Pulse Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 It's not that unbelievable. It's unbelievable that he'd have any sort of chance of scratching Horus. A Custode might nick him but that's about it. What matters is that an average human soldier saw, literally, Hell's chosen look like he was on the verge of casting down the (God) Emperor. That soldier showed more faith and loyalty to the Emperor than Horus ultimately did and even though everyone on that bridge knew Ollanius didn't have a chance Ollanius acted anyway, out of defiance towards Horus and love of the Emperor. Much better that than some one dimensional, faceless Custode wandering in to exhibit little in the way of emotion or relatability before going all red-shirt. Boring. Tedious. Unnescessary power-armour porn when we could have Ollanius. Yes we all get its meaning, it isn't so complex people can't understand. To be fair, no one knows why he was there (if indeed he was, which i doubt and so must the writers for getting rid of him). There are probably thousands of reasons why he could have turned up, it isn't just a black and white "I WILL INTERVENE FOR THE SAKE OF HUMANITY!!!" moment, although for propaganda reasons Imperial Scholars will say it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Overlord Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 People keep having a go at Dorn for failing to protect the Emepor with 7 years preparation, but let's not forget that if Dorn had 7 years to prepare, Horus did too... Not really...Horus was battling his way to Terra all those 7 years, not sitting in one spot waiting for the enemy to come. The Imperial Palace did not fall to the enemy, but it nearly did. Loyalist victory. The Imp Fists were massacred in the Iron Cage. I like the Imperial Fists (for loyalist scum anyway ;) ), so what I am saying is not biased at all. Doesn't matter if somone says the Fist's won a "moral victory" or whatever, they were massacred, and the Iron Warriors got away with bucketloads of tasty Loyalist geneseed. Traitor victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 The Imperial Fists would probably have been wiped out if the Ultramarines didn't intervene. Much as the Imperial Fists rock the Iron Warriors had them on the ropes but Perturabo wouldn't utterly destroy them when he had the chance. (I'm sure the IW suffered in the Iron Cage too of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Overlord Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 The Imperial Fists would probably have been wiped out if the Ultramarines didn't intervene. Much as the Imperial Fists rock the Iron Warriors had them on the ropes but Perturabo wouldn't utterly destroy them when he had the chance. (I'm sure the IW suffered in the Iron Cage too of course). Yeah I completely agree, both Imperial Fists and iron Warriors are awesome but both took a beating in the Iron Cage (Fists more so than the Warriors). If the Ultras didnt arrive, the Fists would have been destroyed eventually. I think somewhere says they were literally using the corpses of their battle-brothers as cover, so they werent exactly doing great. I think the reason Peturabo did not completely crush the Fists before the Ultras arrived was because he was little occupied with sacrificing IF geneseed to become a Daemon Prince. Between the choices of killing your arch enemy, and living for all eternity (when you can kill your arch enemy later), I know what I'd choose. :) On a side note, I would love to do an Iron Cage campaign with huge apocalypse battles in gigantic trench fields of barbed wire and bunkers. Imagine the awesomeness... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Yes, the Imperial Fists did have seven years and still did a poor job. The Palace never actually fell though, so their preparations were not all in vain. Dorn's boasts that it was 'impregnable' were silly though. 3 Legions & a Castle versus 5 Legions & Daemons, 2 Legions. The White Scars were defending the Lions gate spaceport. And the traitors had several Titan Legions (the Imps had one), millions of traitor guard and armour pieces. And don't underestimate daemons. Because they can be summoned and re-summoned, they are effectively without number. yet they are about to crush it within 3 months. Except they aren't, that's the whole reason Horus dropped his shields. Dorn designed and built a fortress which he held until he was relieved. Doesn't seem like a poor job to me. Are we sure that it was Horus who dropped the shields ? I thought I read somewhere that Little Horus dropped them.. A common fan theory, but nothing concrete, yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Look what I found over at DakkaDakka. Good to see the Ultramarines receiving some more coverage and even better to see some Salamanders material! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stickwicky Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 GW's whats new today has a page of contents for the new book in it, along with what legions the stories will feature... Sorry, can't provide a link. Scott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Alright, let me summarize from the link. Rules of Engagement: Ultramarines. No word on author yet. Possibly McNeill? Liar's Due: Written By James Swallow. Nothing on what Legion though. Forgotten Sons: Written by Kyme. It says Salamanders, but Kyme has confirmed on his blog that it will feature Ultramarines as well. The Last: Written by Jon French. Never heard of this guy. This story could be anything. Rebirth: Wraight's story about the Thousand Sons and what seems to be another Legion. Face of Treachery: A story by Abnett features Sons of Horus and Raven Guard. No title yet. As a Black Legion player I'm looking forward to that one. Iron Within: Written by Rob Sanders. The Legion should be obvious. Savage Weapons: A-D-B's tale. He's already talked about it a few times before on various forums I believe. That seems to be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 So somebody other than Mcneill is doing Iron Warriors? This could be good seeing as how Mcneill has become completely unreadable to me, and I'm not having him kill my enjoyment of factions anymore, but has anyone ever read anything by this Sanders character? Apparently he wrote something about Imperial Guard. Anyway, looks promising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Face of Treachery seems to be about the Raven