Tenebris Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 (edited) I have gone trough from the Rogue Trader articles to the last space marine codex. Pretty much the information on the Black Consuls has already been posted, there is only a mention about the two Consuls in the Guilliman background. That scheme and the mini are the the official colours: http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/699/200pxblackconsulsmarine.jpghttp://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1505/m103646218.jpg Edited March 13, 2010 by Brother Nero Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194316-successor-chapters-of-the-ultramarines-legion/page/2/#findComment-2316802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cptn. Palladorus Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Colour Scheme: Blue primary / white secondary. Company colour on pauldron rims.5 Huh? White secondary? Brother Nero, I'm assuming that miniature is from C:UM? That would make Insignium Astartes the most recent source to show their weapon, unless they're in How to Paint Space Marines. They were shown with red bolters in Insignium Astartes in 2002 when most other chapters, albeit not the Ultramarines themselves, had already switched to black. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194316-successor-chapters-of-the-ultramarines-legion/page/2/#findComment-2316910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebris Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 (edited) Colour Scheme: How to paint Space Marines, page 84 (2004) - Confirmed in the Index Astrates page 24 The mini: Codex Ultramarines, page 42 (1993) The Insignium Astrates depicts a Black Consuls marine with the red painted bolter. It also says that the shoulder pad trim shows the Company colour. In the GW publication Space Marine Collectors Guide (2002) the Black Consuls marine appears with the red bolter. Edited March 13, 2010 by Brother Nero Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194316-successor-chapters-of-the-ultramarines-legion/page/2/#findComment-2317007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted March 13, 2010 Author Share Posted March 13, 2010 (edited) Colour Scheme: Blue primary / white secondary. Company colour on pauldron rims.5 Huh? White secondary? Y'know, for the Chapter and unit markings. Maybe we should just use sergeants for all of the Chapters, eh? Here's my Black Consuls symbol, made in Illustrator: Edited March 13, 2010 by Brother Pariah Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194316-successor-chapters-of-the-ultramarines-legion/page/2/#findComment-2317062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cptn. Palladorus Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 (edited) Maybe an explanation of the terms used in the article and the basic markings of the Ultramarines chapter would be useful, and then for each successor we'd only have to describe how they differ from the Ultramarines? For example, once we've established that Codex Chapters mark sergeants with a red helmet, we'd only have to describe sergeant markings in cases like the Genesis chapter who use blue instead? I'm installing the Photoshop trial right now. I'll try to pump out as many chapter pics as I can before the 30 days is up. Edited March 13, 2010 by Cptn. Palladorus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194316-successor-chapters-of-the-ultramarines-legion/page/2/#findComment-2317323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 I like the standardized idea there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194316-successor-chapters-of-the-ultramarines-legion/page/2/#findComment-2317328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted March 14, 2010 Author Share Posted March 14, 2010 Huh, my image has disappeared from my gallery. I'll try to re-upload it later. Maybe an explanation of the terms used in the article and the basic markings of the Ultramarines chapter would be useful, and then for each successor we'd only have to describe how they differ from the Ultramarines? For example, once we've established that Codex Chapters mark sergeants with a red helmet, we'd only have to describe sergeant markings in cases like the Genesis chapter who use blue instead? Sounds like the best plan yet. I'm installing the Photoshop trial right now. I'll try to pump out as many chapter pics as I can before the 30 days is up. Thank you! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194316-successor-chapters-of-the-ultramarines-legion/page/2/#findComment-2317429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cptn. Palladorus Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Here's my Black Consuls symbol, made in Illustrator: I may be misremembering, but aren't there several different versions of the Black/White Consuls symbol? