Kildrech Crusade Modeling Diary

[Dono1979]

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This army started out as Templar Crusade force, I tried for a long time to maintain my dedication to the GW Black Templar Codex but last faith in it about twelve months ago and converted the entire army to a Tyrants Legion, and then shortly after Betrayal came out, into a Legion by modifying some of the unit compositions, it now sits at around 15k, plus another 10k-15k of imperial Army once the rules arrive.

 

There will be a lot of references to Black Templar through the first dozen pages,

 

Legion Crusade 

 

HQ

1 Praetor in PA (Boarding Shield and Paragon Blade)

1 Praetor/Centurion in TDA

1 Centurion in PA

1 Champion Consul in TDA

1 Primaris Medicae Consul in TDA

1 Chaplain Consul in TDA

3 Chaplain Consuls in PA

1 Forge Lord in TDA

5 man Command Squad (WIP)

 

Elite

2 Apothecaries in PA

1 Techmarine in PA

4 Servitors

2 Dreadnoughts

1 Contemptor Dreadnought

3 Rapier Laser Destroyer Battery

20 Terminators

10 Veteran Marines

 

Troops

60 Tactical Marines

20 Breacher Siege Marines

20 Recon Marines

10 Tactical Support Marines

20 Assault Marines

 

Fast Attack

6 Outrider Bikes

3 Attack Bikes

3 Landspeeders

10 Seeker Marines

 

Heavy Support

10 Heavy Support Marines

3 Predators

3 Vindicators

1 Assault Ram

1 Landraider

2 Whirlwinds

 

Transports

7 Rhinos

2 Drop Pods

1 Lucius Drop Pod

1 Dreadclaw

 

Lords of War

1 Malcador Assault Tank

1 Typhon/Cerberus

 

 

Ad Mech Allies

 

HQ

1 Castellan Reductor (WIP

4 Servitors (WIP)

 

Troops

10 Thallax

 

Transports

3 Ad Mech Landraiders (WIP

 

Lords of War

1 Warhound Titan

 

 

The following pages will be pretty pic heavy....

 

Cheers

Dono

[Marshal Rohr]

Only Marshal's have Sword Brethren.

[Acebaur]

To go along with what M2C said, Castellans don't command crusades. They may command fighting companies, but not entire crusades. That is the job of a Marshal.

 

Other than that though, looks good. I like that the keep has been "slumbering" as you said.

[Dono1979]

To go along with what M2C said, Castellans don't command crusades. They may command fighting companies, but not entire crusades. That is the job of a Marshal.

 

Other than that though, looks good. I like that the keep has been "slumbering" as you said.

 

My bad, the B&C Black Templar Guide made mention that smaller crusades could sometimes be led by Castellans and that the Punishment Crusade was one such Cusade led by Castellan Draco. I can change it around a little and not have Gregor be part of the original force and instead have him be a Marshal dispatched with the reinforcement team and have Guillaume lead the Crusade squad initially?

 

Cheers

Dono

[Marshal Rohr]

Being on Crusade is different from the organizational designation of Crusade, one is a mindset and mission the other is a group of fighting companies led by a Marshal and his household.

[Dono1979]

Ok so after a fair few things happening (finished building a house, move into the house, got married, went on honeymoon for a month) I have finally got some progress on my Black Templar army and its accompanying DK Imperial Guard army. Straight up though I am not a converter (I murder things when I have attempted) and have limited experience with kit bashing, so the bulk of the army will be kit bashed or just kind of standard. I am also really, really sucky at painting and after spending the money on the models I dont have any intention of destrying them with my finger painting skills so they will be painted by someone else for me. So basically this is going to be a progress of the army coming together.

 

The DK Imperial Guard army was largely complete when I got it and I have done some modfications to it and repainted the vehicles, plus added some Templar icons to them all to tie them in a little with the Kildrech Crusade fluff. I wont put a complete list of what I have here only cause it is mainly about the Templar (unless people ask me to).

 

The final breakdown and composition of the Kildrech crusade is as below (I will try and get some pics up in the next couple of days):

 

20 Neophytes (split across the squads as required):

Made from normal scout torso and legs, with black Templar CCW & BP's as well as BT shoulder pads. I am currently playing with the idea of using DKOK heads on them to tie them back to the fluff (could have a source of 20 DKOK removed from their bodies).

 

4 x 10 man Crusader Squads:

Made from Mk III 'Iron' Power Armour and equiped with Black Templar CCW & BP's, with the Special weapon Initiate using the FW Relic weapons.

Their Rhinos are also capable of converting to a Razorback using the FW Heavy Bolter setup.

