Candleshoes Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Thought I would post up a recent rumor about the future of the First Legion. Taken from the Blood of Kittens Community Hub. Great news Brothers! We, the gamers, are sitting on the receiving end of this dishonest policy once more. We are treated like children and that is exactly the goal of these changes. So here are some of their plans, as long as the info is available, to spoil some of their surprises: * two starter sets, each with rules, dices, movement markers, mission booklet, one with Dark Angels and fitting scenery, the other with Black Legion and Chaos scenery. You can combine both to play the campaign or use one set alone to play a selection of dumbed down scenarios against every other force, first starter set that comes with a model for a well established special character * 6th edition is finished rulewise for some time now, the overall goal is to fix some of the long time problems of the game system. Expect a lot more fundamental improvements than last edition. The rules were even more ambitious at some stage of development, but didn’t get approved as they were too far away from the established rules. The main designer left company and his successors brought the rules back in line with the existing codexes. The rules are nonetheless a bigger step forward than from 4th to 5th. Changes are so big that the next edition relies partial on erratas to fix old codexes. Development relied heavily on feedback of veteran playtesters. You can see some results of this new approach by the way the FAQs were handled in the last months. All codexes since Codex Tyranids were written with the new rules in mind, especially the new mission and reserve structure. * The main design goals are: one book to rule them all, heroic characters, visceral combat, streamlined mechanism, cleaned up presentation and strategy before chance * strong narrative focus on Chaos, perspective shifting from the Empire to the struggle between free races and the Warp Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232558-dark-angels-6th-edition-starter-box-army/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 If true that's excellent news!!! Scenery too! Hope it's true and look forward to it!!! BTW what is this about the SC? One in each set? So DAs get one and Black Legion another? Let's see... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232558-dark-angels-6th-edition-starter-box-army/#findComment-2797321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candleshoes Posted June 19, 2011 Author Share Posted June 19, 2011 Any speculations as to what possible Unforgiven character they will do/redo in plastic for the set? Belial? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232558-dark-angels-6th-edition-starter-box-army/#findComment-2797332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 A marines vs marines starter set combo? :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232558-dark-angels-6th-edition-starter-box-army/#findComment-2797336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 I'm taking these news with a heavy dose of slat... Specific Chapter models instead of a general marine design seems far-fetched to me. But could be generic marines models and DA fluff . here's hoping. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232558-dark-angels-6th-edition-starter-box-army/#findComment-2797341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Well, it says well established... I think it should be Belial. Although my initial reaction was hoping for Asmodai (don't know why...). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232558-dark-angels-6th-edition-starter-box-army/#findComment-2797342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Any speculations as to what possible Unforgiven character they will do/redo in plastic for the set? Belial? I'd say Belial too, how many long established SCs do we have without a model? Good news for all, 'cept I just made my own :P. Nice to get some DA love, my greenwing is already tooled up to fight CSM so bring it ON. stobz Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232558-dark-angels-6th-edition-starter-box-army/#findComment-2797344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alys Dwr Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 This is rather exciting news. Going by the comments on "big changes" for 6th ed, i would assume a new codex shouldn't be too far away... Al Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232558-dark-angels-6th-edition-starter-box-army/#findComment-2797362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Bearing in mind it says that the 6th ed rules were known and set almost as soon as 5th ed came out... Pass the salt please. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232558-dark-angels-6th-edition-starter-box-army/#findComment-2797380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Hail Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 It would make sense to lure in new players because thq is supposedly working on some thing with BT, and it would make "sense" to lure new players in with two new shinny armys. My two cents and yes here is the salt Leonaides i took a big dose my self. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232558-dark-angels-6th-edition-starter-box-army/#findComment-2797468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 A dose of salts? I have vinegar, where are the chips? