Prospero

[Clewz]

I believe the results would of been fairly similar no matter which Primarch and legion were sent. Perhaps some would of asked Magnus to surrender himself a bit more than Russ did (well a lot more) but I really can't see the Emperor ordering anything but destruction for the Thousand Sons themselves

[Iron_Adam]

If I were the Emperor, I would have sent either Russ or Horus, I think the sheer magnitude of Horus and his legion in all aspects would have been able to do it, and the symbolism of the head of the army defending the Emperor would have lasted. It could have probably been done more tactfully too. Russ makes sense too because its always the Fenrisians who do the dirty jobs, and this is one of the dirtiest.

 

Not Ravenguard, too small

Not world eaters too blunt

not word bearers to busy elsewhere

not imperial fists, not suited

ultramarines... maybe --> sheer numbers helps

Dark angels maybe, best tacticians

Blood angels maybe, less death, more chance at peace

 

and im not real sure about the rest.

[Codicier Lucion]

I'd possibly suggest Iron Warriors. Perturabo was calculating but seemed at least somewhat reasonable, perhaps actually asking Magnus to surrender before going in guns blazing, and the legion would be suited to siege warfare against planets.

 

Possibly the Death Guard to play upon Mortarion's hatred of Magnus though and make him determined to bring him back.

[Corsair]

Iron Hands.

 

Coldly logical, utterly loyal, and I believe their frame of mind combined with their extensive augmetics would also help protect them from the more subtle psychic manipulations if it came to blows.

 

Plus, assuming everything else played out as normal, Ferrus wouldn't have rushed in like a tool against the traitors on Isstvan, and the Wolves would have been there instead, which could have altered the way that whole situation played out quite significantly.

[Ubermensch Commander]

Except I reckon Magnus might well have been able to persuade Curze to stand with him. Curze would understand gifts that have bad side effects - and hating the Emperor.

 

Perhaps, but it is quite likely Curze would have had a similar reaction to Magnus and his brood as he did to the Word Bearers and Lorgar. What did he say? "You are so much more than merely foul. You are rancid in your corruption."

Sending Curze to take them out may have actually appealed to Curze's warped sensibilities, demonstrating a willingness to see justice done no matter the target.

[Epistolary Exander]

I think sending any of the traitor Primarchs to apprehend Magnus has its merits on paper. The benefit of sending 1 or multiple of the traitor Primarchs would of been that the Emperor was giving them a highly symbolic show of faith. Which should of helped to relieve some of the negative feelings the traitor Prinarchs had for the Emperor & making Horus's job of converting them a lot harder. I know this argument would not of worked on Lorgar but he was probably the only Primarch & legion who could of beaten the Thousand Sons with out the Custodes or the Silent Sisterhood. Mainly due to how his legion outnumbered the Thousand Sons 10 to 1 & their chaos sorcery would of been useful to ;)

 

The important thing to remember is that all the legions knew after the Nikkea that anyone & their follows would become enemies of the Big E & were promised they would be ruined if they used their psychic abilities. Anyone who would been sent to Prospero would have almost certainly have to exterminate the 1K Sons because of the Nikkea Edict, whether or not Magnus joyfully skipped into their custody. What Horus essentially did was overturn the Emperor's arrest order on Magnus & manipulated Russ into trying to murder Magnus. Horus was able to do this because he is a skilled/ gifted orator & manipulator of people, he knew how to work his peers to achieve his goals. Potentially any Primarch who would be sent to apprehend Horus would of coerced to into following Horus's bidding.

[Sons of Horus]

Night Lords.

[Captain Idaho]

I think the logical alternative to the Space Wolves was the Death Guard. Incredibly tenacious and with a hatred for sorcery, the Legion would be a fine choice to persecute the Thousand Sons.

 

And let's not forget the hatred Mortarion held for Magnus nor his experience opposing those creatures with sorcerous powers on his home world.

[Epistolary Exander]

Any legion being sent in to destroy the Thousand Sons would be essentially facing 9000+ chaos sorcerers, which the prospect even scared the wolves & they know its their traditional job to do such tasks. A combined task force formed of elements from multiple legions would probably be the best bet to overcome the odds facing any invading army on Tizca. I believe it was clear from the Thousand Sons novel the Wolves only were only able to largely destroy the Thousand Sons due the outside involvement of Magnus (undoing & hindering Prospero's defences) & Tzeentch (turning hundreds/ thousands of sorcerers into spawn).

