Tamwulf Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 2 Vindicators, a Stormraven, 2 Baals with Assault Cannon and Hvy Bolters. 3 Razorbacks with Assault Cannon. And Mephiston. :) your flyers. This list intrigues me very much. I kind of like it. That's what, about 1500 points with three scoring units in the Razorbacks? Mephiston rolling around on the battlefield in his caddy, the Stormraven? Yeah! I am thinking of running the following Vindy heavy list soon. Astorath Sanguinary priest *jp, mb Furioso dred *frag/ HF (2) Death Company w/ bolters *razorback tl lascan RAS X10 Scout x5 w/ sniper rifles (2) baal pred * ac/hb, sb Stormraven *ac/mm hurricane bolter (2) vindicators *ss, sb 8 vehicles for target saturation. 4 av13. Let them pick their method of death. I plan on using 1 vindy, baal and razorback in 2 groups backed up by combat squad ras. This gives me 2 robust groups to work together with the raven brining in the dread where it most needed. Scouts camp home obj. Another good list, except for the scouts. I can see why they are being used, but I'd rather give them some cover and take a Aegis Defense Line with maybe a Comms Relay to help get the SR in on turn 2. The heart of the list seems to be two Vindicators and one Storm Raven. Could you maybe take an Aegis Defense Line with a Quad Autocannon and a min sized Tactical Squad to man it, camped on the home objective providing anti-aircraft and a 4+ Cover Save for the Tactical Squad to replace the Stormraven? That would open up another slot for the third Vindi and still give you AA. It might be time to re-evaluate the effectiveness of the three Vindi list again, as the BA have a fast tank. The only concern has been it's a 24" ranged tank. Yes, that AV 13 on the front is great, but when big critters do vector strikes on side armor, when all infantry in close combat hit the rear armor... I still have my doubts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265780-vindicator-firing-line/page/2/#findComment-3238964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 2 Vindicators, a Stormraven, 2 Baals with Assault Cannon and Hvy Bolters. 3 Razorbacks with Assault Cannon. And Mephiston. :lol: your flyers. This list intrigues me very much. I kind of like it. That's what, about 1500 points with three scoring units in the Razorbacks? Mephiston rolling around on the battlefield in his caddy, the Stormraven? Yeah! Think it is 1490something So yeh! I was going to take it to ToS inspired in part by Morticon's list but decided to do something different and run Drop Pods with SW Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265780-vindicator-firing-line/page/2/#findComment-3239040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy12009 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Vector strike is always something to watch out for, but I don't think troopers hitting the rear armor should be a worry. If they're close enough to charge a vindi, you've done something wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265780-vindicator-firing-line/page/2/#findComment-3239051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicJ Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 As a guard player, I took three Demolishers on a regular basis. I had two basic strategies. Fortress. One deployed centrally, the other two, twelve inches to either side. Its remarkably difficult to get flank shots on a tank in that circumstance. Its not impossible, but its trickier than you may think. Fist All Three deployed on a flank. Much easier to get a flank hit on one tank, but no chance on the other two. As I suggested earlier (quite seriously) I think blood angels would benefit from running two on a flank, and protecting their side armour with a sacrifical transport. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265780-vindicator-firing-line/page/2/#findComment-3239068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianj253 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 What about taking guard allies and using demolishers instead of vindicators? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265780-vindicator-firing-line/page/2/#findComment-3239121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Leman Russ tanks cannot keep up with the rest of the army Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265780-vindicator-firing-line/page/2/#findComment-3239228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Morticon, I haven't used my Vindicators lately, but there can be issues with them getting flanked. But no worse in my experience than Baals or other tanks. But currently, I prefer Baals to Vindicators. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265780-vindicator-firing-line/page/2/#findComment-3239329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianj253 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Ahh I forget the benefits of our fast vehicles. That's too bad though, BA with steel legion allies would be very fluffy and cool to run. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265780-vindicator-firing-line/page/2/#findComment-3239408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zedrenael Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Well something that I want to discuss. Do you guys think it is worth taking the Storm Botler to have a 50% chance of not losing the demolisher cannon on a weapon destroyed results. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265780-vindicator-firing-line/page/2/#findComment-3239498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicJ Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 unless its been faqed, they come with a storm bolter, and can buy a second. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265780-vindicator-firing-line/page/2/#findComment-3239511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicJ Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Running two with a raider to provide side armour. Gotta take doggies to the vets on game night, so will let you all now how it turns out a week wednesday ish :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265780-vindicator-firing-line/page/2/#findComment-3241151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
khurdur Posted November 18, 2012 Author Share Posted November 18, 2012 taking an additional storm bolter makes you very reistant to weapon destroyed results-the opponent has a 33% chance of getting the demolisher cannon... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265780-vindicator-firing-line/page/2/#findComment-3241169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Morticon, I haven't used my Vindicators lately, but there can be issues with them getting flanked. But no worse in my experience than Baals or other tanks. But currently, I prefer Baals to Vindicators. As I use more than one I can use one to shield the other from most outflanking fire and still be able to split there fire. Offering each other a cover save on the vulnerable sides while showing the front face to heavy weapons (it's not perfect, but does work). If I need them to be at other parts of the board assault troops can often offer up a good screen.... Other times you just have roll the dice and take a chance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265780-vindicator-firing-line/page/2/#findComment-3241461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy12009 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Running two with a raider to provide side armour.Gotta take doggies to the vets on game night, so will let you all now how it turns out a week wednesday ish :( Omg I read this and thought you were talking about space wolves. I was seriously confused for about 30 seconds :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265780-vindicator-firing-line/page/2/#findComment-3241518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicJ Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Nar, actual doggies four booster shots, a microchip, probably some anti biotics for the one who lost the fight and possibly the snip for the one who won..... Chiuahuahs, mad little balls of teeth, claws and sleep Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265780-vindicator-firing-line/page/2/#findComment-3241717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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