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194316-successor-chapters-of-the-ultramarines-legion/page/2/#findComment-2317448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted March 14, 2010 Author Share Posted March 14, 2010 (edited) Here's my Black Consuls symbol, made in Illustrator: I may be misremembering, but aren't there several different versions of the Black/White Consuls symbol? Yes. That's one of the things I was talking about when I said we should use the most recent version of the Chapter's uniform. I'm using the most recent Chapter symbol. Okay, I've started plugging stuff into the top post. Should be done within 24 hours. Edited March 14, 2010 by Brother Pariah Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194316-successor-chapters-of-the-ultramarines-legion/page/2/#findComment-2317645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 (edited) the full bit from the Chapter Information thread over in the Librarium: • Whirlwinds used during Khellerman Fields Campaign. Over 6,000 missiles fired. 3 squadrons subsequently lost. EPIC Armageddon V5 rules page 81. • Let the Galaxy Burn, pg. 695, Unthinking Justice. • Ultramarine Successor: 2nd Founding. C:SMv5 pg. 8, C:SMv3 pg. 47 ( named in Apocrypha of Davio M33), Codex: Angels of Death pg. 7, Codex: Ultramarines pg. 9, WD288 pg. 112 • 455M41: Recorded as annihilated at the Siege of Goddeth Hive. Current status unknown. C:SMv5 pg. 24 • Legion Astartes Daily Rituals. C:SMv3 pg. 48 • Ultramarine, 2nd Founding Successor. Chapter Approved 2002 pg. 117 • Picture. Codex: Ultramarines pg. 42 • Armor example. Space Marine Collectors Guide pg. 3 • How to Paint Space Marines pg. 77 • How to Paint Space Marines pg. 84 • The Colors of War. GW Catalog and Hobby Reference 2004-05 pg. 335 • Codex Chapter. Insignium Astartes pg. 9 • Codex Chapter. Shoulder trim denotes company color. Insignium Astartes pg. 58 • Chapters of the Adeptus Astartes poster (out of print). Art of Warhammer 40k pg. 70-71 • Fight the Black Legion (under the command of Dangar the Blood Reaver) on Baliaris Majoris. 356M38. WD223 pg. 56 Edited March 14, 2010 by Vodunius Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194316-successor-chapters-of-the-ultramarines-legion/page/2/#findComment-2318268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Gaius Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 I dont know if its canon but i remember one of the consuls, thinking its black, worships our Emperor as a god. that'd be important to put in there Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194316-successor-chapters-of-the-ultramarines-legion/page/2/#findComment-2318340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Only if you have a source. If not, can't go in as it rests in the unofficial pile. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194316-successor-chapters-of-the-ultramarines-legion/page/2/#findComment-2318360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cptn. Palladorus Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 I dont know if its canon but i remember one of the consuls, thinking its black, worships our Emperor as a god. that'd be important to put in there That's the White Consuls. It comes from Dark Creed, and while I haven't yet read it myself, I've heard that it's more of a "they might" situation than a "they do". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194316-successor-chapters-of-the-ultramarines-legion/page/2/#findComment-2318750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 I did the Genesis Chapter symbol the day before I left for spring break, so you don't have to worry about that. Just FYI. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194316-successor-chapters-of-the-ultramarines-legion/page/2/#findComment-2318842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted March 15, 2010 Author Share Posted March 15, 2010 Well done, Brother-Librarians. I think I managed to get everything that people posted. Let me know if I missed something. Okay, my quest to do these in alphabetical order was stymied from the very start! We must now backtrack to the Aurora Chapter! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194316-successor-chapters-of-the-ultramarines-legion/page/2/#findComment-2318997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bystrom Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 (edited) Codex SM v5 pg25 picture and The armoury of the Aurora Chapter boasts more Predators and Land Raiders than three other Space Marine Chapters combined. Their name has become a byword for armoured assault across the entire Ultima Segmentum. pg30 Chapter Homeworld: Firestorm pg44 Participated in the fight against the World Engine (pg.49:926.M41) [...] and no less than fifteen Space Marine task forces, including elements from the Ultramarines, Astral Knights, Invaders and Aurora Chapters, [...] Other things of note, that the Astral Knights sacrificed themselves to destroy it, and in the ruins of their flagship, the Battle Barge Tempestus, seven hundred and seventy-two arbalstone statues stand, watched over by a score of living guardians, marines from the dozen disparate Chapters. Set amid the ruins of Safehold (last planet attacked by the World Engine), the garrison has known representatives from each of the Chapters that fought at the Astral Knights' side. pg48 Participated in the Zeist Campaign (pg. 40:303999.M41) The Iron Lords sent Devastator squads, the Aurora Chapter a Predator spearhead and [...] Marneus Calgar sends Sicarius and the 2nd Company to the Zeist sector to halt the Tau advance. Word was sent to all nearby Chapter, asking for aid. By the time Sicarius struck Augura, the Tau staging post, the force had swollen to nearly Chapter strength (amongst others the Aurora). Augura's fortresses were smashed, its shipyards and weapons factories destroyed. Tau expansion ended. Sicarius disperses his armies as Imperial Tarot predicts dire times ahead, the forces of the Adeptus Astartes were needed elsewhere. pg118 Painted Aurora Scout Also, for the Black Consuls, you haven't mentioned anything about: pg69 Most Drop Pod assaults comprise only a handful of craft. However, it is not unknown for entire Chapters, such as the Invaders or the Black Consuls, to commence their campaigns with a massed Drop Pod landing. Edited March 15, 2010 by bystrom Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194316-successor-chapters-of-the-ultramarines-legion/page/2/#findComment-2319061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
apologist Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 (edited) Aurora Chapter In addition to Bystrom's post (cheers!): The Knight of the Raven Chapter have been sent on an 'arduous deployment' as 'penance for coming to blows with Brother-Marines of the Aurora Chapter, a conflict ended only by the intervention [of] Marneus Calgar'. [Codex: Space Marines 2009, p28]. Their Chapter homeworld, Firestorm, is in the Ultima Segmentum, directly east of the galactic core, and relatively close to the core. The Aurora Chapter Predator 'Harbinger of Death' (Mar Pattern MkIV, Destructor pattern; autocannon turret, heavy bolter sponsons) fought alongside the Chapter's First Company during the Goru Heresy. The Heresy involved chaos cultists – but no further info is given [Imperial Armour Vol II [DATE?], p31]. Alongside the White Consuls, the Aurora Chapter took part in the Liberation of the Ophidian Subsector, rescuing Inquisitor Javes Thysser of the Ordo Xenos. [Malleus, Dan Abnett, 2001, pXX*] The Great Triumph that followed this victory, took place on Vogel Passionata saw the entire Chapter take part in the parade. One hundred marines accompanied fifteen Rhinos bearing the dead (whether this is specifically the dead of the Aurora Chapter is not specified) near the front of the parade. They bore black-ribboned placards bearing the names of the dead. The remainder of the Chapter then followed, 'all in full, polished, imperator armour'. [Malleus, Dan Abnett, 2001, pXX*] +++ Genesis Chapter Mentioned as a Primogenitor in the Apocrypha of Davio [Codex: Space Marines 2009, p8]. 'First among the Primogenitors', and 'dogmatically loyal to the memory of Roboute Guilliman', the Genesis Chapter are some of the Ultramarines closest allies [Codex: Space Marines 2009, p24]. Chapter world: Newfound. It is located Galactically corewards from Ultramar, and is in the Ultima Segmentum. It is near the Charadon Sector [Codex: Space Marines 2009, p30]. The Chapters engaged Waaagh! Irontoof in 998 M41, alongside the Ultramarines [Codex: Space Marines 2009, p31]. A scout sergeant in Genesis Chapter colours appear on p120 of Codex: Space Marines 2009. In 997.M41 the Genesis Chapter, alongside the Death Strike Chapter, executed a series of Exterminatus missions on worlds in the Ulik Sector as part of a burned earth strategy against Hive Fleet Leviathan [Codex: Tyranids 2010, p29] +++ Inceptors Mentioned as a Primogenitor in the Apocrypha of Davio [Codex: Space Marines 2009, p8]. +++ Libators Mentioned as a Primogenitor in the Apocrypha of Davio [Codex: Space Marines 2009, p8]. +++ Novamarines Mentioned as a Primogenitor in the Apocrypha of Davio [Codex: Space Marines 2009, p8]. They are mentioned as being 'scattered through the galaxy' and having not fought at Chapter-level deployment since 'the early years of M37' [Codex: Space Marines 2009, p25]. They have operated/are operating alongside the understrength Invaders on the 'doomed planet of Skyfall' [Codex: Space Marines 2009, p27]. Their Chapter world is Honourum, corewards of the Ghoul Stars, rimwards of Baal, and to the Galactic East of the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath. It is in the Ultima Segmentum [Codex: Space Marines 2009, p30]. 