kanan Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 hail fellow Battle Brothers... a conversion occurred to me regarding the Dark Talon kit... i wasnt a fan of the heavy bolters so i did a swap for the lascannons as well as modelling the Nephilim with the vertical take off thrusters... i am really liking the Nephilim alot more now that i have finished the build on the kit... and i like the silhouette... it looks like a proper flyer and i cant wait to get it sprayed and painted over this weekend... so have a look and tell me what you think... http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/zrolimit88/DSC09008.jpg http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/zrolimit88/DSC09009.jpg http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/zrolimit88/DSC09011.jpg http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/zrolimit88/DSC09013.jpg http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/zrolimit88/DSC09014.jpg http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/zrolimit88/DSC09015.jpg http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/zrolimit88/DSC09016.jpg http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/zrolimit88/DSC09017.jpg peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Danosef Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 I like the idea mate (I assume you're using the AMB model as the T/L Heavy Bolters as you obviously can't have the T/L Lascannon and the AMB?) and it does break up the flat nose of the whole thing and give it a nicer profile in my opinion. Just to check though, have you just blu-tacked the LC's in place for now? I ask as to me they look a little bit wonky and not symmetrical in the first couple of images. Having said that it's nearly 6am here and I'm yet to go to bed (DA release day was always going to be a late one as my lists are re-planned a dozen times!) so it could just be my eyesight!!! Something just seemed 'off' with them. Keep up the good work - I'll look forward to seeing this bad boy painted :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanan Posted January 12, 2013 Author Share Posted January 12, 2013 hey Sgt Danosef ~smiles~ thanks for the comments and i agree with you regards to using the lascannons instead of the heavy bolters in terms of the nose profile... as far as games go i will be using it as WYSIWYG but only with my opponents permission and ill pay appropriate points... i didnt feel the heavy bolters added anything when i could also take the avenger mega bolter... i think youre right and one of the lascannons might be a little off but the photos exaggerate how much... its very very slight but theyre super glued in so i will have to leave them for now... ZAP A GAP is very strong super glue so ill just end up damaging the parts if i try to break it apart... using ZAP made the build very quick too... anyways ill update with more pics when its got some paint and stuff on it... many thanks and good luck with everything youre doing in 2013! peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinisterZ Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 I have a question concerning the wings, i am building the Dark Talon atm and I was wondering if you glued the wings on the models or if you were able to magnetize them for easier transport. Succes on the build! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanan Posted January 12, 2013 Author Share Posted January 12, 2013 hey sinisterZ with regards to the wings there are tabs on the wings thats correspond to slots on the hull... if youre careful you might be able to magnetize it there or someplace in the actual hull... whatever you do please dont remove the tabs on the wings as they give the wings added strength... and thanks for the complements regarding my build... and good luck with yours... peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinisterZ Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Thanks for the info ! After fitting i could not really find a place to magnetize easely, I think im just gonna glue them and find a way to transport everything ( I ride a bike to the club were we play). and thanks also! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarducci Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 I like your idea. I am doing something similar, but different. I picked up the Nephelim, but the rules seem a little, well, not me. I usually run a pure Deathwing, all Terminators. So a flyer wasn't a good fit anyway. However, I am looking to use it as an Avenger for Sisters of Battle, which is armed with 2 Lascannons and a Vulcan Mega Blaster. With a quick swap of an extra Immolator pilot, and a removal/cover up of the Ravenwing Symbol, I think it will be close. Although I might use the shrine abd stained glass bits. I like the look, and it has encouraged me to go further, albiet after a few Deathwing Squads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizara Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 in all honesty, I think this is how it should have been done as a model to begin with. It should have had the vulcan mega cannon to begin with and heavy bolter sponson that could be upgraded with lascannons. It to me doesn't look good with the lascannons in place of the big gatling gun anyhow, and this will probably be how I model mine when I get one. Might even just put magnets on the lascannon/heavy bolter area so I can swap them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinisterZ Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Midnight, I am going to try and magnetize the weapon choice on the fighter, only problem is there is a huge gap that you will have to fill. I guess green stuff is the only option for trying