Reichfaust Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Hail Brothers, In this new age of flyers, I feel it is time to add some air cav to my list. As I'm sure you are all well aware, we only have a couple of options if we want pure Astartes aircraft (that is to say, no IG allies or Imperial Navy); namely the Caestus Assault Ram and the Storm Eagle gunship. I am pretty torn between the two of these, because I like them both a lot--aesthetically, they look great, and rules wise I think they're both pretty awesome too. So I come seeking the combined wisdom of the Fang! I would like to hear your thoughts, whether you have any past experience using either of these vehicles, or just theories and anecdotes. Cheers all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271155-a-flyer-fit-for-the-sons-of-russ-caestus-or-storm-eagle/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cate Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 If you are looking for wisdom you shouldn't continue to read. ;) I do feel that the Stormeagle is a better option than the ram who I feel is more of a Space action flier, plus I think it looks like something from the game Wipeout. The Stormeagle has more options than the ram, and a naked Eagle is cheaper, both moneywise and pointwise. Or are my rules outdated again? /C Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271155-a-flyer-fit-for-the-sons-of-russ-caestus-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3302903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 A wolf should fight with both feet on the ground, as Russ intended. The Caestus looks dumb in atmo and the whole concept is flawed. It's great as a boarding torpedo, but should never have tried to make the jump to 40k. Storm Eagles are cool. They're like Storm Ravens but with all the design flaws fixed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271155-a-flyer-fit-for-the-sons-of-russ-caestus-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3302936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I like my drop pods ..... if your wolves don't fly how do you get off fenris ? I perfer the look of caestus. But think the rules of the stormeagle are better Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271155-a-flyer-fit-for-the-sons-of-russ-caestus-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3302977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackziden Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I would choose the storm eagle flyer over the ceastus ANY DAY. Reasons why: The ceastus looks like a flying brick The Storm eagle is similar to the storm raven, which the space wolves cant access The storm eagle looks more "40K" The storm eagle is more wolfy & warlike than the ceastus The storm eagle is cheaper by £10 Weel, thats my verdict, and to be honest, wolves need flight to reach the endless war in the stars one question though, where do I get the rules for the forge world models, and are all of the "non-chapter-exclusive" models be used with the wolves? for example the rapier laser ting? hackziden Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271155-a-flyer-fit-for-the-sons-of-russ-caestus-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3302982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Real reason to go for the Storm Eagle in my opinion is that the Ceastus Assault Ram can't shoot fliers due to using nothing but template weapons (And you wanted the thing for shooting fliers, I assume). Rules for forge world models are found in the various Imperial Armour books published by forgeworld (new models often get a pdf until the next Imperial Armor is released) As to whether or not a model is usable by the Space Wolves... Depends on the model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271155-a-flyer-fit-for-the-sons-of-russ-caestus-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3303026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackziden Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Real reason to go for the Storm Eagle in my opinion is that the Ceastus Assault Ram can't shoot fliers due to using nothing but template weapons (And you wanted the thing for shooting fliers, I assume). Rules for forge world models are found in the various Imperial Armour books published by forgeworld (new models often get a pdf until the next Imperial Armor is released) As to whether or not a model is usable by the Space Wolves... Depends on the model. aaaah, so how do I work out if the model is compatible with the Space Wolf army? that would be really cool, because at this moment in time, space wolves are hitting the bottom (there or there abouts ) of the anti flier table, and I would like to use some of the forge world models 1) I think look cool and 2) that would add some anti-air power to my forces, just like Reichfaust is Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271155-a-flyer-fit-for-the-sons-of-russ-caestus-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3303060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 It'll say who gets to take it on the unit's profile page. For example; The Avenger Strike Fighter is a Heavy Support choice for a Battle Sisters or Imperial Guard army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271155-a-flyer-fit-for-the-sons-of-russ-caestus-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3303217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