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232558-dark-angels-6th-edition-starter-box-army/#findComment-2797492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shabbadoo Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Great news Brothers! Don't be too sure. This may seem like great news, but think on it a bit more. This is one of those "be careful what you wish for" types of things. If Deathwing Terminators are going to be in the 6E starter set, there will onbly be a snowball's chance in hell of there being a separate kit for them; the same goes for everything else in the starter set. Sure, starter set Deathwing Terminators could look cool enough, and they would be cheaper seeing as they come as part of a starter set and all... ...BUT there will be set poses. Personally I would rather that Deathwing Terminators are NOT in the starter set and instead get a separate set filled with all sorts of bits that can be combined/assembled in all manner of ways to make a huge variety of models, similar to the Wolf Guard Terminators set. I prefer to pay more for variety than get cheaper Terminators, but have to convert every single one of them beyond those of the fist squad so that they'll all look somewhat different. And you won;'t get all of the weapon options either of course. Being only 12-15 months away from release, if Deathwing Terminators are a part of the starter set, the squad options for them will have already been decided upon to a great degree. The same will be true for other Dark Angels units in the starter set too. So, here's hoping that Deathwing Terminators are not in the starter set. The end result of this will likely once again be what Dark Angels players are used to at this point- a bitter sweet deal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232558-dark-angels-6th-edition-starter-box-army/#findComment-2797674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candleshoes Posted June 20, 2011 Author Share Posted June 20, 2011 Set poses don't mean static. The new fantasy Isle of Blood box and the previous Space Hulk show how their thinking and product has evolved since Assault on Black Reach. They won't release garbage for what will likely be two mainstay sellers if the rumor is true. Anything they release will be better than the current SM termies or the SW ones I am sure, set or not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232558-dark-angels-6th-edition-starter-box-army/#findComment-2797702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Great news Brothers! ...BUT there will be set poses. The end result of this will likely once again be what Dark Angels players are used to at this point- a bitter sweet deal. I wouldn't mind set poses in the style of Space Hulk. They can be dynamic and unique. Or it could be a command squad! Assuming Belial is also included it'll make perfect sense!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232558-dark-angels-6th-edition-starter-box-army/#findComment-2797718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shabbadoo Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Kinda missing the point here guys. Yes, yes. Badarse "Space Hulk" style Deathwing Terminators and all, but... Now, do a pure Deathwing army using the same 5 models over and over and over and over... A complete lack of poseabilty and mixing of bits is static. I'm not worried about how cool the minis would be at all because they are almost guaranteed to be beyond cool, just the utility of them for building more than one squad of Terminators without having to convert every model so that they look different. Power armor(with robes even)? Put those in a starter set to be sure, as that is the Dark Angels image. Ravenwing Bikes that don' really have too many options to begin with? Sure, put those in too. A starter set hasn't included bikes yet anyways. Given the choice, I'll pick the separate multi-part kit option for something like Deathwing Terminators every single time. I would prefer all super awesome new stuff, but sometimes only partially awesome new stuff is all you get, and it will have to do. I'm not sure why anybody thinks a well known special character would be in the box starter box, as that is the loss of a chance to sell us an overpriced character model. Probably a yet to be seen Master, perhaps of the 3rd Company(Belial's replacement). It would be a nice little tidbit to introduce a generic Master that GW is not even planning on featuring in C: DA 6E as a special character. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232558-dark-angels-6th-edition-starter-box-army/#findComment-2797725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bevulf Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 The possible deathwing squad in the starter set doesn't mean we won't see the proper multi-part plastic boxed set. If GW continue with the schemed releases of the miniatures accompanying the new codexes (one or two plastic boxes and few (now) finecast miniatures) I think we will see the the Deathwing Plastic boxed set as well as Finecast Belial and maybe Asmodai redone in finecast... I don't think we will see Belial in starter set - finecast is rather obvious with the new codex release. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232558-dark-angels-6th-edition-starter-box-army/#findComment-2797807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanhausen Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 A year (or more) from now is way too much time for me to buy on any rumors, specially after the recent non-disclousure letters all GW had to sign under the threat of job termination. I wonder if they will move to starter packs instead of batallions... you know, you buy your codex, your initial models, sRB (small :D) a few dice and ready to go... that for each chapter... you guys know how many kids would get into the hobby? Say 500-600 points, at around 60 Euros the pack... Anyhow... I won't be holding my breath yet ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232558-dark-angels-6th-edition-starter-box-army/#findComment-2797824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGPO Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 I seriously doubt this for several reasons: 1. By going with Dark Angels instead of generic marines, you cut off a lot of potential sales and gain nothing from it. A DA player would quite happily use a set of cheap, good quality generic marines in their army no probs, but all those regular marine players are going to be turned off by the prospect of having to remove all the Dark Angels components. 2. Vanilla marines are by far and away GW's biggest seller, why would GW want to steer new players away from these? This is especially true when you consider that the 'wings aside, Dark Angels are pretty much identical to other chapters. They focus on Ultras for a reason. 3. The special character bit doesn't ring true - why release an apparently important special character as a starter mini, when these are usually of lower quality than the rest of the range? 