. The Imperium was tottering, and the citizens needed a united leadership. More than this, they needed reassurance that the Imperium could survive without the Emperor.

 

By shackling the strength of the Legions, Roboute Guilliman gave mankind back trust in the good of the post-human Astartes. The Astartes would, by and large, police themselves – and guarantee the nascent Imperium's safety and survival.

 

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A Light In Dark Places

Guilliman's method of operation in the Great Crusade had given birth to an organisation of approximately one thousand marines, known as a Chapter. A chapter was estimated to be the most efficient group possible during the Great Crusade – large enough to prosecute a campaign across an extended front, but small enough that the Legion's forces could operate across an immense front. Crucially, it was self-sustaining, carrying an apothecarian and with orders to create and maintain recruitment from the worlds the Expeditionary fleets brought to Compliance.

 

In breaking up the strength of the Legions, the Chapter was a natural formation to establish as a basis: able to quickly respond to – and best – any alien threat, but not strong enough independently to overtly threaten the immense Segementa Battlefleets and battalions of the newly-founded Imperial Guard.

 

The choosing of the Chapter Masters was a heavy task for the remaining Primarchs, for their teachings – mediated by the invaluable Codex: Astartes – would almost inevitably determine the character of the Chapter. No-one wanted another rebellion, and with some notable exceptions – Sigismund of the Black Templars, Turbon Haark of the Brazen Claws – the individuals selected were united largely by their conservative and obedient nature rather than their inspirational zeal.

 

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March of the Consuls

Each of the Legions marked their last days as a united force in different ways. The White Scars set out in a great procession, their successors splitting off at pre-marked points to join their fleets and seek new homes; while the Imperial Fists' scourging at the Iron Cage marked their bloody rebirth.

 

The Ultramarines' dissolution was sombre, marked by a thousand days of meditation and grieving for the fallen in the Great Temple of Hera. The selected Chapter Masters – and their number varies wildly in the differing accounts – gathered at the great Waterfall of Penance on Macragge, where they personally scoured the Legion symbol and colours from their armour, their hearts heavy with their imminent sundering from their beloved Legion.

 

Returning to Macragge City, each of the Chapter Masters presented himself to the stern enthroned Guilliman, where he received his new colours, and a banner was presented to each.

 

Already used to operating separately, the new Chapters set out to strategic points in the galaxy, to claim their new homeworlds and follow Guilliman's edict by their own interpretation. Of these glorious chapters, a number were granted official use of Honorifics earned during the Great Crusade: the Nemesis Chapter, the dread Mortifactors, the terrifying Doom Eagles.

 

Others, formed largely from newly-raised Initiates, and with little memory of the glory days of Crusade, claimed names that starkly set out their independence and spoke of new beginnings and future hope: the Genesis Chapter, the Nova Marines, and the ill-starred Inceptors.

 

The third group took titles that were ancient when the Legion was formed, and who had formed enlarged and specialist veteran cadres during the Great Crusade. The Libators, a small group of four companies dedicated to internal discipline within the legion, were swollen to a thousand, and granted independence. Similarly, the Patriarchs – a group of marines that formed honour guard groups for the Chaplaincy, Librarium and other officers and officials – were expanded and gifted the world of Ulixis from which to recruit and operate.

 

The Praetors of Calth, devastated by the loss in the Scouring of the inspirational Captain Orar – and more pertinently, the near-destruction of the world they had been tasked to protect – were renamed the Praetors of Orpheus, taking their name from their temporary leader, the inspirational Orpheus Holion; and boarded their ships to their new world Beta Entebes II.

 

Finally, Guilliman brought two of his closest warriors to him. These incomparable warriors were the leaders of the Consuls – a two-thousand strong veteran cadre that had accompanied Guilliman himself for much of the Great Crusade, and who had been instrumental in holding the Eastern Imperium together during the Heresy and Scouring.

 

Guilliman decreed that the Consuls be split in two: the Black Consuls, who would forever represent the terror of the Astartes, and who must always guard against the threat from within; and the White Consuls, who would embody the dutiful nature of the Astartes, who would guard against the threat from without.

 

This looks like fanon, I have never read this in any peice of fluff before. It's good fanon though.

[Tenebris]

After reading something on the generic politics in Aincent Rome (link in my first post) I produced this theory on the chapters Black Consuls, White Consuls, Praetors of Orpheus and the patriarchs of Ulixis:

 

Roboute Guillman was a great warrior and an even greater politician, his realm of Ultramar is often described the example of a perfect administration, to achive this he had to include all social classes of his people in his chapter which was the highest echelon of Imperial power in the sector.

 

So:

 

The Black Consuls - The rappresentatives of the numerous noble houses of Ultramar. Rigid adherents to rules and the command chain.