matchbox Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 The Caestus in my opinion is better than the Storm Eagle. Ok i'm not 100% on the Eagle rules but the Caestus can take 10 Terminators on board, Plus the template melta is cool. I think it looks better also, although the hefty pricetag is a bit of a stopper. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271155-a-flyer-fit-for-the-sons-of-russ-caestus-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3303230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Caestus is indeed useable by us - it's in Apocalypse Second Edition - A Caestus Assault Ram is a Fast Attack choice in a Codex Space Marines, Black Templars, Space Wolves or Dark Angels army. so in fact it's a flier that our dear Blood Angels can't have it's a spot under 300pts and a heavy calibre Fast Attack choice... so I vote for both as iirc. the Eagle is a Heavy Support.plus you'll also be able to get 3 Caestus and run a Trident Assault Force for apocalypse :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271155-a-flyer-fit-for-the-sons-of-russ-caestus-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3303271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Or, you know, you could just ask which IA it's in. To put your mind at ease; For flier related purposes, the Caestus Assault Ram, Storm Eagle are both choices for Space Wolves, and for flier defense, the Hyperios Defense Battery and the vehicles mounting said missile battery are legal choices for Space Wolves. The Contemptor Mortis Dreadnaught is not. All of these can be found In Imperial Armour: Aeronautica (Which is a new book that complies 6th edition updates for every one of Forge World's fliers and flier defense platforms). IA 11 has a datasheet for Bran Redmaw, and an apocolypse formation for his Great Company. Role-wise: Both vehicles are well suited to dumping a heap of terminators into your opponent's deployment zone (They're both assault vehicles that can carry a whopping ten terminators! Note that the Caestus can only hold 10 models, though- It just ignores the bulky USR. So if you want to store 15 Blood Claws, Arjac, and Logan in a vehicle, you're going to need the Storm Eagle. Or just go all out and buy a Thunderhawk). Both have more durability than the core fliers- The Storm Eagle has 4 hull points, while the Caestus is front and side AV 13. They're also both around the point cost of a tricked out land raider by the time you're done buying upgrades for them, so be aware of that. Weaponry wise, the Storm Eagle makes a much better gunship, carrying a variety of anti-tank weapons, while the Caestus is focused on ground-based combat (Note: Unique among fliers, it can still make ramming attacks) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271155-a-flyer-fit-for-the-sons-of-russ-caestus-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3303276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaraion Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Google is also very helpful here although I can not guarantee this is the most up to date version... http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/s/Stormeagle.pdf Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271155-a-flyer-fit-for-the-sons-of-russ-caestus-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3303681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Google is also very helpful here although I can not guarantee this is the most up to date version... http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/s/Stormeagle.pdf It is not the most current rules, but the points costs are correct. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271155-a-flyer-fit-for-the-sons-of-russ-caestus-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3303775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I personally like the Storm Eagle, as what I will need in a Flyer is something to even the playing field against other threats in the air. Currently, Flyer counters Flyer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271155-a-flyer-fit-for-the-sons-of-russ-caestus-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3304175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Storm Eagle, hands down. Cheaper, can pack anti-flyer firepower, has great built in anti-infantry firepower, and a larger cargohold. Oh, and its cheaper. It also looks pretty sexy. Id like to have a couple myself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271155-a-flyer-fit-for-the-sons-of-russ-caestus-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3304457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reichfaust Posted February 14, 2013 Author Share Posted February 14, 2013 Thanks for the advice everyone. Sounds like the vast majority of you are saying Storm Eagle is the way to go, and while I still love many things about the Caestus, I am inclined to agree with you--the versatility of the Storm Eagle wins out against the Assault Ram, certainly as it will be my first and only flyer for the time being. Now the questions is--to buy one or convert my own from a Storm Raven box? I'm a big fan of converting, so I think I already know what the answer is going to be! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271155-a-flyer-fit-for-the-sons-of-russ-caestus-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3304535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 I'd say your best bet for a conversion would be to use Chapterhouse's truescale conversion kit for the stormraven, with a whirlwind missile launcher mounted on the turret and IG Lascannons in place of the wing-mounted missiles (Because 2 TL-Lascannons > 4 Hellstrike Missiles) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271155-a-flyer-fit-for-the-sons-of-russ-caestus-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3304798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenzman Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Landspeeder tempest! Packs of 3... i would love to see this for wolves but i think an assault transport would be best for them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271155-a-flyer-fit-for-the-sons-of-russ-caestus-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3305070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 The cestus Ram to me looks rubbish. the storm eagle is so much nicer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271155-a-flyer-fit-for-the-sons-of-russ-caestus-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3305711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rift Blade Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Land Speeder Tempest is a FA choice for Wolves as per IA Aeronautica but its Afterburner rules suck. It's a flyer but can't shoot any weapons. Hope they FAQ it 'cause that really doesn't make any sense unless you can ram. And yes, 1-3 per pack/squadron. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271155-a-flyer-fit-for-the-sons-of-russ-caestus-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3306827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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