to put a magnet in that hole ( im building a fighter and the dark talon) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 I agree with Midnight Angel, that is how it should have been. Mine will also look like yours as they need something over S6 to kill things first time from range. If writers get the odd thing wrong I'm sure we can forgive them and convert to taste. Gattling thingie counts as the HBs for in game effect. :D S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Kanan, I really like it! I also agree I'm a little underwhelmed by the Nephilim, but I haven't even opened my kit up to see about playing with the options just yet. I will say that from the appearance of the bores on the mega-bolter, the thing looks like it shoots autocannon rounds to me, not assault cannon rounds, so I think it could have at least been S7 shots. Of course, scale can't really be gone by for GW stuff, but I don't necessarily think that S7 would have been overpowering for the unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apahllo Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I like the idea, and I'm with you on the idea that heavy bolters aren't very menacing to other fliers, especially av12 :palmface:... Seeing your conversion, I believe it would make it a much more versatile choice for "air superiority" if the TL-HB could be upgraded. But life goes on... And be careful with zap glue!! Zapagap+instaset=fire. Not distorted glue that looks like fire but burning hot fire. Woe is my friends necron overlord (which more resembles a half used candle them the govenator) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shadow Guard Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Looks great Kanan, Don't forget to support your legion in the Path to Redemption and more importantly the LPC 2013 painting contest!! SG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryu no Ten Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I have two Storm Talons and I was wondering if the haul(body mines the wings) of the Nephilim Fighter is about the same size as the Storm Talon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasmaspam Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I think it looks great, starboard lascannon just needs a bit of realignment. This is exactly the build I wish we could do, would make it a real fighter/interceptor. would have no probs paying 200pts a go for one of these. An FAQ/Update page GW, pwetty pwetty pwease.....? (yes, I know, 0% chance of that 48hrs after launch) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanan Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 SinisterZ youre welcome... and i can understand how difficult it is to magnetize the wings to the hull... i agree with you regards to gluing the wings... it is definitely the best option... i hope you can find something you can transport the Nephilim in as well as the rest of your DA army... and be careful on your bike... i have a bike myself and i get annoyed at the number of car drivers that dont actually see you on a bike or even notice you... thanks Sarducci... i dont see why you cant use the Dark Talon/Nephilim as an Avenger... there isnt much in the way of Ravenwing icons on the aircraft and they should be easy to remove... i think it would be a nice conversion with an Immolator pilot... it would look good in Imperial Navy/Sisters of Battle colours... and for the Sisters i think using the Dark Talon shrine hull instead of the sleaker Nephilim hull would be a better choice... what are the stats for the Vulcan mega bolter? i feel our Avenger mega bolter is a tiny bit lacking but still useable... good luck with the build ~smiles~ hey Midnight Angel i feel the same... i think it was a missed opportunity by the GW designers... to make the lascannons fit i needed to do a little filling on the actual weapons as the gap between the nose and engine pod is quite narrow... but you should be able to magnetize the heavy bolters/lascannons ok... i personally think we as DA players should use the Nephilim with this configuration as long as we point it out to opponents that we paid fair points ect and in friendly games it should be fine... i just feel the standard weapon loadout of the heavy bolters with lascannons or Avenger mega bolter is a little lacking... i saw this when i was building it so i immediately opted for the lascannons with the Avenger instead... its a very simple conversion without much actual work needed to make the fit possible with the lascannons... ultimately i would like to take 2 more to make up a squadron of 3... not for gaming really but simply because i like the flyer and want a few more... SinisterZ couldnt you use greenstuff and then push the micro magnet into it before it sets then remove it which will leave a recess... wait till the greenstuff sets then add super glue to the hole you made and then fit the magnet back? Stobz you and Midnight Angel are both right... this is what the Nephilim should have been... to take out tanks and bigger flyers you need the lascannons as the Avenger isnt quite powerful enough... and i dont think writers can ever get things a 100% right which is why most of us convert our models to fit the feel of our own armies... its a personal thing and very satisfy to do... thanks Bryan Blaire... yeah looking at the Avenger barrels i also wondered about the actual calibre of the rounds... using autocannon type rounds would make sense... certainly it doesnt use assault cannon ammunition... but i also feel the Avenger is slightly underpowered... i know the Nephilim is a smallish aircraft so perhaps that was the reason we didnt get a Vulcan mega bolter... and yeah GW has never actually done things according