The White Consuls - Their reverence for the God Emperor is an indication of filtering the belief and Ecclesiarhical religion common of the lower clases. They are the rappresentatives of the lowly social clases in Ultramar.

 

Those two chapters both share an equal degree of power and influence, both commanding lets say two legions (companies) as in Rome. Both partecipate in the chapter politics (promotions, command, important decisions) and are perhaps the most senior groups in the Ultramarines.

 

The Patriarchs of Ulixes are the bretheren which held the ecclesiarhical power in the vast Ultramar sector. Thus they are counted in the command structure of the Legion and rappresent the countless masses of faithful.

 

The Praetors of Orpheus to me seem like the Mechanicus equivalent to the Imperium, the rappresentatives of the vast power held by the Adeptus Mechanicus and its importance for the function of every empire.

 

Consul

Praetor

Patriarch

Edited March 12, 2010 by Brother Nero

[Gree]

I'm not sure if you know this, but this thread is for GW material only, not fan work.

[Tenebris]

I know but I am trying to figure out what is behind their name and why GW decided to name the Ultramarine descendants in that way. If you put this little informations together you can mange to see a pattern in the naming of the chapters. I have checked many internet pages but the informations on the Black Consuls are scarce, so I took another route (history) to investigate about them. The only official info I have found out was a mention about the Black Consuls in one of the Warhammer 40k Inferno Articles - Ultra, any clues how to find said articles? Edited March 12, 2010 by Brother Nero

[Gree]

I know but I am trying to figure out what is behind their name and why GW decided to name the Ultramarine descendants in that way.

 

Then it won't be included in this project at all. Pariah said canon sources and citations.

[Tenebris]

There are supposedly several mentions of the Black Consuls in the Inferno series of books.

 

The books on the Ultramarines are:

 

Ultra - Blackbone

Ultra - Consequences

Ultra - Enemy of Enemy

Ultra - History

 

Now I dont have any idea if this books are official GW but they seem to be an old publication. Can someone enlighten us on them and seek for some Black Consuls lore in them?

 

ADDED: Confirmed if GW official Inferno !

 

This is an example of the said series of books:

 

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7413/inferno20010304.jpg

Edited March 12, 2010 by Brother Nero

[Gree]

There are supposedly several mentions of the Black Consuls in the Inferno series of books.

 

The books on the Ultramarines are:

 

Ultra - Blackbone

 

That is a short comic about Uriel Ventris and Captain Idaeus, it is a prequel to Nightbringer, no refernece to the Black Consuls.

 

Ultra - Consequences

 

Another Ventris short story with no reference to the Black Consuls.

 

Ultra - Enemy of Enemy

Ultra - History

 

I don't know about any of these but I've already cited one of the short stories that orignally appeared in Inferno in my first post.

Edited March 12, 2010 by Gree

[Brother Pariah]

Warseer is not a valid source for this project. It's just a fan-run message board.

 

While some historical analogy (to ancient Rome, etc.) can be instructive, please don't go overboard with the speculation. I have to compile all of the material together, and if I have to comb through a lot of speculative writing, it will be more difficult for me. Thanks. That said, a bit of discussion is perfectly all right! :lol:

[apologist]

Heh - the text quoted is stuff I made up for my blog a couple of weeks ago - in fact, I posted it (clearly marked as 'completely made up and unofficial' here on someone's research thread! :lol:

Apologies that it's been mistaken for canon, but I'm flattered! :lol:

[The Emperor's Champion]

I myself volunteer to doing graphics for the Chapter Symbols for each Chapter, using Adobe Illustrator, because I am awesome. I am hoping that someone (nudge nudge, TEC?) will volunteer to create paint guides similar to the example Ultramarine battle brother, above.

I'm on it....in a week. I'm stripped of most of my internet powers for the week of Spring Break. PC wouldn't fit in my Jeep with all my other stuff.... ;)

 

Perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea to include a "Real World Inspirations" section at the end?

 

 

Also, so that seriously say "Claffified"? and what does the Big-Wall-O-Latin translate to?

Edited March 13, 2010 by The Emperor's Champion

[Cptn. Palladorus]

I myself volunteer to doing graphics for the Chapter Symbols for each Chapter, using Adobe Illustrator, because I am awesome. I am hoping that someone (nudge nudge, TEC?) will volunteer to create paint guides similar to the example Ultramarine battle brother, above.

I can do a few. I won't guarantee they'll be as purdy as TEC's, but they'll be fluff accurate. I'll dig out my copy of Insignium Astartes specifically for this project too. Just let me know what you need. Tactical only? Devvies? Assault? Vets? Officers? How much bling?

 

EDIT:

Also, so [sic] that seriously say "Claffified"? and what does the Big-Wall-O-Latin translate to?

It does not actually say "Claffified by the Inquifition", it says "Cla??ified by the Inqui?ition". The letter "?" that appears similar to an "f" is actually a long s. Also, the Big-Wall-O-Latin is lorem ipsum, classic placeholder text.

