Jarl Bloodwolf Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 In one of the first 3 Horus Heresy books a primarch (I think it was Horus though it may have been Dorn or Sanguinius) stated that each of the primarchs represents a facet or trait of The Emperor. What I am wondering is which primarch represents which trait of the Emperor, I have a few ideas but I thought I'd see what all of you thought. Jonson- Ambition Fulgrim- Pride Perturabo- Logic Khan- Freedom Russ- Stubborness Dorn- Honesty Curze- Sense of justice Sanguinius- Divinity Ferrus- Inner Strength Angron- Loyalty Guilliman- Drive for order Mortarion- Magnus- Arcane gift Horus- Charisma Lorgar- Faith Vulkan- Self Reliance Corax- Alpharius- Intelligance Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204577-the-primarchs/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Lacerus Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 ok im sorry to make a non productive post but i had to say something. you assigned Angron-Loyalty. really? you gave one of the primarchs that fell to chaos very easily Loyalty. lol thats awesome. i do not mean to offend im just bustin your chops cuz i think its funny but you might want to rethink that one. other than that it looks ok. ill give it a more useful review after some sleep. but i am curious why you gave him loyalty? what are your thoughts on him? to me it just doesnt fit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204577-the-primarchs/#findComment-2439556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacewolf75 Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 I'd say Mortarion was intensity or pure strength. That was the Death Guard's purpose, according to all the IA I've read; to be the anvil in the line that troops dashed themselves against, only to be crushed by the hammer of a counterattack. Perturabo would likely be pure logic. Corax, perhaps swiftness?Dunno about Ferrus or Khan. Ill think about those two later on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204577-the-primarchs/#findComment-2439565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Bloodwolf Posted June 19, 2010 Author Share Posted June 19, 2010 ok im sorry to make a non productive post but i had to say something. you assigned Angron-Loyalty. really? you gave one of the primarchs that fell to chaos very easily Loyalty. lol thats awesome. i do not mean to offend im just bustin your chops cuz i think its funny but you might want to rethink that one. other than that it looks ok. ill give it a more useful review after some sleep. but i am curious why you gave him loyalty? what are your thoughts on him? to me it just doesnt fit. True Angron wasn't very loyal to The Emperor but he was loyal to his men. In fact in Angrons fluff he originally refused to join the Emperor and instead opted to fight and die with his men in their last stand against his former masters even though he knew his forces would be wiped out. He was forced to abandon his men when the Emperor teleported him away from the battle and onto his ship. So while Angron wasn't loyal to the Emperor he did have a strong sense of loyalty in him. That's why I choose him as representing loyalty Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204577-the-primarchs/#findComment-2439573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerelius Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 sorry brother but this topic has been done to death Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204577-the-primarchs/#findComment-2439584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Bloodwolf Posted June 19, 2010 Author Share Posted June 19, 2010 Really? I've never seen a post about what primarch represents which of the Emperors traits? that could just be me though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204577-the-primarchs/#findComment-2439587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Lion = Honour? Russ = Stubborness? I think you got these two confused. Really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204577-the-primarchs/#findComment-2439985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Bloodwolf Posted June 19, 2010 Author Share Posted June 19, 2010 Lion = Honour?Russ = Stubborness? I think you got these two confused. Really. A little more input on how I got them confused would be appreciated haha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204577-the-primarchs/#findComment-2440081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Rathul Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Jonson- Lies Fulgrim- Drive to achieve his goals Perturabo- emo Khan-biker guy Russ- Barbaic/party Dorn- Stubborn Curze- Batman Sanguinius- Divinity Ferrus-small hands guy from Burger king commercial Angron- Angry form of chuck norris Guilliman- Drive for order Mortarion-Cold(always sick) side Magnus- Tattle tail Horus- Spoiled Lorgar- Faith Vulkan- Innovation Corax- Alpharius- Intelligance Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204577-the-primarchs/#findComment-2440089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Bloodwolf Posted June 19, 2010 Author Share Posted June 19, 2010 Jonson- Lies Fulgrim- Drive to achieve his goals Perturabo- emo Khan-biker guy Russ- Barbaic/party Dorn- Stubborn Curze- Batman Sanguinius- Divinity Ferrus-small hands guy from Burger king commercial Angron- Angry form of chuck norris Guilliman- Drive for order Mortarion-Cold(always sick) side Magnus- Tattle tail Horus- Spoiled Lorgar- Faith Vulkan- Innovation Corax- Alpharius- Intelligance Not exactly what I ment when I created this. I'm not against jokes but this isn't about bashing the primarchs, lets keep it productive Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204577-the-primarchs/#findComment-2440096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Alpharius- Intelligance I think that describes the Alpha Legion perfectly. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204577-the-primarchs/#findComment-2440097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Rathul Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 sorry, couldn't resist :D Jonson- Honor Fulgrim- Drive to achieve his goals Perturabo- Wanting(jealousy) Khan- Russ- Impulsive Dorn- Stubborness Curze- Sense of justice Sanguinius- Divinity Ferrus- Angron-Anger Guilliman- Drive for order Mortarion- Calm(levelheaded) Magnus- Gifted Horus- Leader Lorgar- Faith Vulkan- Innovation Corax- Alpharius- Intelligance Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204577-the-primarchs/#findComment-2440102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calgar101 Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Whilst it would be great and handy to have each Primarch represent one of the Emperors facets that is not really the case as some of them over lap; Aplharius and Magnus are both his intelligence or thrist for knowlegde etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204577-the-primarchs/#findComment-2440111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Alpharius did not strike me as someone that is trying to gain more knowledge. He just tries to outsmart or mislead everyone else. Guilliman on the other hand is noted to first having learned everything concerning history, science and philosophy his home world had to offer, then after being found by the Emperor he assimilated all the wonders of the Imperium, and then he collected all the finest doctrines and tactics, even those from other Primarchs, into his Codex Astartes. When Guilliman offered that collected wisdom to Alpharius, he dismissed it because he felt he already knew better. If there are two scholars among the Primarchs then it's Magnus and Guilliman, but where Magnus' research was focused specifically on the arcane, Guilliman's research was more focused on topics of warfare, history, philosophy, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204577-the-primarchs/#findComment-2440133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Bloodwolf Posted June 19, 2010 Author Share Posted June 19, 2010 Whilst it would be great and handy to have each Primarch represent one of the Emperors facets that is not really the case as some of them over lap; Aplharius and Magnus are both his intelligence or thrist for knowlegde etc. Of course there are traits that overlap I mean Russ and Angron had short tempers, Horus and Guilliman where great leaders, Sanguinius and Magnus had psychic abilities, Dorn and Perturabo where masters at seige, Vulkan and Ferrus Manus where great craftsman. There are always going to be overlapping traits I mean they are genetic brothers. But each Primarch also exemplifies a specific trait or characteristic that they inherited from the Emperor. That is what this is based off of, Alpharius did value knowledge in that it allowed him to outsmart his opponent but his main drive was to prove himself to his brothers. Magnus valued information for the simple reason of knowning more could prove usefull to the Imperium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204577-the-primarchs/#findComment-2440144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harc_Staven Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Sanguinius holds them all “Sanguinius. It should have been him. He has the vision and strength to carry us to victory, and the wisdom to rule once victory is won. For all his aloof coolness, he alone has the Emperor's soul in his blood. Each of us carries part of our father within us, whether it is his hunger for battle, his psychic talent or his determination to succeed. Sanguinius holds it all. It should have been his...” -- The Warmaster Horus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204577-the-primarchs/#findComment-2441086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Bloodwolf Posted June 21, 2010 Author Share Posted June 21, 2010 Sanguinius holds them all :P “Sanguinius. It should have been him. He has the vision and strength to carry us to victory, and the wisdom to rule once victory is won. For all his aloof coolness, he alone has the Emperor's soul in his blood. Each of us carries part of our father within us, whether it is his hunger for battle, his psychic talent or his determination to succeed. Sanguinius holds it all. It should have been his...” -- The