celes Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 I've always had problems with camo, but one thing I've learned is that you need to vary the sizes of the shapes that you paint on. In your case I might suggest larger blocks of bleached bone to imitate rocks, then thinner lines in snakebite leather made to look like dry grass or the edges of sand dunes. It pays to think about the elements in the model's environment that you're trying to emulate and above all; continued experimentation is key. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212123-sons-of-orar-blog/page/11/#findComment-2705137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zincite Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 The pattern itself looks fine to me, but the colors look a bit darker than the bases? Better than anything I could do anyway. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212123-sons-of-orar-blog/page/11/#findComment-2705247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 That's turned out alright. Let's hope the glue fairy and the modelling fairy are smiling when you attach that thing, eh? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212123-sons-of-orar-blog/page/11/#findComment-2705280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravendove Posted March 29, 2011 Author Share Posted March 29, 2011 Scout Update So in the end, after several attempts, I settled on a camo pattern. It's a basecoat of Snakebite Leather with additional patches of Bleached Bone, Bestial Brown and Scorched Brown. It was a bit bright for my liking, so I did two washes: Gryphonne Sepia first and Devlan Mud second. Here are the before and after pictures. http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5178/5571669374_b6e7627e84_z.jpg http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5020/5571084289_1e1285f0a3_z.jpg Yeah... that's right. Shotgun, bitches! http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5136/5571670502_5d40953115_z.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212123-sons-of-orar-blog/page/11/#findComment-2705367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplain belisarius Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 very nice! (your girlfriend sounds like a keeper by the way! ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212123-sons-of-orar-blog/page/11/#findComment-2705374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattison Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Okay, everything you do is very much to my liking. It's very rare that I'm enthusiastic about each and every work of someone, including my favourite blogs here on B&C. So I may announce now that you have an official fan, ha-ha! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212123-sons-of-orar-blog/page/11/#findComment-2705694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHunters Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 What Pattison said! Really thinking hard about stealing that camocloak idea as, in the words of Mr E Murphy, that is filth floren filth! FTE Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212123-sons-of-orar-blog/page/11/#findComment-2705826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Hey Ravendove, Great work you're doing, the red is quite frankly amazing. The only criticism i have is about the sons of orar symbol on the rhino. They look too much like upside down ultramarines symbols to me. I think it would look better if you added two little tips on the end, like the symbol on the right: Just my opinion, though. Keep it up. That IS what the Sons Of Orar symbol is. It's just an upside-down version of the Ultramarines' Agemo symbol (which itself is an upside-down version of the Omega symbol). And, ironically, you've kinda got it backwards. Behold! Agemo - ℧ <---has the little bits you suggest adding. Omega - Ω <---sans the little bits you suggest adding. Also, AWESOME army. You wore out my scrollin' finger by making me look at every page. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212123-sons-of-orar-blog/page/11/#findComment-2705869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Bannon Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Saweet! It turns out that I'm working on my Scouts with cloaks and have been sweating the camo scheme ... so .... YOINK! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212123-sons-of-orar-blog/page/11/#findComment-2706454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCC Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Ah, now that's some nice camo Ravendove :P That said, I kinda like the clean 'before' pic too, but you know me and my clean Marines, eh? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212123-sons-of-orar-blog/page/11/#findComment-2706458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravendove Posted March 30, 2011 Author Share Posted March 30, 2011 Ah, now that's some nice camo Ravendove :D That said, I kinda like the clean 'before' pic too, but you know me and my clean Marines, eh? Me too! But a little too bright. Maybe I'll try a darker selection of colours to start with rather than washing them. Or wash the cloak for shading before adding the camo. Oh decisions decisions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212123-sons-of-orar-blog/page/11/#findComment-2706576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattison Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 My suggestion would be to use the same method simply with more layers of more diluted washes instead of less heavier washes. This way the pigment would concentrate more on the recesses and won't darken the whole cloak this much. Washes are great for pieces such as cloaks, so I wouldn't pick darker colours, and adding the camo pattern after the wash would "remove" them from the natural shades of the cloak. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212123-sons-of-orar-blog/page/11/#findComment-2706686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Id just do a diluted wash instead, it'd smooth the colours into each other without darkening them down so much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212123-sons-of-orar-blog/page/11/#findComment-2706715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravendove Posted April 1, 2011 Author Share Posted April 1, 2011 Well, here's the next cloak, before washing. http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5025/5579581665_59e6cec4ef_z.jpg Here it is, next to the previous cloak, with a diluted Devlan Mud wash. http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5103/5580169528_122bd29029_z.jpg While the left one arguably looks more like camo, the right one works more like camo it feels. That is - the colours and pattern are more subtle and you can't really pick it out, which is what camo is supposed to do, right? Or do I need to go back to the drawing board on this one? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212123-sons-of-orar-blog/page/11/#findComment-2709275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan The Deamon Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 the right one is perfect, don't change it! Camouflage isn't supposed to look like anything, it's intention is to trick the eye into passing over it and paying it little to no attention. There's the artistic perspective, which is keeping the left cloak colorful and full of contrast, where you can tell it looks like camouflage, and there is the reality of the right cloak, which works like camouflage. Since you know where the scout is by his base, model, and other properties you don't need to have the camo pattern stick out to achieve the feel of it, let people go looking for it and when they notice the little subtleties and all of the accuracy, and effect the pattern has, they will admire the piece even more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212123-sons-of-orar-blog/page/11/#findComment-2709288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulkan454 Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Yes keep the right one. As DtD above said about the artisticness of it, but I prefer it looking quite realistic. Keep up the great work. Now I'm off to read the past 10 pages of this amazing thread. Vulkan Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212123-sons-of-orar-blog/page/11/#findComment-2709521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravendove Posted April 2, 2011 Author Share Posted April 2, 2011 Thanks for your replies. I agree, the darker cloak is the way to go. What I've also done is added some highlights in Bubonic Brown on the tips of the folds in the cloak. This helps add a little bit of definition, which is almost essential in a 28mm model, as it gives the eye some help in making out the dimensions of the cloak. Anyway, here's a photo of the finished cloak -- with flash, so you can make out where the shading lies. In reality the cloak is a fair bit darker, but you can still make out the pattern if you look closely. I'm very happy with the finished result. http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5092/5582347730_4a6a7cf16a_z.jpg *click click* Thug life! http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5173/5582348772_b6c5a9888a_z.