 

2 x 5 man Fire Teams:

Made from Mk II 'Crusader' Power Armour and equipped with Black Templar Bolters, with the Special weapon guys using the FW Relic weapons. These Initiates will, fluffwise, be serving Penance for some form of infraction and so they have been forced to use Bolters and refrain actively seeking out the glory of honourable combat.

Their Rhinos are also capable of converting to a Razorback using the FW Lascannon Setup.

 

2 x 5 man Assault Team:

Made from Mk III 'Iron' Power Armour and using Raptor Jump Packs. They will be equipped with BT CCW & BP's, Power Axe for Power weapons, the new FW Power Fist and BT FW Storm Shields when applicable.

 

Sword Brethren (Power Armour):

Made from a combination of a Cloaked back torso, BT tabard front torso, Mk III legs, shoulder and heads and BT Back packs. Armed with Relic Blades as CCW and non GW two handed power swords as power weapons. Probably fantasy empire sheilds as Combat Shields and BT Storm Sheilds when applicable. Plus Back banners with the Cruasdes device.

 

Sword Brethren (TDA):

Basically standard Terminators, but with heresy style shoulder pads to tie in with the Mk III armour and instead of Thunder Hammers, large eviscerator style swords with BT Storm Shields. Hoping the shoulder pads will add enough of a look to them so that they wont seem 'the odd one out'.

 

Dreadnoughts:

Using the Black Templar FW chasis, I am going to then use the Venerable Dread fist on both sides and then custom make the weapon loadouts to clip onto the hands so that the Dread is actually holding the weapon rather then being directly attached to the chasis. Largely using Sentinel weaponry to make the Dread guns which will be underslung and have a handle of sorts. Inspiration

 

Landspeeders:

Using the FW Tempests as counts as with some very minor modifcation for weapon load outs, simply because they look awesome when painted in BT colours and look... well... awesome.

 

Predators & Vindicator:

Nothing special really.

 

Marshal, Chaplain & EC:

Again nothing special, just some bulked out characters with chains and some resin shoulders to tie them into the rest of the army.

 

Attack Bikes:

Just recently I have started looking into the possibilty of getting some Attack Bikes custom made, but they will be Jet bikes, not wheeled. Not much info on these at the moment, but the crew will be built up using Mk III armour (most likely the torso's left over from the Sword Brethren and extra heads bought).

 

 

The general pain scheme through the marines will be gloss black armour with highlights/portions of gold as badges of honour as shown on the GW site for one of the crusades. The amount of gold will increase a bit within the Sword Brethren unit. Eye lenses and purity seal wax will be blue, whilst the Sword Brethren cloaks and tabrads will be Red with Black Crosses on them. Wanting to have all powered weapons and shields (combat and Storm) to have the blue electric look, I've been really struggling to find any examples of 'powered' storm shields though, nearly everything I have found is a standard metal paint scheme, not like they have an energy field crackling around them.

Also having the bottom of their legs pretty muddy to tie them into the IG army as well.

 

Kind of vague on the detail but it is still a little ways off. I will try and post some pics of the completed vehicles and some of the assembled men asap.

 

Cheers

Dono

[Dono1979]

All right the Fire Team squads are part completed, had to wait to get some hobby tools (pin vise, drill bits, greenstuff, magents etc) and am starting to prep them for magnetised arms. Started drilling the bolters and others weapons out, plus started mucking around with making some pre heresy style Terminator heads and discovered I need a much smaller drill bit.

 

But here are some photos of the Fire Teams and some of there weapons in the mean time.

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Hopefully will get most of the magnets in and done by the end of the weekend and can start cleaning and prepping the Mk III armour. With any luck by that time the rest of the drill bits and the terminator parts will have arrived and I can start on them as well. Going is slow though, being my first serious army build.

 

Cheers

Dono

[Dono1979]

Been busy at work and havent done much, also waiting on a few more things to arrive from Ebay which turned up over the last day or so.

 

Basically got the Firing Support Teams done except for the shoulders and also one Crusade Squad done, again except for the shoulders.

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I have now clipped and started cleaning the other 50 models....

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The plan is to use a GS 'stamp' (which I have made taken from the imprint of a BT shoulder pad) to stamp a small piece of GS on each shoulder pad to imprint the BT logo rather then use transfers or free hand. It will give it the 3D texture and also be a little more consistent then freehand. The trial pad went reasonably well considering...

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I just need to trim the stamp edges up a little and then practice a little more.

 

Back to cleaning.....

 

-Dono

[Dennis]

O_O

 

How much money does one have...?! ^_^ Jeeees.. that's allot of Crusade armors..