Warmaster Horus Ok it was Horus who said that I just couldn't remember and din't want to look through my book so thank you Harc_Staven for posting that. And while Horus believed on his death bed that Sanguinius should have been Warmaster this topic isn't about which primarch has the best traits. Its about which primarch represents which aspect of the Emperor :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204577-the-primarchs/#findComment-2441128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calibanknight Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 ....Um I would have to say it goes like this to me, call me out on a mistake. Jonson- Secrecy Fulgrim- Perfection Perturabo- Logic Khan- Speed Russ- Ferocity Dorn- Loyalty Curze- Fear Sanguinius- Purity Ferrus- Endurance Angron- Rage Guilliman- Drive Mortarion- Stubbornness Magnus- Knowledge Horus- Charisma (I agree) Lorgar- Faith (also agree) Vulkan- Self Reliance Corax- Tactics Alpharius- Cunning All in all I play these games In my head, and this the result. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204577-the-primarchs/#findComment-2441141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Bloodwolf Posted June 21, 2010 Author Share Posted June 21, 2010 ....Um I would have to say it goes like this to me, call me out on a mistake. Jonson- Secrecy Fulgrim- Perfection Perturabo- Logic Khan- Speed Russ- Ferocity Dorn- Loyalty Curze- Fear Sanguinius- Purity Ferrus- Endurance Angron- Rage Guilliman- Drive Mortarion- Stubbornness Magnus- Knowledge Horus- Charisma (I agree) Lorgar- Faith (also agree) Vulkan- Self Reliance Corax- Tactics Alpharius- Cunning All in all I play these games In my head, and this the result. See I just can't see Jonson representing the Emperors secretive side because before the heresy jonson had no secrets, heck even now after the heresy he has no secrets. The Dark Angels are the ones keeping secrets, not The Lion himself. The primarchs aren't responsible for what their legions do after they are gone and the now chapters are only acting in the ways that they believe their primarchs would have wanted. So just because a chapter displays a certain trait dosen't mean that the primarch did. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204577-the-primarchs/#findComment-2441230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Johnson was a self interested Primarch. He was ambitious as we see in the two DA novels and was more interested in furthering his own goals than the security of the imperium. Horus and Johnson were both very ambitious, but i agree with you that Charisma best represents the Warmaster. So i would suggest Ambition or selfishness as Johnson's trait (ambition sounds much better). I would suggest freedom as the Kahn's trait. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204577-the-primarchs/#findComment-2441350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Well I can't see Jonson being secretive especially since they're not that good at keeping secrets :) (the Wolves know about the Fallen). The Alpha Legion is more secretive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204577-the-primarchs/#findComment-2441381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 (the Wolves know about the Fallen) That's news to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204577-the-primarchs/#findComment-2441581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Bloodwolf Posted June 21, 2010 Author Share Posted June 21, 2010 Johnson was a self interested Primarch. He was ambitious as we see in the two DA novels and was more interested in furthering his own goals than the security of the imperium. Horus and Johnson were both very ambitious, but i agree with you that Charisma best represents the Warmaster. So i would suggest Ambition or selfishness as Johnson's trait (ambition sounds much better). I would suggest freedom as the Kahn's trait. I like both of those. I will amend the list (the Wolves know about the Fallen) That's news to me. Me as well. Source? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204577-the-primarchs/#findComment-2441595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Ok, Russ was known for his 'no tolerance' policy regarding people who broke oaths, became traitors, sullied his honour etc. while the Lion was known to be a Primarch similar to Dorn; he will follow his quest through to the end, no matter the consequences. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204577-the-primarchs/#findComment-2441751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Bloodwolf Posted June 21, 2010 Author Share Posted June 21, 2010 Ok, Russ was known for his 'no tolerance' policy regarding people who broke oaths, became traitors, sullied his honour etc. while the Lion was known to be a Primarch similar to Dorn; he will follow his quest through to the end, no matter the consequences. Ok so what traits are you saying they represent from the Emperor? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/204577-the-primarchs/#findComment-2441896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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