998.M41: A group of Novamarines, organised into 'Taskforce Septus', have been attacked by Chaos Space Marines believed to be in the employ of Huron Blackheart (so Red Corsairs?) This is listed as an ongoing engagement, and is occurring to the galactic north of Honourum. [Codex: Space Marines 2009, text on p31; illustration p30]. A Novamarines scout biker appears on p118 of Codex: Space Marines 2009. Took part in the 'Luxor Uprising' – [Imperial Armour Vol II [DATE?], p20] +++ Patriarchs of Ulixis Mentioned as a Primogenitor in the Apocrypha of Davio [Codex: Space Marines 2009, p8]. The Ultramarines have maintained the Honour Company at the Cadian Gate for many millennia, rotating officers and squads from Ultramar, as well as warriors from the Ultramarines' many successor chapters to guard the Cadian Gate.The current commander of the Honour Guard is Captain Echion of the Patriarchs of Ulixis Chapter, a veteran leader of many centuries of service fighting the servants ot the Ruinous Powers. It is unusual, though far from unheard of for an officer not of the Ultramarines Chapter to lead the company, though with the Chapter's resources stretched by Tyranid incursions on the Eastern Rim such a situation is set to become more common. (My emphasis)– [The Eye of the Storm – Space Marine Chapters fighting in the Eye of Terror, WD 286(UK)]. +++ Praetors of Orpheus Mentioned as a Primogenitor in the Apocrypha of Davio [Codex: Space Marines 2009, p8]. Their technological lore is 'second only to the Adeptus Mechanicus' [Codex: Space Marines 2009, p25]; and that has led some to believe that the two organisations are tied by more than simple service in the name of the Emperor's. They are highly active in systems near Pavonis [Codex: Space Marines 2009, p25]. Their Chapter World is Orpheus Prime [Codex: Space Marines 2009, p31]. They treat the 'dwindling technologies of Mankind without superstition' [Codex: Space Marines 2009, p70] Dreadnought 'Numine' of the Chapter's 6th Company is a MkIV, and is shown with a loadout of multi-melta and power fist. He bears his personal motto Dei Sub Numine Viget – [Imperial Armour Vol II [DATE?], p138]. A multi-melta sentry gun, noted as part of Strike Force Naarsika, took part in the Jotun Repression – [Imperial Armour Vol II [DATE?], p177]. +++ White Consuls White Consuls Founding: Second1 Chapter Master: Co-Chapter Masters Cymar Xydias and Titus Valens2 Chapter Planet: Sabatine3 Fortress-Monastery: Unnamed, but described as being ‘Back on Sabatine[...]High in the mountains’4 Colour Scheme: White primary / blue secondary5 Organization & Tactics: Orthodox Codex6 Battle Cry: Possibly “For Guilliman!”7 Background: The White Consuls are a second founding Chapter, and one of those named Successors to the Ultramarines Legion (Apocrypha of Davio) [Codex Space Marines, 2008, p8]. They are thus one of the Primogenitor Chapters [ibid. p14]. It is noted that the genetic lineage of Roboute Guilliman is clear in the features of at least some White Consuls [Dark Creed, 2010, p125]. The White Consuls seem to follow the Codex closely, and have close links to the Ultramarines: some White Consuls are drawn from Ultramar itself [ibid, p34]; and at least some are tutored by the finest minds of the Ultramarines [ibid. p76]. Their Chapter symbol is a blue Eagle’s head on a white field, and their uniform is a reverse of their parent Legion, with white as the main colour and blue as their secondary. Veterans thus have a blue helmet etc. Company colours are still marked by shoulder trim [Codex: Ultramarines, 1995, p42]. It is not clear whether the veteran and ninth company are thus reversed; or indeed, if the company colours are identical to the Ultramarines or a variant. Veterans are described in Dark Creed as wearing blue helmets and blue tabards over their white armour, and were bedecked with purity seals and military decorations [Dark Creed, 2010, p159]. Known examples painted by the ‘Eavy Metal team vary the colour of the chest eagle. They are one of the ‘Astartes Praeses’ Chapters, a group of twenty Chapters who are dedicated to guard the Eye of Terror [Codex: Eye of Terror, 2003, pXX]. This group is also called the ‘Adeptus Praeses’ [Dark Creed, 2010, p74]. Unusually, the White Consuls are part of the Imperial Cult, and seem to worship the Emperor as a god [Dark Creed, 2010, pp202, 401]. Chapter World Their Chapter World, Sabatine, is located to the galactic west in Segmentum Solar, south of the Eye of Terror [Codex Space Marines, 2008, p.30]; but the Consuls ‘[are] spread far and wide, battle-brothers and companies located across more than fifty systems at any one time’ . For this reasons, it has ‘served