Guard whilst the Sons of Horus have their own separate story. The book seems to contain 9 stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khestra the Unbeheld Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 So somebody other than Mcneill is doing Iron Warriors? This could be good seeing as how Mcneill has become completely unreadable to me, and I'm not having him kill my enjoyment of factions anymore, but has anyone ever read anything by this Sanders character? Apparently he wrote something about Imperial Guard. Anyway, looks promising. Redemption Corps was one of the more. . .interesting IG-based books, very much in the same vein as The Last Chancers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 So somebody other than Mcneill is doing Iron Warriors? This could be good seeing as how Mcneill has become completely unreadable to me, and I'm not having him kill my enjoyment of factions anymore, but has anyone ever read anything by this Sanders character? Apparently he wrote something about Imperial Guard. Anyway, looks promising. Sanders wrote Redemption Corps, a Stormtrooper-based Guard novel. I was..........less than impressed with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augustmanifesto Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 on this business of Perturabo could have wiped out the Imperial Fists at the Iron Cage at any moment but chose not to and the defense of the Imperial Palace. 1.a There are two basic sources on the Iron Cage: the Iron Warriors Index Astartes entry and the Imperial Fists index Astartes entry. these sources conflict, each giving a tale more generous to their respective Legions, not surprisingly. The Iron Warriors entry reports that they could have finshed the Fists off at any moment, the Imperial Fists entry reports that the Iron Warriors tried but were unsuccessfull because they lacked the faith necessary for the sacrifices victory demanded. thus, while it is indesputable that the Imperial Fists suffered extreme casualties, it is not accurate to say they could have been wiped out at any moment but were not simply because the decision was not made. 1.b Nor is it entirely accurate to portray the Iron Cage as a situation in which the Imperial Fists were simply bested by the Iron Warriors in the traditional sense. According to the Imperial Fists Index Astartes article, in his emotional state, Dorn intended to incurr heavy losses so that his legion would be hardend and willing to accept the Codex Astartes 1.c If any of this is trying to challenge the martial awesomeness of the VII legion, bear in mind that the legion had more combat honors than any other Legion other than the Luna Wolves and after the Heresy, systematically dismantled the Iron Warriors empire. <_< 2. The Imperial Palace held despite being hugely outnumbered. Dorn's statement on the defenses were that it would hold provided it was adequately manned; evidently it was adequately manned for the length it held but not for any longer. This quite astonishing, also given that essentially all of the Titan Legions were loyal to Horus. In fact, it is embarrassing to Perturabo that he could not crack the defenses with such superior power. just a few facts for the discussion :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted November 27, 2010 Author Share Posted November 27, 2010 Savage Weapons: A-D-B's tale. He's already talked about it a few times before on various forums I believe. What? Where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 Savage Weapons: A-D-B's tale. He's already talked about it a few times before on various forums I believe. What? Where? Somewhere on Warseer, don't ask me to give a link, it was a while ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 Savage Weapons: A-D-B's tale. He's already talked about it a few times before on various forums I believe. What? Where? Mosstly, in this thread. Starts of TFH-based, then becomes more DA-oriented. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=214221 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted November 28, 2010 Author Share Posted November 28, 2010 Oh.... I'm still waiting for TFH and I don't like reading spoilers so I avoided this thread.... Soooo.... DA vs NL? Sounds great. I don't need to know anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted December 9, 2010 Author Share Posted December 9, 2010 http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/Excusive-...Tour-Dates.html Extract from Iron Within. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctus Cornix Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/Excusive-...Tour-Dates.htmlExtract from Iron Within. Its not a bad start, a little hard to understand certain parts but meh. Rather disappointing though that he constantly changes pitch and tone of his words, going from the beginning of an epic tale in flowery tone to just casual talking, then back to flowery, the technical detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Going by comments on Black Library Bolthole (From a fan who was at Games Day) it appears that McNeill is indeed writing ''Rules of Engagement'' for the Ultramarines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted December 15, 2010 Author Share Posted December 15, 2010 Age of Darkness extract from ‘Forgotten Sons’ http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/Excusive-...ss-Extract.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 That ended just as it started to get really interesting, dag-nabit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razhbad Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Has anyone got round to reading this yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khestra the Unbeheld Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Has anyone got round to reading this yet? I read it in May, when it's due for release, but I haven't gotten around to inventing the time machine to come back to now to tell you what I thought of it yet. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razhbad Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Well i had no time machine but i did buy a copy at Black Library Live. Only read 3 of the shorts so far: Rules of Engagement Little Horus Savage Weapons All are very good, ADB has done the best so far, i plan on reading Rob Sanders one next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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