 

What legions would be best used to build such a task force up & who lead such an expedition?

[Trel]

I would not send the Night Lords. As much as I like them, they are not a Legion that relishes a fair fight. Their extensive psy-ops are a result of trying to tip the balance in their favor as much as possible.

 

I would have sent the (otherwise occupied) Imperial Fists. Their very name suggests they are the right tool for the job: the Emperor needs something punched...hard. They're a large legion, numerically speaking. Their fleet is one of the mightiest in the Imperium.

 

Moreover, Dorn's disdain for the psyker was exceeded by his respect for the Emperor. If the Emperor said, "Don't kill him, just bring Magnus in," then that's exactly what Dorn would do, probably even to his own detriment.

 

Additionally, I think the presence of Dorn instead of Russ would have made Magnus more amenable to talking, since Dorn was a little more level-headed than Russ.

[SanguineSon]

Except I reckon Magnus might well have been able to persuade Curze to stand with him. Curze would understand gifts that have bad side effects - and hating the Emperor.

 

It's possible however Curze was a VERY troubled man indeed. Especially when you factor in his occasional visions, I think predicting his actions is a particularly tricky feat.

[Brother-Kezek]

I believe the Iron Hands would have been a good choice. They are very cold and machine like. Destruction was the only option for the 1K sons. Magus almost turned Earth into a deamon world. I don't think "I'm sorry daddy", would have been enough to make that one go away

[Epistolary Exander]

I would suggest either the Dark Angels or the Ultramarines would be ideal for tackling the Thousand Sons. Both legions were relatively large, contained plenty of Librarians for defence against 1K Sons psychic attacks & were lead by strategically brilliant Primarchs.

[Zynk Kaladin]

Am I missing something? I thought the Emperor didn't explicitly want to wipe out the 1K Sons. Rather Horus, as Warmaster with the authority of the E, ordered their destruction.

 

In terms of what the Emperor wanted (though you could argue what he TRULY wanted): bring Magnus back to Terra (probably for a spanking), I would think Sanguineous would have been a good 2nd choice for bringing one eye home. The angel is very kind to his brothers and probably would have approached the situation with empathy and diplomacy. Sanguineous is the type that would go out of his way to help a brother in need and would ensure no blood is shed on the matter.

 

However, if you argue the Emperor's true intent was to destroy another legion, then I would argue the World Eaters would be a decent enough choice. What they do is in their name.

[Iron_Adam]

I agree with zynk, I don't think the emperor wanted the whole legion destroyed, I think he was open to the possibility of it happening, hence sending in the wolves. But I am willing to bet something like removing Magnus from his legion and placing the marines under the dominion of another primarch was what was intended. Remove all the psykers and assign them to one or many of the legions. I am also willing to bet that the emperor was going to enslave Magnus in the throne to power the astromonican, as punishment.

[EPK]

I am also willing to bet that the emperor was going to enslave Magnus in the throne to power the astromonican, as punishment.

 

Pfft. Serving mankind in such a capacity is no punishment. :thanks:

 

I'd say regardless of the legion that accompanied him, the Emperor should have realized the gravity of the situation and went himself. Or even Horus, being his proxy would have made more sense considering his rank. Sending brother against brother, two polar opposites of each other, never seemed like a good idea if the intent was to escort Magnus back to Terra... of course now we realize who really orchestrated the deed.

[Grimtooth]

I am going to say no one.

 

Round peg in the round hole. The Emperor knew who to send and traitorous Horus knew who to send with "extra" instructions.

[DV8]

Any legion being sent in to destroy the Thousand Sons would be essentially facing 9000+ chaos sorcerers, which the prospect even scared the wolves & they know its their traditional job to do such tasks. A combined task force formed of elements from multiple legions would probably be the best bet to overcome the odds facing any invading army on Tizca. I believe it was clear from the Thousand Sons novel the Wolves only were only able to largely destroy the Thousand Sons due the outside involvement of Magnus (undoing & hindering Prospero's defences) & Tzeentch (turning hundreds/ thousands of sorcerers into spawn).