4. The other part of the rumour, about Codex: Chaos Legions, with C:CSM remaining current but with a big WD errata makes no sense at all. Why would they keep supporting a two codexes for essentially the same army? I can see a point for two CSM codexes, with one including the rules for the nine legions, whilst the other features renegades with cultists etc, but as it stands this goes totally against GW's business model. If this did happen, my money would be on GW turning DA into a generic chapter from C:SM again, with one or two special characters to cover Deathwing and Ravenwing armies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232558-dark-angels-6th-edition-starter-box-army/#findComment-2797863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 I seriously doubt this for several reasons: 1. By going with Dark Angels instead of generic marines, you cut off a lot of potential sales and gain nothing from it. A DA player would quite happily use a set of cheap, good quality generic marines in their army no probs, but all those regular marine players are going to be turned off by the prospect of having to remove all the Dark Angels components. 2. Vanilla marines are by far and away GW's biggest seller, why would GW want to steer new players away from these? This is especially true when you consider that the 'wings aside, Dark Angels are pretty much identical to other chapters. They focus on Ultras for a reason. 3. The special character bit doesn't ring true - why release an apparently important special character as a starter mini, when these are usually of lower quality than the rest of the range? 4. The other part of the rumour, about Codex: Chaos Legions, with C:CSM remaining current but with a big WD errata makes no sense at all. Why would they keep supporting a two codexes for essentially the same army? I can see a point for two CSM codexes, with one including the rules for the nine legions, whilst the other features renegades with cultists etc, but as it stands this goes totally against GW's business model. All of the above make sense and may very well be the case. No harm in hoping though... If this did happen, my money would be on GW turning DA into a generic chapter from C:SM again, with one or two special characters to cover Deathwing and Ravenwing armies. I doubt this would be the case - but even so no biggie for me. I'm into DAs for the background - not the (special) rules. As long as they support the model range (and they have already with both Ravenwing and Veterans kits) I'm happy! If they add Space Hulk quality DA minatures in the starter kit so much the better!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232558-dark-angels-6th-edition-starter-box-army/#findComment-2797905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 2. Vanilla marines are by far and away GW's biggest seller, why would GW want to steer new players away from these? This is especially true when you consider that the 'wings aside, Dark Angels are pretty much identical to other chapters. They focus on Ultras for a reason. The other worry of course is that DA get rolled in to C:SM and become the Space Marine poster boys for 6th. Still, it's good that we're not being mentioned as one of the tail end 5th edition codicies, it seems that BT will be the Marine beta for a new edition this time 'round. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232558-dark-angels-6th-edition-starter-box-army/#findComment-2798050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HJL Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 yea, well see. I too hope we arent a beta codex. Id like a new codex but i dont want a failed test bed one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232558-dark-angels-6th-edition-starter-box-army/#findComment-2798100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alys Dwr Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 First starter set that comes with a model for a well established special character I'm thinking Cypher... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232558-dark-angels-6th-edition-starter-box-army/#findComment-2798269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shabbadoo Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 If it turns out to be true, Cypher would make sense as he is sort of the penultimate special scenario character. The set will probably be similar to all of the others, meaning generic marines painted in Dark Angles colors. Even if an HQ were wearing robes, there could be a lack of DA Chapter symbols anywhere on the model, and so what he'd really be is just a generic HQ in robes- paint him as a DA or not. Whatever things turn out to be, I'm sure the minis will look cool, as the tech has just been getting better and better over time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232558-dark-angels-6th-edition-starter-box-army/#findComment-2798785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Cypher could come up as the chaos special character but eevn so I don't believe it because there's charactersin chaos books better suited for a model or a revamp... As for DA probably Belial could be easier, maybe they'll bring back asmodai.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232558-dark-angels-6th-edition-starter-box-army/#findComment-2798831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonhinge Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 The DA themed bit will likely be in the form of an upgrade sprue in the box, to deck out the squad or two of tacticals that will be in there. At least, that's that's how they should do it. Throw in some DA shoulderpads and some robed legs. Always seemed silly to me to create a brand new sprue for the starter set when you've got existing ones for the same squad. Especially if it's going to be a smaller box. Even putting Belial in the box doesn't mean it'll also have termies in it. Of course, it doesn't mean that we're not getting someone besides him anyways. After thinking a bit, Belial wouldn't make sense to put in there. He's got 3 different available loadouts in his current incarnation, so they'd either have to just make him "stock" with sword & SB, or put in someone else with more of a static wargear set. Chaplain or librarian makes more sense, librarian more so with the seeming focus being placed on Man vs Warp. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/232558-dark-angels-6th-edition-starter-box-army/#findComment-2798906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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