the Chapter well to have [a] pair of co-rulers’ [ibid. p75], the two Chapter Masters Cymar Xydias and Titus Valens. In addition to their Chapter Planet Sabatine, the White Consuls rule a number of other ‘protectorate systems’ [ibid. p80], including the Boros system, detailed in Dark Creed. They rule ‘[the Boros System] with a benevolent hand [...] all eighteen inhabited planets and two-dozen colonised moons and asteroids – were afforded liberties and a quality of life undreamed of in many regions of the Imperium’ [Dark Creed, 2010. p26]. Two White Consuls – a Proconsul (the senior officer [ibid. p35]) and Coadjutor (the junior) – rule Boros Prime directly [ibid. p26]. The other protectorare systems have a similar system of rulership by a Proconsul and Coadjutor [ibid. p80]. Boros Prime, the capital planet of the Boros system, holds the city of Sirenius Principal [ibid. p24]. The White Consuls are revered with ‘awe bordering on worship’ by the majority of the inhabitants [ibid. p26]. This is not officially encouraged, but nor is it discouraged. It is protected by the star fort Kronos, the size of a small moon and the ‘largest space station in Segmentum Obscurus’ [ibid. p26] (n.b. Sabatine is located in Segmentum Solar according to Codex: Space Marines). Every battle-brother must serve as a Coadjutor in the years after rising from the rank of neophyte (scout) [ibid. p36], but only selected veterans are chosen to act as Proconsuls, and the thirty years service in the post is a requirement to become a sergeant or officer in the Chapter [ibid. p37]. The White Consuls are a ‘fleet-heavy Chapter’ [ibid. p80], and have three immense battle barges and more than a dozen strike cruisers. Two thirds of the fleet is permanently stationed patrolling the borders of the Eye of Terror. Chapter Master Xydias mentions a group of White Consuls: ‘the Praetorian squads of Sabatine itself’ [Dark Creed, 2010, p80]. No further details are given. The White Consuls ‘report banishment of Greater Daemon tentatively identified as the Fateweaver’ in an operation directly south of the Eye of Terror [Codex: Space Marines, 2008, p.31] Fleet Battlebarges (n.b. Four are mentioned by name in Dark Creed; though it is also mentioned that the Chapter only possesses three in the same title): Divine Splendour [Dark Creed, 2010, p81] Righteous Fury [ibid. p81] Sword of Deliverance [ibid. p113] Sword of Truth [ibid. p113] Strike Cruisers ‘At least tweleve’ [ibid. p80] Eternal Faith; holding the entire 2nd Company [ibid. p115] Sacred Blade [ibid. p116; To Cleanse The Stars, 2007?, pXX?] Hermes [ibid. pXX?] Frigates Both Nova and Gladius class are noted as belonging to the fleet [Dark Creed, 2010, p113] Notable figures/vehicles Including titles and physical descriptions where possible: By the events of Dark Creed, Chapter Master Cymar Xydias had ‘reigned as Chapter Master for almost twelve hundred years’, and ‘was a severe warrior with an angular face. [...]He wore a long cloak and a metal wreath of ivy on his balding head [...] Lean and hawk-like.’ [Dark Creed, 2010, pp75–76] . Chapter Master Titus Valens is: ‘a thick-necked warrior [with a] massive frame’ ; with cropped sandy hair speckled with grey and a broad, blunt face [ibid. p76]. He is later described as ‘a massive warrior[...] bedecked in gleaming Terminator armour, a billowing blue tabard across his body. A golden metal Halo framed his head. In his right arm he held a thunder hammer. Across his left arm was strapped a crackling storm shield shaped like an oversized crux terminatus.’ [ibid., pp75, 76, 114, 116, 239] . Chapter (?) Champion: ‘A warrior armed with power sword and buckler, his blue crusade-era helmet adorned with a red crest of stiffened hair’ [ibid. p240]. Captain Augustus of 2nd Company [ibid. p117]; ‘A tall white crest rose above his gold-edge helmet. his pristine white armour was heavily artificed, and a rich blue cloak with gold thread was thrown back over his shoulders. Gleaming claws slid from the sheaths of his power gauntlets Captain Sulinus of 3rd Company [ibid. p202] Acting-Captain (Sergeant) Pollo Dardanius of 3rd Company [ibid.205] Captain Marcus Decimus of 5th Company [ibid. pp82, 114]. Captain Cato Paulinus of 7th Reserve Company [ibid. p114]. Chapter Serfs ‘were bigger, stronger and more disciplined than regular men, and had arms and armour equivalent to Imperial Guard storm-troopers.’ They serve on board White Consul vessels [ibid. p121]. Epistolary Liventius: ‘blue-armoured [...], [his] face was heavily lined and drawn, as if all the moisture had been drained from his flesh’ [ibid. p190]; he appears armed with a force halberd. The ‘White Angel’; Lord Gaius Aquilius of 5th Company, Dux Militari, Coadjutor of Boros Prime [ibid. p28]. On official duties inspecting the Boros 232nd regiment, he wears a blue tabard with the Eagle Head heraldry of the Chapter. Brothers Severus Naevius and Lucius Castus; Sternguard Veterans. Castus has a plasma gun in Dark Creed , Naevius has an ornate boltgun [ibid. p400]. A Mk VI Razorback, armed with twin lascannons, appears in I:A II. It is noted as 'a vehicle of the First Company, deployed to defend the Cadian Gate as part of the Chapter's commitment to the 'Astartes Praeses'' – [Imperial Armour Vol II [DATE?], p53]. Whether this implies that the entire First Company is permanently deployed, or this is simply a reference to this particular Razorback (more likely, in my view), is debatable. A Damocles Command Rhino of the 5th Company appears in the same publication. Based on this and the previous Razorback, it appears the White Consuls denote company markings on Rhino-based vehicles with chevrons on the upper part of the exhaust stacks. – [Imperial Armour Vol II [DATE?], p81]. The same source notes that the entre Chapter was deployed to protect the Cadian Gate against the 13th Black Crusade, as a consequence of being one of the Adeptus Praeses. Notable Campaigns 12th Black Crusade (aka the Gothic War) – participated [battlefleet Gothic rulebook, DATE?, pXX?] 13th Black Crusade – All ten companies deployed and participated [Codex: Eye of Terror, 2003, pXX?]. Scouring of Lethe – Participated alongside the Grey Knights and the Ordo Malleus in the destruction of the Flame Falcons Chapter [battlefleet Gothic rulebook, DATE?, pXX?]. Alongside the Aurora Chapter, the White Consuls took part in the Liberation of the Ophidian Subsector, culminating in the purging of the Wyrd-kin and the subsequent victory parade on Vogel Passionata [Malleus, Dan Abnett, 2001, pXX*]. Unlike the Aurora Chapter, it is never mentioned the strength in which they appear. They are described as 'glittering and terrifying' [Malleus, Dan Abnett, 2001, pXX*]; and were directly in charge of guarding the imprisoned Alpha-level psykers. A Sergeant Kurvel appears in the Vogel Passionata Great Triumph, and is described as 'particularly large' [Malleus, Dan Abnett, 2001, pXX*]. References: 1. Codex: Ultramarines, 1995, p42(?); Codex Space Marines, 2008, p8 2. Warhammer 40,000, 5th edition; Dark Creed, 2010, p75 3. Codex Space Marines, 2008, p.30; Dark Creed, 2010, p75 4. Dark Creed, 2010, p75 5. Codex: Ultramarines, 1995, p42 6. Dark Creed, 2010, p158 7. Dark Creed, 2010, p159 (n.b. the quote as follows: ‘’For Guilliman!’ the Captain of the White Consuls bellowed, a cry echoed by his bodyguard before he broke into a charge.’ However, it is quickly followed by ‘The other Consuls pressed in behind them shouting war cries of their own’, so it is possible this is simply a personal warcry.) +++ Hope that's useful! *Unfortunately, I have the omnibus edition of the Eisenhorn books, so can't provide accurate page references. If it helps anyone else get them, they're all near the start of Malleus. Edited March 15, 2010 by Apologist Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194316-successor-chapters-of-the-ultramarines-legion/page/2/#findComment-2319258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cptn. Palladorus Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 "Aurora Chapter: Shoulder pad rim shows company colour." -- Insignium Astartes, p. 51. "Aurora Chapter: This Chapter is also one of the First Born and as such is very similar to the Ultramarines in details of its heraldry and organisation. They follow the great tradition of strict adherence to the Codex." -- Codex: Ultramarines, p. 42. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194316-successor-chapters-of-the-ultramarines-legion/page/2/#findComment-2319377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
apologist Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 Does anyone have the following novels? I've sleuthed-up a load of rather obscure references, but don't have the original novels. If anyone does, and fancies helping out, it'd be great to get confirmation along with a publication date and specific page references. ;) Warrior Coven Black Consuls: Sergeant Pelius, assault sergeant. On secondment to the Deathwatch. Warrior Brood White Consuls: Brother(?) Nelius, Terminator-armoured veteran. On secondment to the Deathwatch. Warriors of Ultramar White Consuls: Brother Pelantar, armed with heavy bolter. On secondment to the Deathwatch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194316-successor-chapters-of-the-ultramarines-legion/page/2/#findComment-2319636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 (edited) The novel Dark Creed contains the most detailed look at the White Consuls so far. EDIT:Dark Creed 2009 Pg. 26, the White Consuls Proconsul and coadjutor rule Boros system. Pg 34. Proconsul Ostorius of the White Consuls is Ultramar born Pg 37. Thw White consuls have a