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212123-sons-of-orar-blog/page/11/#findComment-2710110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iago Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Very nice, love the clean colours the cammo is excellent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212123-sons-of-orar-blog/page/11/#findComment-2710193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulkan454 Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Great scouts :tu: The cloaks really fit with the red armour which is nice, you have also nailed the camo IMHO so well done. Keep up the great work. Vulkan Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212123-sons-of-orar-blog/page/11/#findComment-2710280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravendove Posted April 2, 2011 Author Share Posted April 2, 2011 Just started work on the Scout Sergeant. Haven't decided on the exact equipment setup yet, but it might be Shottie, Powerfist and Meltabombs. Here is the rough pose I'm considering. Giving a 'hold' order with his hand, heavy powerfist low down. If I add a shotgun, I was thinking of having it slung over the right shoulder. Meltabombs.. hmm, not sure where they will even fit. Obviously, camo cloak and gap filling yet to be green stuffed. The cloak would be resting over the fist a little, so it really be 'hidden', hehe. Alternatively, might have the head facing right a little more (ie. towards the camera in the first picture), with the Fist thus resting behind his back. Would need to change the angle of the other arm though. http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5140/5583086042_654bdcb1e0_z.jpg http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5107/5582500427_11a46f126f_z.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212123-sons-of-orar-blog/page/11/#findComment-2710337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplain belisarius Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 looking good...:) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212123-sons-of-orar-blog/page/11/#findComment-2710988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayesh Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 i did something similair with one of my scout sgts, but had him kneeling, holding a shotgun, ill try to find a pic for you found them here on this post - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...=190421&hl= some of the pics area little blurry but you get the idea, i scrapped the knife on the sgt and added a biker shotgun arm Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212123-sons-of-orar-blog/page/11/#findComment-2710992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravendove Posted April 4, 2011 Author Share Posted April 4, 2011 i did something similair with one of my scout sgts, but had him kneeling, holding a shotgun, ill try to find a pic for you found them here on this post - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...=190421&hl= some of the pics area little blurry but you get the idea, i scrapped the knife on the sgt and added a biker shotgun arm I love your Scouts, fantastic poses there. I particularly like the double hand grip on the Bolt Pistol. Here's a variant pose on the Sergeant, holding the binoculars instead as if he just spotted the enemy. http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5093/5588519776_1e977aafbd_z.jpg Some more green stuff work on the arm. Still cabling and servos (to support the power fist) to be added. Obviously I've still got the cloak to sculpt. http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5173/5587927681_9ef04d7eaa_z.jpg I figured I would also show you how the green stuff cloaks are coming on. I've used Milliput to make a press mold and green stuff to make the actual cloak. I used regular cooking oil to keep the two from sticking to eachother. Then it's just a case of carefully prying the green stuff out when dry, attaching it to the model and using more green stuff to sculpt the additional folds around the shoulders and neck. http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5098/5588515680_1ce46f7f0f_z.jpg http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5252/5588516686_52d09b9d82_z.jpg http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5265/5588517928_07ae510d19_z.jpg http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5030/5587925083_768322b737_z.jpg http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5101/5588518982_62d6b2bd3a_z.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212123-sons-of-orar-blog/page/11/#findComment-2711809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogan Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Wow - a truly great example of copyright inf... wait, must not use the c-i-words... casting you show here. :-) Jokes aside, with those scouts, you're my hero. I've never been able to cast a single icon or detail; perhaps because I used green stuff for the mold and the cast. Perhaps I'll try it your way soon. Concerning the painting, it's top notch, as always. I love your clean and crisp red, and the black's highlights are extremely well done, too. Maybe one point of criticism, although I could be mistaken, is the kneeling scout's clothing. Either his right leg (from our point of view) seems to be way darker than the rest of the training suit, or his left leg is to bright. Not sure - it's somehow getting me confused. :-D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212123-sons-of-orar-blog/page/11/#findComment-2711828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravendove Posted April 4, 2011 Author Share Posted April 4, 2011 Yeah, while Green Stuff is great for sculpting it's generally inferior for using as a mold. Milliput dries absolutely rock hard, so retains detail very well. Concerning the painting, it's top notch, as always. I love your clean and crisp red, and the black's highlights are extremely well done, too.Maybe one point of criticism, although I could be mistaken, is the kneeling scout's clothing. Either his right leg (from our point of view) seems to be way darker than the rest of the training suit, or his left leg is to bright. Not sure - it's somehow getting me confused. :-D Ah, I see what you mean. The natural light in the room is a bit iffy. It seems darker because it's slightly in the shade (from the Shotgun) due to the way the light falls. You can see the same effect with the left arms (our view) when comparing the two scouts. Both arms are painted exactly in the same way, but the left Scout's seems a lot lighter - again, due to the bright light coming from that side. All cloth areas are painted Kommado Khaki with Bleached Bone highlights, Graveyard Earth/Devlan Mud in the recesses. Sorry, I'll try to take some better photos once the squad is finished. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/212123-sons-of-orar-blog/page/11/#findComment-2711841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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