Sicaran Battle Tank

[Kol Saresk]

Okay, so for those who don't know, this is the description up on Forgeworld's page:

 

"One of the most advanced armoured units in the arsenal of the Great Crusade, the Sicaran Battle Tank was the exclusive province of the Space Marine Legions. The Sicaran utilises component technologies from various STC patterns to create a high-speed ‘destroyer’ tank to complement the more commonplace Predator and Land Raider designs.

 

The primary armament of the main Sicaran variant is the sophisticated Herakles pattern accelerator autocannon, a superior rapid-firing and highly accurate weapon. It fires shells at far higher velocities than a standard autocannon, enabling it to successfully track and engage swift moving targets and pinpoint vulnerabilities in enemy armour with lethal precision. "

 

Would I be right in thinking this is an anti-tank tank?

 

And a while back, I was talking about building something like a light armor/calvary army. Could this take a spot in there as my anti-twnk department and leave me to focus the rest on transports and anti-infantry? Provided I manage it properly?

[spu00sed]

I'm looking forwards to the rules.

 

Will it have even more shots?

Stronger shots?

Ignore jinx saves?

What other secondary weapons will it have?

 

As for your questions it is hard to tell. The thing looks land raider size so we could be looking at AV13 4 hull points.

 

It would make a fine centrepiece flanked by predator squadrons. Shame we can't take razorbacks well. That would be a lovely armoured force.

[daryl]

From the description it looks very much like an anti-tank platform, but I doubt it is intended to be an counter to super heavies.  

[Kol Saresk]

Well I wasn't think that big lol. If I'm playing super heavies then I'll probably sink points into two or three and do some heavy coordination.

[calgar101]

It depends on its weapons as to whether it is a true anti-tank vehicle or if it is a light vehicle popper. It looks awesome though, definitely going to get one.

[Denison512]

I'm wondering whether they will throw out some 40k rules so we can use it in normal games :)

[Apothecary Vaddon]

Dunno if fluff-wise it could be considered a TD...TDs IRL often had lolhuge howitzers/powerful anti tank guns mounted on them (Hetzer, Hellcat, Archer, etc) on either turretless or turreted tops. The idea was that you could blow right past all that crazy frontal armor on the tanks and rip them apart from a distance, since all you were doing was mounting what would typically be infantry-mobile anti-tank guns onto the chassis of an existing tank. From the description for the Sicaran, it's not a dedicated TD, it's like a dedicated light/medium tank killer. Since there aren't really light or medium tanks in either HH or present time, it'd be more akin to a AA hunter or a transport killer.

Of course, if the Herakles pattern autocannon is more akin to a railgun than an autocannon, then all bets are off, and this thing could be a beast. But if it's still just an autocannon, the best it could do against an MBT in 40/30k would be to track it.

[Kol Saresk]

What about the lascannon sponsons? Would the "squadron" idea still work with all of that taken into account?

[GhostMalone]

if they are happy with predators and land raiders in a squad I reckon its a safe bet for 3 to be in the massacre release

[Cod]

Yes, it will be interesting to see the rules, and if up to 3 are allowed as a squadron. They would sell heaps that way too.

 

In the FW description, the part that says...

enabling it to successfully track and engage swift moving targets

 

I wonder if the 'swift' part is reference to skimmers also? As well as fast moving tanks/vehicles.

[Hyaenidae]

From the description it looks very much like an anti-tank platform, but I doubt it is intended to be an counter to super heavies.

Though it's obviously larger, I'm leaning more towards a Light Tank, capability wise. Like the defunct Sheridan, Stridsfordon 90, or even the M1128 Stryker. Instead of a modular design, though, it attempts to be a jack of all trades. With Las, it can target MBT's at an acceptable range. The AAC's can pick apart AFV's, IFV's and heavy infantry. The AAC's tied to a slick TarComp could cause low-n-slow airframes to drop from the sky due to TPS (Traumatic Perforation Syndrome). Heavier armour than a Pred, but lighter than a Raider, it could potentially fit a very obvious gap in Legion Mechanized units.

Time will tell, of course. Personally, It's size and height will preclude it from defense, being such a royal pain to put hull-down, and the loss of the Las if I did so. On the attack, though, it could have a very solid role as a Heavy Cavalry unit in a spearhead, or blended with a squadron of smaller Preds to flank and swipe.

Ahhhh, my inner Dog Faced Soldier is smiling warmly right now.

[AfroCampbell]

from the description and the weapon load-out, I think we are looking at a heavy-infantry/transport/skimmer killer. I'm gonna roll it with a 100pt Predator (autocannon + twin linked bolter sponsons) for some serious dakka. 

 

What I am interested is whether or not we will see different turret options....... Sicaran Executioner or Lascannon anybody? ;) 

on that note it was mentioned in a FW email that on gameday UK this year we would be seeing NEW TANKS (plural) shown off, alongside, primarch #3 (Ferrus Manus) and a new unit of Death Guard (yus!!!!)

[Rift Blade]

Like the look of it & it would be nice if there was 40K rules for it. Guess we'll just have to wait & see.

[hisdudeness]

I'm thinking the AAC will be a AC with more shots.  Balance wise, I don't see them upping the strength or AP.  More shots as S7 on a more robust platform would be great.

 

I would also not like to see 40k rules...keep it 30k so more people will want to play 30k lists instead of cherry picking cool 30k units for a 40k list.

[Kol Saresk]

Especially ince one of the oldest premises of 40K is that most of the technology of 30K does not survive the Heresy. Or at least, not in the hands of the Loyalists. Which is confusing since the Loyalists have more toys than the people who build things like stalker-tanks and planetkillers.

[Onisuzume]

It depends on its weapons as to whether it is a true anti-tank vehicle or if it is a light vehicle popper. It looks awesome though, definitely going to get one.

I suspect it'll be popping non-super-heavies.

Seeing the turret/weapon/description, I'd say Heavy 2, S7, AP3, Twin-Linked, Armourbane (or Lance). Tank Hunters on the tank might be possible too, but I think it'd be unlikely.

[Kol Saresk]

Yeah, I'm not expecting to go around popping Fellblades and Glaives with only one of the things, I'm just thinking that maybe if it is strong enough, a squadron of the things would be very decent anti-armor. Maybe not against super-heavies, but still a decent shot.

[hisdudeness]

I'm thinking that the AAC will be Heavy 3 or 4 version of a normal AC. Giving it Armourbane would make even a normal AC a good TD and even superheavy killer.

[Telhdrat]

I'm thinking that the AAC will be Heavy 3 or 4 version of a normal AC. Giving it Armourbane would make even a normal AC a good TD and even superheavy killer.

 

Given that the basic Predator autocannon is already a Heavy 4 in Betrayal, that would be a bit underwhelming. I'd say armourbane would fit the description quite well, but we'll just have to wait (come on September, get here already!) and see.

[hisdudeness]

True that, completely forgot about the Pred Cannon. 

 

Humm, adding armourbane and the side Lascannons might make it too powerful.  Even at Heavy 2/armourbane with 2 lascannons can drop a landraider in one turn. 

 

I can't wait either. Already have the money earmarked for pre-order.

[Raven Angel]

It will probably be Hvy 4 or better. The cool thing is that there is room in the design for a bigger AT gun

[Kol Saresk]

Maybe they'll throw in an overheat thing? To balance it out?

[Onisuzume]

Maybe they'll throw in an overheat thing? To balance it out?

Maybe if it had Lance.

It will probably be Hvy 4 or better. The cool thing is that there is room in the design for a bigger AT gun

Yeah, I forgot they had better autocannons during the heresy. >_>