Edited March 13, 2010 by Cptn. Palladorus

[Brother Pariah]

I can do a few. I won't guarantee they'll be as purdy as TEC's, but they'll be fluff accurate. I'll dig out my copy of Insignium Astartes specifically for this project too. Just let me know what you need. Tactical only? Devvies? Assault? Vets? Officers? How much bling?

 

I'm kinda leaning toward having each example be a tactical marine of the 2nd Company, for clarity, but if anyone can think of a good reason to have more variety, I'm all-ears. I'd say give them a decent amount of accesories so they don't look too boring. I can send the Chapter symbol your way when it's done, to save you a few steps.

 

Oh, and I think that we should use the most recent versions of the colour schemes and symbols. I'm more interested in making a practical resource here than a comprehensive collection of information.

[Cptn. Palladorus]

I don't have Photoshop but I'll see if I can figure out how to use this Gimp program whose developers claim it does the same thing. When you say we're using the most recent colour schemes, will we be correcting GW's errors where they exist? For example, in the 4th ed. C:SM, the White Consuls tactical squad from the 9th company?

 

And I'm assuming the precedence for "most recent" is 5th C:SM > 4th C:SM > IA > 3rd C:SM > 2nd C:UM right? I've got the WD that displayed all the chapters participating in Armageddon somewhere but I have no idea where, and I don't own the issues with similar articles for 13th Black Crusade or Medusa V.

[greatcrusade08]

Oh, and I think that we should use the most recent versions of the colour schemes and symbols. I'm more interested in making a practical resource here than a comprehensive collection of information.

 

If this is intended to be a full gathering of info on the chapters, perhaps a guide of company colour differences wouldnt be a bad thing.. also what about any changes made to colours. i.e ultras second co from yellow to gold and bolter casings from red to black

[Cptn. Palladorus]

If this is intended to be a full gathering of info on the chapters, perhaps a guide of company colour differences wouldnt be a bad thing.. also what about any changes made to colours. i.e ultras second co from yellow to gold and bolter casings from red to black

With all due respect, I think this isn't really necessary. The first two issues are covered in the TO&E for the Ultramarines Chapter on p. 17 of 5th C:SM where each company is given a heraldic colour in both its colour and metal tincture. The issue of bolter colours doesn't really affect the successors.

 

EDIT: A rundown of standard and alternate squad iconography and the five CA-compliant locations for company colour display as per WD298 and Insignium Astartes may be useful. If so then we should probably incorporate the company colours into that section.

Edited March 13, 2010 by Cptn. Palladorus

[The Emperor's Champion]

Weapon casings is fairly moot anyhow. It now appears that black is simply a variant adopted under Agemman's command, rather than a total overhaul, as seen in the full 2nd Company in the current Codex, there are still plenty of red casings mixed in.

 

I'm almost of the opinion that the color of weapon casings are a totally moot point, and anything in the standard Ultramarines range is basically acceptable (blue, gold, black ,white).

 

 

BTW, I have a Genesis Sergeant all put together: LINK

I'd kinda like to use him since it shows how the Genesis use the complete red-blue palette swap, but I understand the inclination towards standard Tactical Marine *shrug*

Edited March 13, 2010 by The Emperor's Champion

[Brother Pariah]

I don't have Photoshop but I'll see if I can figure out how to use this Gimp program whose developers claim it does the same thing. When you say we're using the most recent colour schemes, will we be correcting GW's errors where they exist? For example, in the 4th ed. C:SM, the White Consuls tactical squad from the 9th company?

Yes, we should correct GW's errors. I mostly just meant that if a Chapter had gone through a change in their chapter colour or their chapter symbol, we should use the more recent one. For instance, the Black Consul's symbol has changed a bit since 2nd edition. The Silver Skulls' colour scheme has changed a bit since RT, etc.

 

BTW, I have a Genesis Sergeant all put together: LINK

I'd kinda like to use him since it shows how the Genesis use the complete red-blue palette swap, but I understand the inclination towards standard Tactical Marine *shrug*

I like him. I say we use him, as it's informative to show the blue helmet. As long as we mention that sergeant helmet colour in the text, it shouldn't be confusing, right?

[Balroth]

similar thing for the White Consuls. They use blue helmets for Veterans according to the 2nd Ed Codex.

 

-B

[Brother-Chaplain Gaius]

Genesis uses blue purity seals? :D

 

how dare they

Edited March 13, 2010 by Brother-Chaplain Gaius

[The Emperor's Champion]

Genesis do a full blue-red swap of the Ultramarines colors, other than that and their Chapter badge they ARE Ultramarines.

 

I left the Krak Grenade red since I figure it's "ammunition" and probably mass produced on a Forgeworld somewhere where they're only made in red, just like everyone else's.