Capt. Taurus Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 A thought has been bothering me these last days and weeks. I couldn't help but to constantly think of a particular scene written in fluff. It appeared to me that this particular scene would be an absolute must have in a potential HH movie (oh let me have my dreams). Ever since thinking of that scene i grew more and more curious as to what the esteemed community of the B&C deems to be a particularly good scene (from a canon source) to be included in our would be HH movie. Now before you jump on your keyboard and start shouting out no-brainers like "the Emperor vs. Horus aboard the Vengeful Spirit", i would like you to stop a moment and think of a scene that in a way gave you pause, that made you think and encapsulated the essence of 40k for you. And don't forget to explain what the scene means to you symbolically and metaphorically, provided any instance in fluff has evoked such images in your mind. The scene i couldn't stop thinking about and that must imo be 100% included in a potential HH movie, is this.... The traitor forces stand before the walls and gates of the imperial palace on Terra, Angron already greatly altered by the warp's touch comes forth and shouts conditions of surrender to the Astartes manning the defenses...dull silence.......cheering breaks out as Sanguinius appears at the top of the palace's gate and looks down, his gaze meeting that of Angron, the two brothers stare at each other for several minutes without uttering a word, then Angron breaks eye contact and returns to his lines of warriors, the battle commences.... What i wrote is not an exact quote, i just wrote it as i remembered it, but i'm certain it's pretty precise overall. This scene just stirs some sense of profound and apocalyptic dimension in me, it perfectly shows how grave the treason of the traitor primarchs and their legions was and it gives a pretty good idea of the hurt feelings and hatred engendered in the loyalists, as if Sanguinius more than anything cannot forgive his brothers (here represented by Angron) for having put this burden on him. Is there any such scene you feel similar about and which you would like to see included in a potential HH Movie (yea I know I know.. just tell me) Your thoughts and ideas please Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230075-the-must-have-scene/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
razcalking Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Obvious must-include is the Istvan V Massacre where the Night Lords, Word Bearers, Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion turn on the Salamanders, Raven Guard and Iron Hands. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230075-the-must-have-scene/#findComment-2762881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Sanguinius being found on Baal. What thoughts went through his rescuers minds? Why did they save him? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230075-the-must-have-scene/#findComment-2762913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lestat Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 The dual between Fulgrim and Ferrus Manus with possible flashbacks to when they were creating the weapons each is now using to destroy the other. This shows how they once respected each other in brotherhood, and then how one betrayed the other with no hope of any reconcilliation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230075-the-must-have-scene/#findComment-2762919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Taurus Posted May 18, 2011 Author Share Posted May 18, 2011 Sanguinius being found on Baal. What thoughts went through his rescuers minds? Why did they save him? This is a good one I agree. I guess people generally assume that the finding of all primarchs is somehow worthwile to be made a movie scene but clearly the discoveries of some primarchs are cooler than others, Sanguinius ranking fairly high. I mean there he is one that radiation choked sandball of Baal and yet he is a perfect little angel as though just having fallen from Michelangelo's paintings. The dual between Fulgrim and Ferrus Manus with possible flashbacks to when they were creating the weapons each is now using to destroy the other. This shows how they once respected each other in brotherhood, and then how one betrayed the other with no hope of any reconcilliation. This is good too, but I hate this particular example because Ferrus dies and he is one of my favorite Primarchs. But my favorite Primarchs are: Guilliman, Sanguinius, Ferrus Manus, Angron and Mortarion, one of them goes into coma permanently, Sang. and Ferrus both die and the other two turn into traitors, so i am pretty much on the receiving end of the 40K plot. The idea with the flashbacks of how they manufactured the weapons is a great cinematic tool for what you have envisioned, are you a media-studies guy? