Brother Clavero Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I would like to add Cypher to my (very) small army of fallen angels. The problem that I have is which codex has a HQ or Elite statline that would fit him best? This decision will probably direct which codex that I use for the entire army, or maybe they're allies of another army? Oh my the choices!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I would like to add Cypher to my (very) small army of fallen angels. The problem that I have is which codex has a HQ or Elite statline that would fit him best? This decision will probably direct which codex that I use for the entire army, or maybe they're allies of another army? Oh my the choices!!!! Regrettably (or not perhaps) the chaos codex would do nice, since it allows a lord to take dual pistols. Also since the guy more or less always survives mark him with tzeentch to have an inv save. BTW you might want to enter this dark dump cell. Dont worry the guy with the mask and the pointy tools wont hurt you. Much.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Clavero Posted December 8, 2012 Author Share Posted December 8, 2012 Thanks Brother Immolator those are some good ideas :rolleyes: ! Go into this cell you say? Yes it is very damp and reeks of mould. Hey wait a minuet, what is that guy with the mask doing with those chains and that sharp looking thing? Oh my! Oh my! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypherthefallenangel Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 +1 chaos codex A tzeech lord with a sigil of corruption(for the 3++),bolt pistol and a plasma pistol. Not quite the old 3.5 cypher but close enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xyon Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Chaos Lord, two plasma pistols, Mark of Tzeench, sigil of corruption/dark aura of dark glory . I mean, if you're gonna give him two pistols, do it right :o Or maybe mark of slaanesh and either sigil or aura. If you take sigil instead of the aura, a combat familiar might be good to take as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDoc Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 +1 to the Chaos Lord. Hopefully you won't have to wait too long for 6E rules for him though. While I doubt he'll be in the new DA Codex, GW would be silly not to release new rules (and possibly a new model) for him not too long after. Chaos Lord, two plasma pistols, Mark of Tzeench, sigil of corruption/dark aura of dark glory . I mean, if you're gonna give him two pistols, do it right :o Or only give him a single plasma pistol and make his second pistol a bolt pistol since the OP is talking about representing Cypher, you know the guy who carries a single plasma pistol and a single bolt pistol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleqvin Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 ^^^^^^ :) :D :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypher 102 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Would Veterans of the Long War be in character? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Would Veterans of the Long War be in character? Well since he is from the Crusade era as the chaos marines who have it, I guess yeah. You might want to go over the top and give him a deamon weapon, though he doesnt use the sword. Anyway your call. So a chaos lord with Bolt pistol, plasma pistol, demon weapon, Mark of tzeentch sigil of corruption and veterans of the old war... Anybody with a codex did the math on the cost? I am curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xyon Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I still say humbug! He should have two plasma pistols, I heard him saying something about mechanical lions, so he wanted an upgrade. :P Mark of slaanesh would be an alternative as well, because if I remember correctly, he had Initiative 6. With sigil, one or two plasma pistols, and either mark of tzeench of slaanesh, and veteran of long war, he is... we are not allowed to give specific point values, i think. So I will just say he would be between 120 and 150 points, mainly depending on whether you want to give him 2 plasma pistols or not, the two marks are the same points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Hopefully you won't have to wait too long for 6E rules for him though. While I doubt he'll be in the new DA Codex, GW would be silly not to release new rules (and possibly a new model) for him not too long after. Cant say I see that coming. EDIT: So I will just say he would be between 120 and 150 points, mainly depending on whether you want to give him 2 plasma pistols or not, the two marks are the same points. I think you can post totals since you are refering to the overall cost, but thats ok. Too cheap for what it brings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jehoel Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Would Veterans of the Long War be in character? Well since he is from the Crusade era as the chaos marines who have it, I guess yeah. You might want to go over the top and give him a deamon weapon, though he doesnt use the sword. Anyway your call. So a chaos lord with Bolt pistol, plasma pistol, demon weapon, Mark of tzeentch sigil of corruption and veterans of the old war... Anybody with a codex did the math on the cost? I am curious. Well, since the deamon weapon replaces a weapon, chaos lord with bolt pistol and plasma pistol cannot have a deamon weapon also. Cost wise, Xyon is close enough on the points. Low end of his statement with a bolt pistol, high end with two plasma pistols would be in the right range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Fair enough, not enough familiarity with the traitors and heretics codex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Did he get some special rules on a spanish campaign handout a few months ago? Also, Renegades&Heretics list from the Siege of Vraks? Although that would be a rather underpowered Cypher, it would more accurately represent the forces that he might command. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Some cultist ruble along side space marines from the new book would also be accurate to describe a local militia aided/used by fallen too. EDIT: After all the fallen do not command such an armory where you will see heavy tanks and whatnot on their ranks. The hellbrute rules can represent a fallen dready or even use the DV model as a hugely corrupted one. The new chaos dex suits them fine IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronotonic Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Heck drag out the old codex and see what happens haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkspleen Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Did he get some special rules on a spanish campaign handout a few months ago?Also, Renegades&Heretics list from the Siege of Vraks? Although that would be a rather underpowered Cypher, it would more accurately represent the forces that he might command. He did indeed get some special rules, which can be found here. They are kind of interesting, but the problem is they don't provide a points cost for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pueriexdeus Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Did he get some special rules on a spanish campaign handout a few months ago?Also, Renegades&Heretics list from the Siege of Vraks? Although that would be a rather underpowered Cypher, it would more accurately represent the forces that he might command. He did indeed get some special rules, which can be found here. They are kind of interesting, but the problem is they don't provide a points cost for him. Using some known IC's from both C:CSM & C:BA would place him North of 250, probably in the 300 point range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkspleen Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Using some known IC's from both C:CSM & C:BA would place him North of 250, probably in the 300 point range. I don't know about that, keep in mind all the ICs from C:CSM have invulnerable saves (except for fabius) similarly most of the BA ones do too. And Cypher's crazy BS is largely made irrelevant by his master crafted pistols (it would only factor in to firing emplaced weapons), and he lacks any of the really crazy rules that guys like Dante and The Sanguinor get. I would expect him to be around 200, maybe a tiny bit over of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xyon Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I was just thinking, chaos lord, 2 plasma pistols, slaanesh mark, sigil of corruption. unit of chosen with 4 plasma pistols on regular guys, leader has 2 plasma pistols, add things as you see fit, and a unit of noise marines to fill the troops as an allied attachment to some other army. 8 plasma pistol shots, blam! Edit: but to be honest I'm wanting to see some more full squad dual pistol goodness going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Edit: but to be honest I'm wanting to see some more full squad dual pistol goodness going on. That can be done me thinks with lone wolves but its besides the point. Cyphers armament was 2 pistols mastercrafted. Bolt and plasma respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xyon Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 but lone wolves are not a squad? they're alone? I KNOW cypher had a BP and PP, i just disagree with GW fluff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 but lone wolves are not a squad? they're alone? I KNOW cypher had a BP and PP, i just disagree with GW fluff. Wolf guard sorry. You can keep them as a squad or dispatch them. Messed the names. Too much wolf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xyon Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Indeed, you could give a whole unit of wolf guard 2 plasma pistols each, but space wolfs are so icky, but would be an ok ally too I suppose. Wolf lord with 2 pistols, 10 wolf guard with 20 pistols, and a squad of grey wolfs. But space wolfs.... I wish we can do something like this in our new codex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notmattlythgoe Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 We can take 10 vets with BP/PP combos currently can't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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