ranking system of Coadjutor and Proconsul. Every battle brother serves as a Coadjutor, but only a few veterans become Proconsuls. Pg75 The White Consuls have two Chapter Masters.Cymar Xydias Titus Valens, one patrols the Eye of Terror while the other directs operations from Sabatine. The chapter’s fortress monastery is located ‘’high in there mountains’’. Cymar has been Chapter Master for 1200 years. Pg.80, the White consuls have 3 battle barges and more than a dozen strike cruisers. They are Divine Splendor and Righteous Fury. The Consuls are spread far and wide across fifty systems. A unit called the Praetorian squads are mentioned as guarding the homeworld, but nothing elaborating beyond that. Pg 82. Pg.190 The Captain of the 2nd is names Augustus, the Captain of the 5th is Marcus Decimus. Captain Sulinus commands the third. Pg 114, the Captain of the 7th is Cato Paulinus. A battle barge named the Sword of Deliverance is named Pg. 189 lists the last battle barge as the Sword of Truth Pg. 402. Almost five full companies of the chapter are lost. This is just the tip of the iceberg, there are other White Consuls mentioned, however they are all very minor characters and I shall do them later. The White Consul seems to be a fairly divergent Codex Chapter, they reference the codex several times in the novel and are implied to revere it, yet they have two Chapter Masters and a system of protectorship. Apparently, it not outright said but implied that the White Consuls recruit from their protectorate worlds and from Ultramar itself. However this book contains contridictions. Such as saying the Consuls have 3 Battle Barges yet naming four. A ship is described as a strike cruiser one page, and then called a battle barge on another. Despite this it is the largest and most detailed look at the Chapter. Edited March 15, 2010 by Gree Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194316-successor-chapters-of-the-ultramarines-legion/page/2/#findComment-2319642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
apologist Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 Hey Gree – I'd been researching Dark Creed, so I've dropped in the info in my earlier post. Apologies for ninja-editing you! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194316-successor-chapters-of-the-ultramarines-legion/page/2/#findComment-2319693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 (edited) It's fine, no need to apologize. I added some details that you missed. Edited March 15, 2010 by Gree Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194316-successor-chapters-of-the-ultramarines-legion/page/2/#findComment-2319711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
apologist Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 Cool; just didn't want you to have to go to all the effort of scouring the text again – it was a pretty involved job. I thank the heavens the other Primogenitors don't have novels about them yet! :blink: Now, back to the Aurora Chapter (apologies for the big post above, mods – I got a bit carried away with research). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194316-successor-chapters-of-the-ultramarines-legion/page/2/#findComment-2319721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 Does anyone have the following novels? I've sleuthed-up a load of rather obscure references, but don't have the original novels. If anyone does, and fancies helping out, it'd be great to get confirmation along with a publication date and specific page references. :blink: Warrior Coven Black Consuls: Sergeant Pelius, assault sergeant. On secondment to the Deathwatch. Warrior Brood White Consuls: Brother(?) Nelius, Terminator-armoured veteran. On secondment to the Deathwatch. Warriors of Ultramar White Consuls: Brother Pelantar, armed with heavy bolter. On secondment to the Deathwatch. Yes, I do, but there's almost no information that they provide. Sorry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194316-successor-chapters-of-the-ultramarines-legion/page/2/#findComment-2319732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 (edited) "The Praetors of Orpheus Chapter occupy a subterranean base called the Labyrinthe Orphia, on Beta Entebes II" Imperial Armour volume II, page 9. Praetors of OrpheusA multi-melta sentry gun, noted as part of Strike Force Naarsika, took part in the Jotun Repression – [Imperial Armour Vol II [DATE?], p177]. Typo correction: its Naasirka (its also one of the vilani megacorporations in the RPG Traveller, which GW used to publish under license) Edited March 15, 2010 by Vodunius Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194316-successor-chapters-of-the-ultramarines-legion/page/2/#findComment-2319802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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