Daemons switching allegiance

[lillbro]

So, I was at my local GW the other day and saw this beautiful diorama of two chaos lords facing each other, both sitting atop a juggernaut. The only thing was that the one lord, of nurgle, had a nurglish juggernaut. This is a popular conversion I know, but it got me thinking. Fluff wise, is there any instance where a daemon would switch allegiance, such as a Khorne daemon giving it's soul to Nurgle, or any other of the dark gods?

[Vesper]

Considering the fact that daemons are part of their god, I can't picture a daemon willingly turning to another god. But I sure can picture some kind of enslavement of a daemon to an enemy god for some time, like some kind of curse. Or a weirdass absorbtion under rare circumstances or something along those lines.

[lillbro]

True, but although they are part of their patron gods, they can still turn on their creators. I just remembered an event where Tzeentch manipulated a bloodthirster into turning on Khorne. After his ass was whooped by khorne in return he was exiled. If it is possible to be "released" from a god in this way, technically one should be able to willingly serve some other god instead.

[Fibonacci]

For the conversion in question, the juggernaught does not need to actually be alive for Nurgal to use it.  No need to trick or enslave it; just reanimate the corpse.

[GenEngineer]

If your referring to the case of Skarbrand, I think it's safe to say that that only proves daemons can't truly betray. Tzeentch had to wait until Khorne was distracted, and his rebellion only lasted for the few moments before Khorne shut it down.

 

On a more general case, I think it would depend on how much autonomy the God chose to give the Daemon. Personally, I still think it's more likely a God would simply make a daemon in replica of one belonging to anther god than try and steal it away from his rival. After all, nobody truly ever trusts a traitor.

[Piousservant]

 

As Vesper said, Daemons are fragments of the Dark Gods so a straightfoward changing sides doesn't really work but there are alternatives. There's possibly more scope with Daemon Princes as they (in theory) are more independent. Also, rivalries do exist between Daemons of the same God, so it might be that a Greater Daemon /Daemon Prince works with the forces of another God to defeat a rival, which would sort of count?

 

 

I went with some a bit like that with my Daemons. The army is based around a Bloodthirster who defeated a Tzeentchian Daemon Prince and his minions in battle. Afterwards the Bloodthirster forced the Daemon Prince to serve him by building a new army to fight in Khornes name (through binding Daemons to machines and other dark sorcery - normally frowned on by Khorne I know but if it helps spill more blood...).

 

There's a little more too it than that though, as the Daemon Prince in question is Icarus, the leader of my Thousand Sons Coven. Little does the Bloodthirster know that he is being used as part of a convoluted plan bu the little princeling he thinks he bested...

[Cheex]

I went with some a bit like that with my Daemons. The army is based around a Bloodthirster who defeated a Tzeentchian Daemon Prince and his minions in battle. Afterwards the Bloodthirster forced the Daemon Prince to serve him by building a new army to fight in Khornes name (through binding Daemons to machines and other dark sorcery - normally frowned on by Khorne I know but if it helps spill more blood...).

There's a little more too it than that though, as the Daemon Prince in question is Icarus, the leader of my Thousand Sons Coven. Little does the Bloodthirster know that he is being used as part of a convoluted plan bu the little princeling he thinks he bested...

Dang, I have almost exactly the same thing for my Bloodthirster. There are a couple of subtle differences for me, though: the Bloodthirster knows he is being manipulated and just doesn't care, because it's helping him create wars.

[Piousservant]

Dang, I have almost exactly the same thing for my Bloodthirster. There are a couple of subtle differences for me, though: the Bloodthirster knows he is being manipulated and just doesn't care, because it's helping him create wars.

Heh, great (Daemonic) minds think alike...! :P

[Lord_Caerolion]

As others have said, the daemons essentially are the God, just on a micro scale. Even Skarbrand is still entirely Khornate, his entry even states "he serves Khorne more truly than ever before", or something along those lines. He's just the manifestation of Rage so deep that it causes brother to kill brother, and servant to attack master. They can't switch allegiance, because they are inherently part of their God.

To put it another way, a Bloodletter isn't just an emotion of rage given shape, it's part of Khorne given shape. Khorne has, metaphysically, removed part of himself and shaped it into a Bloodletter. Even though it might be separate, it's still part of the greater whole. A Bloodletter can't decide to stop being Khornate and turn to Tzeentch, any more than Khorne himself can say "screw it, I'm now being Second-Tzeentch!"

[lillbro]

Hmm, well I guess it would be rather paradoxal if a daemon left his gods. Thanks for the input guys! Another thing comes to mind though! As said earlier, skarbrand came as close as one comes to rebel, and is still loyal. BUT in some old fluff, Hashut the father of darkness is described as being a bloodletter turned rogue.

That fluff has since been disputed and disgarded, but the principle behind it might still apply. That is, that it's entirely possible to break free in the same manner that Hashut did (and yes, I know this is a 40k discussion, but when it comes to chaos, what's the difference)