 

Anyway, looking forward to updates!

[Dono1979]

O_O

 

How much money does one have...?! :) Jeeees.. that's allot of Crusade armors..

 

Anyway, looking forward to updates!

 

Hehe, I thank some lucky sales on Ebay and the great Australian dollar. When it peaked this year it was only costing about $5 more per ten man squads to get FW Heresy armour then brand new plastics GW at the normal price (yes the plastic ones were so much cheaper at that time as well but dont ruin my logic!!). So I thought why not, it would be awesome to have an entire army out of Crusade/Iron armour.

 

-Dono

[Dono1979]

The terminator shoulder pads arrived the other day so I have done up a quick prototype for the termintators.

 

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Also the Jump Packs arrived so I also did a single Assault Initiate to see how they looked (still have to wait on a Templar Storm Shields before fully building those two units).

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Gotta finish building all the 4 squads of Crusaders (the shoulder pads are a bit of a pain being so large and most of the BT right arms are crunched up really tight). Also waiting on some heads for the neophytes but have started putting the bodies together. Need to clear out the bulk, 2 Fire Team Crusaders, 4 Crusader Team, 2 Assault Teams, 3 groups of Neophytes (30 all up), then I will work on the Sword Brethren, Emperors Champion and the two Dreadnoughts and that should be it.

 

(trying to resist the temptation to buy half a dozen Dreadclaws and convert them to Black Templar as Heresy style).

 

-Dono

[Dono1979]

Double Post

 

-Dono

[Dono1979]

Triple Post

 

-Dono

[Dennis]

Don't like the shoulderpads that much (on a BT termie that is), I'm more a fan of the FW's ones, more ornate and BT'ish!

Anyway, don't think the FW SS will fit on the initiates, way to big for them.

The raptor jumppacks actually look quite good on them. Keep it up ^_^

[Dono1979]

Don't like the shoulderpads that much (on a BT termie that is), I'm more a fan of the FW's ones, more ornate and BT'ish!

Anyway, don't think the FW SS will fit on the initiates, way to big for them.

The raptor jumppacks actually look quite good on them. Keep it up -_-

 

Yeah I suspect that the Shields may be a little over sized but I'll see when they get here. The shoulder pads were a toss up as well, although I like the BT FW ones, I was really liking the look of the bolted Iron armour on the Initiates and wanted to bring some of that across to the Terminators. I am pretty happy with them at the moment and will build a five man squad to start with and see how it looks with different weapon load outs.

 

I'm pretty happy with the raptor packs as well, it was a choice between those and some really wide ones from Chapterhouse.

 

Cheers

Dono

[Marshal Rohr]

Needs more tabard.

[Dono1979]

Needs more tabard.

 

True, I am still trying to make reasonable looking ones with Greenstuff but failing greatly. I'm refusing to use just the single front 'tabard' torsos because it isnt a tabard, its an apron, and there are only so many commander cloak backs I can get hold of and use. Hopefully I will get the hang of it soon and be able to produce a few passable ones.

 

The Sword Brethren will be in full tabards along with the IC's. Hopefully once some of the Crusader Seals and suchlike start going on them it will Templar them up a bit more as well.

 

-Dono

[Marshal Rohr]

A gift.

[Dono1979]

You rock!

 

I'll give that a go over the next couple of days and it looks like it will work equally well for the back portion as well. I'll try and get some pics up over the weekend.

 

Cheers

Dono

[Dono1979]

All right had an early mark from work and decided to play with the green stuff and try and follow the tutorial Marshal2 Crusaders showed me. Had to extend the length a bit to make it a full length tabard and then do a paired back one with splits for the backpack. I think I started trying to form the end result too early and the GS was still too sticky and not set enough.

 

The front top half got mangled as I tried a few different things to imprint on it and then accidently pressed on it whilst I was working on the back part.

 

The drape and the folds seem easy enough, the GS itself starts to fold and fall naturally as you move it, especially when you pinch it at the waist to mimic the belt. Which is the next thing, the strip of GS around the waist is not gonna work, I am thinking actually just leaving it as an imprinted flat spot around the waist and relying on the pain to put a belt of sorts there.

 

The back was too wide and again the belt was not working, but I think the back worked out nicely in regards to folds and fall. I just need to get a nice imprint on the front and be a little more careful on the next trial.

 

Although the results weren't what I would like on the Mk III armour, I think I started in the right direction.