to a strict scale... the Rhino is case in point lolz! but for gaming it makes sense that we arent placing tonka toys on the gaming table ~grins~ thanks Apahllo... youre right my conversion does make for a better air superiority fighter and i felt the same way about the heavy bolters... and thanks for the safety tips regards to ZAP glue lolz its pretty hardcore stuff and you have to be careful with it but i prefer using it to be honest... the ZAP Z GAP also acts as a gap filler so its handy stuff... but yeah for days after building a kit i am pealing off super glue from my fingers lolz! thanks Shadow Guard! i am glad i was able to share this simple yet effective conversion with all of you... and i will look into supporting our great Legion with the Path to Redemption and LPC 2013 challenges... many thanks for the heads up Sir! ~smiles~ hey Ryu no Ten... i have a Storm Talon too and let me just check for you... the separation between engine pods on the Nephilim is 4.5 CM and on the Storm Talon the width of the hull is 4 CM (measuring from the bottom of the hull on both) so yeah the Nephilim is a slightly wider aircraft to its Storm Talon cousin... hope this helps... hey plamsmaspam ~smiles~ i agree its the fighter the Nephilim should have been but as DA players we can still make it so... a very small bit of conversion work and slightly adjusting the pts cost and then were good to go... i see no issues in friendly games and as for tournaments youd just have to use the counts as rule for the standard Nephilim loadout... thanks dude for all the comments and interest and good luck with your build... peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 thanks Sarducci... i dont see why you cant use the Dark Talon/Nephilim as an Avenger... there isnt much in the way of Ravenwing icons on the aircraft and they should be easy to remove... i think it would be a nice conversion with an Immolator pilot... it would look good in Imperial Navy/Sisters of Battle colours... and for the Sisters i think using the Dark Talon shrine hull instead of the sleaker Nephilim hull would be a better choice... what are the stats for the Vulcan mega bolter? i feel our Avenger mega bolter is a tiny bit lacking but still useable... good luck with the build ~smiles~ I thought the Avenger had an Avenger Bolt Cannon? Which is S6 AP3 Heavy 7, iirc. Then again, I don't have Aeronautica, so I don't know if they got the option of swapping it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanan Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 Onisuzume i could be wrong regards to the Avenger flyer... i just assumed it was equipped with a Vulcan... can anyone check? many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Well, I checked FW's site, and it lists the Avenger Bolt Cannon in the description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanan Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 many thanks Onisuzume... is the Avenger mega bolter a smaller version of the Vulcan mega bolter for use in aircraft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 many thanks Onisuzume... is the Avenger mega bolter a smaller version of the Vulcan mega bolter for use in aircraft? Dunno, sure seems like it. But like I said, I don't have Aeronautica, so I don't know the specifics. *Edit* Just remember it has an entry in HH:Betrayal, where it has no option for vulcan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanan Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 many thanks Onisuzume... is the Avenger mega bolter a smaller version of the Vulcan mega bolter for use in aircraft? Dunno, sure seems like it. But like I said, I don't have Aeronautica, so I don't know the specifics. *Edit* Just remember it has an entry in HH:Betrayal, where it has no option for vulcan. Onisuzume i think that must be the case and i have quite a few of the HH novels but i lack that one... i will be sure to pick it up from my LGS... thanks for the heads up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanan Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 hey guys i managed to get some spraying done and i took better photos of the Nephilim so i hope this helps people who wanted to see the flyer in more detail... http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/zrolimit88/DSC09032.jpg http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/zrolimit88/DSC09035.jpg http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/zrolimit88/DSC09036.jpg http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/zrolimit88/DSC09037.jpg http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/zrolimit88/DSC09039.jpg http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/zrolimit88/DSC09041.jpg http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/zrolimit88/DSC09042.jpg http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/zrolimit88/DSC09045.jpg peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryu no Ten Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Thanks kanan, that means I should be able to use my storm talons as proxies till I can get the new flyers. By the way the nephilim reminds me of the X-302 from Star Gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanan Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 Ryu no Ten... youre most welcome mate... and using the Storm Talon as a Nephilim stand in should be fine in friendly games. the X-302 i think i am familiar with it and yes you are right the similarity is quite uncanny... at least from what i remember of it... havent watched Stargate in forever... thanks for pointing that out ~smiles~ peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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