 

What legions would be best used to build such a task force up & who lead such an expedition?

 

Wut? ^_^

 

From the outset the Thousand Sons have always been a vastly smaller Legion; the flesh mutation that afflicted them resulted in the vast majority of their Astartes being killed before Magnus struck the unholy pact that both saved and damned them.

 

Yes, the Wolves were able to approach Prospero completely by surprise and without incident because of Magnus' intervention, but make no mistake that the sheer size and ferocity of the attack would have seen the Wolves landing on Prospero regardless. Would they have taken more casualties? Yes. But they had superiority of numbers (the Wolves outnumbered the Thousand Sons many times over) and unleashed aggression on their side. They would have driven a spear through the heart of Prospero with full force.

 

As to the OP's question, who to send to Prospero.

 

To pursue a diplomatic solution, with military action a last resort? My first choice would be Sanguinius and his Blood Angels. Second would have been Roboute Guilliman and his Ultramarines.

 

To pursue complete annihilation of the Thousand Sons? Without doubt or hesitation, Angron and his World Eaters.

 

 

DV8

[Epistolary Exander]

From my understanding from the discription of the battle of prospero from "A Thousand Sons" & "Prospero Burns". After the 1k Sons emerged & engaged the Wolves they not only held their line they started to push the Wolves back, literally slaughteriing Wolves, Custodians alike. At the very moment it looked like 1k Sons were going to maximise their advantage 100/0s of 1K Sons started to turn into spawn or be comsumed by their own tutelaries. Literally the Thousand Sons line consumed itself forcing the 1K Sons to fall back to establish a new line, from which point it became apparent Wolves would win. All the Wolves numbers & savagery did was allow them to take advantage of Thousands Sons misfortune. Even at this point in the battle the Wolves legion had sustained grevious casualties to the point the legion was reduced to about 6K marines all due to abilities of Thousand Sons entire legion being prodigious psykers.

 

This result is not even including what the affects would of been to the Imperial prosecution force if Tzeentch had interfered with the Wolves fleet in the Warp & if Magnus had fought from the start of the battle. I say this because it is not unknown for entire fleets to become lost in the warp etc. While Magnus killed atleast dozens if not hundreds of Wolves just be looking at them when he emerged from his own pyramid.

 

From this evidence I believe any legion sent to Prospero on this mission is going to be in for a severe mauling.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

yea, that was because it was written from a TS point of view from a good but not gifted author. i think abnett all too brief views into the battle at large were more balanced.

 

but any legion, invading any other legion's homeworld, is in for a severe mauling.

especially if they are aided by daemons...

 

 

WLK

[Ju'kosian]

I believe the original plan of the Big E was that Magnus would be brought back and that maybe Magnus could be convinced to take place in the golden toilet..

Unknowingly Horus prevented that and drove Magnus straight into the arms of chaos..

 

He could have sent the Ultra's or Fists.. no better lapdogs to send then those 2 legions, the Ultra's had the numbers too..

Maybe even Horus himself had he not turned traitor...

 

If you wanted their total destruction.. sent in Angron, or the Night haunter..

[dustermaker]

I have a feeling the Death Guard would have done the same thing, there was no love lost between those Legions.

[Gree]

yea, that was because it was written from a TS point of view from a good but not gifted author. i think abnett all too brief views into the battle at large were more balanced.

 

Even the Space Wolf POV from Hawser stated that the Wolves where at the disadvantage when the Sons unleased their powers and that lasted up until the Sisters came.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

yea, that was because it was written from a TS point of view from a good but not gifted author. i think abnett all too brief views into the battle at large were more balanced.

 

Even the Space Wolf POV from Hawser stated that the Wolves where at the disadvantage when the Sons unleased their powers and that lasted up until the Sisters came.

 

good point...except where the TS point of view has that advantage being nullifief pretty quickly as every TS started killing sisters with ease.

 

do do wish we could have gotten some references on the Wolves strength at Prospero, numbers wise. i dont recall any definte info on that being given.

 

WLK

[2000AD]

And it says quite explicitly that Magnus shielded all knowledge of the incoming invasion from his troops (and ordered the dispersal of many of them) until it was too late...... if hed wanted to there would have been wolves littering the atmospehere in lots of pieces.

 

Magnus wanted to embrace oblivion.