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I also figured out why the GS stamps for the shoulder pads were not working in that they were too big, because I took the cast from a terminator shoulder pad :blush:

 

I have redone two more, both from power armour shoulder pads and they are working much better, I am just getting the sides shaved down and the orientation right so that I can stamp the device directly onto the Iron Shoulder Pads after painting the rims with olive oil so the GS doesnt stick there to make it easier to trim.

 

I am torn now, most of the fluff artwork depicts the Templars with painted crosses, not many actually have raised crosses on their shoulders apart from the terminators and EC's. A heap have crusader seals and suchlike on the pads but the crosses themselves appear painted on. So I am wondering whether I should stick with transfers on the Initiates and only do the raised pads on the Sword Brethren?

 

-Dono

[Dennis]

Although I am a 'bit of a fluff junkie', I couldn't care less about the painted crosses. If your freehand is good enough I'd say go for it, but I'm sometimes still struggling with it, and when I don't think it's perfect I ain't going to put it on (yea a bit stupid but ok.. :blush:) that's why I stick with the BT shoulderpad or with the brass etc from FW.

 

The GS works looks pretty good, apart from what your saying. I think you'll have to let the GS settle more. I've made some banners for WotR/Fantasy and I did that by making a square first, settled it for more then 30min, and then gently removed the GS from the tile, made folds in it and when I thought it was good I let it settle for 24h. Perhaps an idea for ya.

 

Edit:

Ah, I suddenly see more pics.

I think its in the good direction. The frond tabard looks kinda off though. I personally would not make tabards on the MKIII/II armor if the tabards are not getting better then this one. But that's a personal opinion. I'd rather stay with a good paintjob and no tabard, then a initiate with a floppy tabard (might sound kinda harsh, but I honestly think this way, that's why my MKIII's don't have a tabard as well).

Try to practice more on other mini's, tiles or even remove the GS from this model and try again! You might even think of making a small piece of plasticcard, stick that on the model between the legs and model the lower tabard on that. I've seen other people do that as well.

[Dono1979]

Thanks for the feedback Dannis, I am starting to solidify my thoughts in that same direction with the shoulder pads. I will try and stamp out a few, but I think trying to stamp more than 140 shoulder pads and expecting them all to turn out great is a little optimistic. Perhaps the original plan will be the one with the Sword Brethren getting the raised shoulder pads and the brethren transfers.

 

I tried the next batch of tabards, but I fear that I waited too long this time, it was waaay too hard to manipulate the GS and it simply wasnt holding its shape when I tried to put creases and suchlike through it, it would just slowly 'bounce' back. So I decided to continue with it and put it on the proto terminator to see if I could make him look a little more Templarish with his heresy shoulder pads and grey knightish head.

 

Although the back split and didnt crease very and the front fought me for a while, I think that putting tabards on the Terminators may become a priority, I really think that it changes them for the better, even with the crap one that I did.

 

Before

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After

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I'm of the same opinion though, if I cant perfect the tabards for the Initiates I am not going to try making dodgy ones and ruin awesome looking armour.

 

-Dono

[Dennis]

I like the lowerpart of the proto termie. With a little practice that can turn out pretty good. You might want to practice a bit more with the folds on the chest though. But you could always make that later on.

On a side note, I remembered an article from the blogger Ron, from FTW. Here's a link.

[Dono1979]

I like the lowerpart of the proto termie. With a little practice that can turn out pretty good. You might want to practice a bit more with the folds on the chest though. But you could always make that later on.

On a side note, I remembered an article from the blogger Ron, from FTW. Here's a link.

 

 

Cool I will give those ones a try as well. I also think I may have just found a source of very fine chain linking, which will solve the problem of the belts, at least on the Terminators.

 

The Sword Brethren will be wearing the Black Templar plastic tabards with cloaks and so wont need anything. So it is basically down to whether I can get the tabards looking good enough for the Initiates as to whether they will get issued with them or not. It could be that the Sword Brethren end up getting all the toys... raised shoulders, tabards, massive swords.

 

Thanks again to everyone for their help.

 

Much appreciate it,

Dono

[FallenLion]

loving the bottom half of termies tabard, but the top half should go imho. Or tear it to show the eagle underneath - looks better imo.

on the tac' tabard I love the back but not so keen on the front - again chest eagle?

[feel free to ignore this post, its all personal preference]

 

love the shoulders on the termie

hate the jump-pack, strikes me too much like chaos Raptors [DoW player]

 

not sure I like the whole crusader armour for the whole crusade, veteran honour perhaps? or 1st comp' equivalent?

 

nice clean paint job will look out of place here I think, lots of battle damage - its very old armour :)

loving the powerfist mini though :)

 

 

good luck and may you purge the unclean

sean :)