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230075-the-must-have-scene/#findComment-2763034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Horus vs the Emperor is the obvious for me. For Me.... 1. Horus v/s Emp 2. Sanguinius vs Blood Thirster outside the Emps palace 3. The scene, as described in "First Herectic", of Lorgar, The Emperor, Malcador, and Roboute present after destruction of Monarchia during the sanction of the Word Bearers 4. Bjorn losing his arm 5. The Lion Vs Luther 6. Duel of the Mournival brothers 7. The assassination of Konrad 8. The resurrection of Loken <----SPOILER for "Legion of One"! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230075-the-must-have-scene/#findComment-2763071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Taurus Posted May 18, 2011 Author Share Posted May 18, 2011 Horus vs the Emperor is the obvious for me. For Me.... 1. Horus v/s Emp This one goes without saying ^_^ 2. Sanguinius vs Blood Thirster outside the Emps palace a definitive yes 3. The scene, as described in "First Herectic", of Lorgar, The Emperor, Malcador, and Roboute present after destruction of Monarchia during the sanction of the Word Bearers Whooaa no spoilers please as i haven't read that one yet, but if i'm not mistaken this is in the PDF-extract on th BL website right? 4. Bjorn losing his arm When did that happen? During the final moments of the palace's defence? 5. The Lion Vs Luther Oh yea I wanted that as a movie scene when I was 12 6. Duel of the Mournival brothers That was just depressing 7. The assassination of Konrad Although everything so far indicated in fluff points to that we don't know for sure whether Curze was actually killed by M'Shen do we. 8. The resurrection of Loken <----SPOILER for "Legion of One"! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230075-the-must-have-scene/#findComment-2763082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 That was just depressing As is the entire HH. This one goes without saying Yes, that is why I said "obvious". ^_^ Whooaa no spoilers please as i haven't read that one yet, but if i'm not mistaken this is in the PDF-extract on th BL website right? Yes, I remember reading this in the extract free of charge. When did that happen? During the final moments of the palace's defence? Prospero, however there are two versions. Although everything so far indicated in fluff points to that we don't know for sure whether Curze was actually killed by M'Shen do we. Hmmm, the NL's certainly believe so, I've not read anything that sheds doubt. In any case still movie worthy whether I state "the assassination" or "supposed assassination" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230075-the-must-have-scene/#findComment-2763087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Although everything so far indicated in fluff points to that we don't know for sure whether Curze was actually killed by M'Shen do we. Why do people keep saying this? It's outright stated in both Lord of the Night, Soul Hunter, and the Assassins codex. Yes, they didn't outright state it in the Index Astartes, but do his actions sound like he was going to do all that and then get out alive? Remember, death is nothing compared to vindication. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230075-the-must-have-scene/#findComment-2763091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Although everything so far indicated in fluff points to that we don't know for sure whether Curze was actually killed by M'Shen do we. Why do people keep saying this? It's outright stated in both Lord of the Night, Soul Hunter, and the Assassins codex. Yes, they didn't outright state it in the Index Astartes, but do his actions sound like he was going to do all that and then get out alive? Remember, death is nothing compared to vindication. and again stated in the NL audiobook if i remember correctly... WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230075-the-must-have-scene/#findComment-2763099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I'd like to see the battle of Ullanor - the Emperor and Horus battling side by side, the swirling battle of Orks and Space Marines. The famous Ork grabbing the Emperor scene and then the Triumph after, with the host of Space Marines marching past the Emperor and the Primarchs. Horus being lifted to the status of Warmaster and the resulting reactions of the Primarchs. A tad before the HH but very much part of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230075-the-must-have-scene/#findComment-2763149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snorkle Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I'd wanna see Horus Rising as a movie with parts from the next book. The ending would be Horus awakening from his coma with an evil glint in his eye...And then you'd have to wait for the next movie. But out of that, the scene where they're fighting the Interex and Horus asks the Big E why he made him Warmaster and says its too much, that's the scene I want to see the most. The sadness of it would be a perfect note to end a movie on after the uplifting (in my mind) tone the movie would have in the beginning and middle. Or else Leman Russ tearing Magnus apart and breaking his back on his knee. Edit: @Pulse; that'd be a great start to the movie, there would be an endless horde of barbaric, massive, terrifying orcs and then the marines would fall upon them and destroy them. It would introduce the audience to space marines and the Emperor if they didnt already know them and it would be a great point to start the Heresy Movie as Horus becomes Warmaster. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230075-the-must-have-scene/#findComment-2763315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 The Siege of Terra. It would probably make the most amazing film ever if done well. All the emotion and brutality :P Obviously Horus vs the Emperor is a must as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230075-the-must-have-scene/#findComment-2763360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 The thing is, I reckon the Emperor vs Horus should be left out, both of the series and a film. Everyone has their own idea, and I think a film would end up like the ludicrously hammy "Anakin and Obi-Wan" scene: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes." - That line is an absolute. "From my point of view the Jedi are evil." "Then you are lost." - That line is also an absolute. I reckon the epic battle between the Ultramarines and the Word Bearers at Calth should be in there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230075-the-must-have-scene/#findComment-2763380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Taurus Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 That was just depressing As is the entire HH. True but the Mournival face off was especially depressing and I hate Abaddon with a passion. Although everything so far indicated in fluff points to that we don't know for sure whether Curze was actually killed by M'Shen do we. Why do people keep saying this? It's outright stated in both Lord of the Night, Soul Hunter, and the Assassins codex. Yes, they didn't outright state it in the Index Astartes, but do his actions sound like he was going to do all that and then get out alive? Remember, death is nothing compared to vindication. I am convinced he is dead, it is written so in several sources, but I always had the feeling that we are intended to understand that there is some margin of uncertainty around that one, it is a bit like the Lion, Corax, Vulkan and Russ "will all return". But let us agree that he is dead by M'Shen's hand, he foresaw it and didn't do anything to stop it. I'd like to see the battle of Ullanor - the Emperor and Horus battling side by side, the swirling battle of Orks and Space Marines. The famous Ork grabbing the Emperor scene and then the Triumph after, with the host of Space Marines marching past the Emperor and the Primarchs. Horus being lifted to the status of Warmaster and the resulting reactions of the Primarchs. A tad before the HH but very much part of it. Oh please,... admit it, you just want to see the Mechanicum flatten an entire planet's surface :P I agree that is a good scene, generally.....I just want to see the bloody Emperor and the primarchs, after all we constantly read about their epic greatness and demi-god state of being and yet all we have gotten so far, are small illustrations that don't even show them in full, so frustrating. BTW what do you guys think of intricate shots of the Big E's Genelab where he made the primarchs? @Brother-Captain Alecto absolutely...rely on some movie making cretin to turn one of SciFi's most dystopian universes into a cheesy showdown between two big guys having hissy fits. I say bring in David Lynch for the Visuals and let someone else do the plot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230075-the-must-have-scene/#findComment-2763394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Gladius Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I would like to see a scene of the aftermath, the GK bing formed in secret by Malcador, Garro et al. perhaps as an ominous ending to your film about despite the victory, the galazy is condemed to war, and the GK's and Inquisition being the first step in the new battles about to take place. would be a cool ending I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230075-the-must-have-scene/#findComment-2763403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirnov Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 This is rather obvious scene, but the whole ending sequence of Istvaan III starting from first bombardment and into the last one. This, for me, is the epitome of Wh40K, its idea, its spirit and its magnitude. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230075-the-must-have-scene/#findComment-2763453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Taurus Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 This is rather obvious scene, but the whole ending sequence of Istvaan III starting from first bombardment and into the last one. This, for me, is the epitome of Wh40K, its idea, its spirit and its magnitude. Hhmm, yes and somehow also no. Galaxy in Flames & Flight of the Eisenstein Spoilers ahead run if you haven't read those yet!! ' ' ' ' ' The battle between loyalists and traitors on Istvaan III was awesome and the bravery of the loyalists is truly inspiring but somehow the constant betrayal on ground especially from Lucius just drove me mad, so i guess it would make an excellent movie scene, it's simply the bane of Capt.Taurus, so my objections to this scene are subjective and personal. But were there a HH movie to be made, it would have to be included as it is central to the entire plot, so my oppinion doesn't count really. Captain Ehrlen's demise really got to me, -sigh- i'm such a melancholic hobbyist. ' ' ' ' ' Galaxy in Flames & Flight of the Eisenstein Spoilers end here Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230075-the-must-have-scene/#findComment-2763498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirnov Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 It shows almost all. Treachery of Horus, his plan -'let the galaxy burn'; heroism of protagonists, alerting loyalist forces about treason; stoicism (in loyal Death Guard mostly); grim determination to the cause - in way of World Eaters sacrificing themselves on Angron to win their comrades time; and the last stand (in the palace), which is the epitome of warhammer - 'we are few, we are going to die, but we will die fighting and costing our enemies as much blood as possible' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230075-the-must-have-scene/#findComment-2763544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Edit: @Pulse; that'd be a great start to the movie, there would be an endless horde of barbaric, massive, terrifying orcs and then the marines would fall upon them and destroy them. It would introduce the audience to space marines and the Emperor if they didnt already know them and it would be a great point to start the Heresy Movie as Horus becomes Warmaster. Yeh it would be good for a start of a film. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230075-the-must-have-scene/#findComment-2763554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Adam Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I Wanna see the faces of the loyalists when they start to see the virus bombs coming down on istvaan (iv?). That would be huge. Another point though, I'm not sure if I really want to see the primarchs fight, in the books they move with crazy speed and power, and I jet picture it looking like. Obi wan vs. Darth Maul... More like a pre coordinated dance than a fight. I know I'm gonna take a verbal beating for that, but in my deepest imagination of it, I see it ultimately as a let down. Just take the marines from the ultramarines movie, and put it on steroids! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230075-the-must-have-scene/#findComment-2763580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I Wanna see the faces of the loyalists when they start to see the virus bombs coming down on istvaan (iv?). That would be huge. Another point though, I'm not sure if I really want to see the primarchs fight, in the books they move with crazy speed and power, and I jet picture it looking like. Obi wan vs. Darth Maul... More like a pre coordinated dance than a fight. I know I'm gonna take a verbal beating for that, but in my deepest imagination of it, I see it ultimately as a let down. Just take the marines from the ultramarines movie, and put it on steroids! I agree. The Star Wars franchise jumped the shark at the end of The Empire Strikes Back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230075-the-must-have-scene/#findComment-2763581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
awfulawful Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 A scene where all the Primarchs are playing beach volleyball without their shirts on. Just something so all of our lady friends won't complain so much when we make them watch the movie. It worked for Top Gun. Also, it could be set up so that it's the nine loyalists against the nine that eventually turn. Foreshadowing! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230075-the-must-have-scene/#findComment-2763621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memnoch Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 The thing is, I reckon the Emperor vs Horus should be left out, both of the series and a film. Everyone has their own idea, and I think a film would end up like the ludicrously hammy "Anakin and Obi-Wan" scene: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes." - That line is an absolute. "From my point of view the Jedi are evil." "Then you are lost." - That line is also an absolute. I reckon the epic battle between the Ultramarines and the Word Bearers at Calth should be in there. Some of the worst dialogue ever in that scene......plus the editing sucked......... Anyway back on topic: FLight of the Eisenstein would make a pretty epic film by itself. And Fulgrim v Ferrus at Istvann would be awesome to see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230075-the-must-have-scene/#findComment-2763715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memnoch Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 The dual between Fulgrim and Ferrus Manus with possible flashbacks to when they were creating the weapons each is now using to destroy the other. This shows how they once respected each other in brotherhood, and then how one betrayed the other with no hope of any reconcilliation. Sounds like a brilliant idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/230075-the-must-have-scene/#findComment-2763719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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