RolandTHTG Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I see it as a maze, one in “which all I have to do is find the route through. So, considering that Tzeentch's home domain is described as a massive, ever-changing maze, I wonder if Loyal Magnus isn't as free as he thinks he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 It's horus as the lodge symbol would still be the luna wolves icon. It's finally coming together :D Magnus could sacrafice this part of his soul against Horus to save the khan. Plus chondax and prospero are relatively close to terra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 It's horus as the lodge symbol would still be the luna wolves icon. It's finally coming together Magnus could sacrafice this part of his soul against Horus to save the khan. Plus chondax and prospero are relatively close to terra That's what I'm betting. The good Magnus sacrifices whats left of himself to let the Khan escape and maybe points the way back to terra for him. Tragedy is that the Khan might have to face the leftover Magnus on Terra and remind him that it is never too late to turn back, which leads Magnus to go back to the planet of sorcerers and contemplate endlessly. just speculating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 It feels like it would be honourable for Magnus to still keep his loyalty till before terra. He was an egotistical know it all bastard but he was never a traitor. I'd feel it as a honourable death. All that's good in him sacrificed for jaghati leaving a bitter shell of resentment on the planet of sorcerers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Entirely possible, yeah, that Magnus is still trying to find his way through the maze, and therefore playing his part as the bad guy to get his goal. Who knows (well, besides the authors who meet every year at BL HQ)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Did the shade say he would stay in the cave or is he going to follow Khan out of the cave? Also begs the question, since Khârn said he went into the lower caves to retrieve the moon wolf symbol Horus gave to Magnus, did Magnus talk to Khârn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnostiko Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Good Magnus, Bad Magnus? Really? Without stepping on anyone's toes I think the snippets we've seen have been interpreted a little too literally; seems to me that the 'Magnus' Khan is speaking to is nothing more than an imprint or echo of the Primarch. Given his level of psychic might it isn't shark-jumping to assume this echo would be more than just a revenant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 With all Ghost Magnus's talk of being slaves to genetic coding, the Primarchs as machines, and constrained choices...I don't know. It still seems like he doesn't want to acknowledge the role he played in his own damnation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 That akward moment when you wait 20+ minutes for someone just to post something because: POSTS FOR THE POST GOD, THREDS FOR THE THREAD THRONE!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 He accepts his faults though and that he accepts his role and would like forgiveness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Did the shade say he would stay in the cave or is he going to follow Khan out of the cave? Also begs the question, since Khârn said he went into the lower caves to retrieve the moon wolf symbol Horus gave to Magnus, did Magnus talk to Khârn? I don't think he mentioned anything about following the Khan. Keep in mind the Magnus Shade admits that "magnus" is elsewhere (probably his new planet of sorcerors) and "contemplating" things. Obviously this version non prospero version of Magnus is going to take his side against the emperor and maintain a since of animosity for the Space Wolves. (Invasion of Fenris post heresy/scouring). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Has anyone read the latest installment yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Just finished it updates for XI coming soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Just finished it updates for XI coming soon it's out already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 So the khan pretty much said to Magnus have you become a deamon, Magnus agrees if he was restored that would've caused issues with the galaxy. Magnus tells him that he has seen the real future and that whatever path is taken leads to the same outcome, were introduced to the “Sojutsu-pattern voidbikes were larger and more brutal than the Scimitar-class machines” Shiban launches his group against the flagship trying to board the swirdstorm, the terminators try to break through to jaghati but all manner of warp creatures of prospero try stop them. The khan saves them and reveals that the warp runs in all the primarchs no matter what malcadore and others say. He then announces “Everything we were told was the truth. This world bears the kill-mark of Russ, just as we were told, but Magnus had already fallen, just as we were told. Behind them all stands Horus, the Lord of Primarchs.’ He looked up into the skies. ‘They were all to blame. There is no one traitor – there is only a web, stretching back in time, clutching at us all. And now it comes for us.” And mortarion appears to be our guest :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 So the khan pretty much said to Magnus have you become a deamon, Magnus agrees if he was restored that would've caused issues with the galaxy. Magnus tells him that he has seen the real future and that whatever path is taken leads to the same outcome, were introduced to the “Sojutsu-pattern voidbikes were larger and more brutal than the Scimitar-class machines” Shiban launches his group against the flagship trying to board the swirdstorm, the terminators try to break through to jaghati but all manner of warp creatures of prospero try stop them. The khan saves them and reveals that the warp runs in all the primarchs no matter what malcadore and others say. He then announces “Everything we were told was the truth. This world bears the kill-mark of Russ, just as we were told, but Magnus had already fallen, just as we were told. Behind them all stands Horus, the Lord of Primarchs.’ He looked up into the skies. ‘They were all to blame. There is no one traitor – there is only a web, stretching back in time, clutching at us all. And now it comes for us.” And mortarion appears to be our guest Is there any interaction with Mortarion, or is he just seen at the end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 he has a nice convo ill post it up in an hour, the end starts with them tensing for the fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Voidbikes? Specifically said to be voidbikes? Huh. I wonder what that entails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Yes void bikes ill post a bigger description Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 “Mortarion took a few steps towards the Khan. Qin Xa moved to intervene, but the Khan gave him a wordless battle-sign, and he retreated with the others. The two primarchs stood alone, shadowed by their respective bodyguards. Mortarion was a little broader, the Khan a little taller. Mortarion’s armour was heavy, almost crude, where the Khan’s was fine-wrought. Silence was a gigantic weapon forged from a chunk of adamantium “glittering with archeotech fixings; the Khan’s dao was a slender, perfectly curved piece of flawless metal, deriving its strength from its form rather than its size. It could be made to move faster than any blade in the Imperium. Speed against implacability. An interesting contest. ‘You were not meant to be here,’ said Mortarion. ‘You were meant to join the Alpha Legion at Alaxxes.’ The Khan nodded. ‘Or return to Terra.’ ‘We did not wish that. Why would we?’ ‘The Alpha Legion held us at Chondax. They wanted us to hear from Dorn.’ Mortarion raised a hairless eyebrow. ‘Indeed? You surprise me, but perhaps you shouldn’t. It seems that Alpharius is never wholly of one mind.’ He chuckled darkly. ‘He plays a dangerous game. His own intrigues will throttle him.’ ‘So why you?’ asked the Khan. ‘Why not me, brother?’ ‘I assumed it would be Horus.’ ‘Vanity. He has many things to keep him “busy.’ The Khan’s eyes narrowed. Mortarion did not seem too sure of himself. For all the show, all the projected force, he was on shaky ground. ‘Horus didn’t send you, did he?’ ‘That means nothing.’ ‘It means everything,’ said the Khan, studying his brother’s reaction. ‘Magnus told me how the war stands – some souls are still to be decided on. There were always those of us on the edge. I was one, you were another.’ Mortarion snorted. ‘My Legion was at Isstvan, so put aside any thoughts that we are not committed. The outcome is already determined, and your choice is simple – preservation or destruction. Come, Jaghatai, you’ve never even believed in Unity. You saw through it even when Guilliman was lecturing us all to tears, back when there were still xenos standing between our father and the galaxy’s edge.’ ‘Then tell me the alternative.’ ‘A galaxy of warriors,’ said Mortarion. 'A “galaxy of hunters, where the strong are given their freedom. A galaxy in which there is no dead hand at the tiller, constraining us, lying to us.’ ‘And all this led by Horus.’ Mortarion shrugged. ‘He’s the start. He is the champion, the sacrificial king. He may burn himself out to get to Terra, he may not. Either way, there will be room for others to rise.’ Mortarion drew closer, and the Khan smelt the chemical tang of his armour. ‘You should never have thrown your lot in with the Angel, brother, let alone Magnus. I hated to see it, the three of you, getting dragged in deeper. I always thought you’d break away, see through it, get tired of the hypocrisy.’ ‘They were never hypocrites.’ ‘No?’ Mortarion exhaled a parched laugh. ‘I hoped you’d have understood them sooner. It’s the warp, Jaghatai. Our father tried to pretend it wasn’t there, as if he weren’t already up to his elbows in its soul-sucking filth. It should have been cordoned off, put away, forgotten about. It’s not for us. It’s a sickness, a blight. “Mortarion became agitated. He calmed down slowly, wheezing through his gas-shrouded mask. The Khan heard a faint hiss, and guessed at what kind of suppressants had been shunted into his bloodstream. ‘I see what has happened,’ he said, quietly. Mortarion cocked his head. ‘Oh?’ ‘You were always sincere, I will give you that,’ said the Khan. ‘You never hid what you wanted. I can guess how you thought it would go. First, hobble the sorcerers. Silence the witches. Drive them out, and rule passes to the uncorrupted. The healthy. That was your great project. You even told me of it, that day on Ullanor. I thought back then that they were empty threats, but I should have known. You do not make empty threats.’ As the Khan spoke, Mortarion’s mask-locked expression remained inscrutable. Every so often his eyes would go filmy, or his finger would twitch. There was a kind of febrile energy about him, spilling out of the cracks just as the noxious fumes did. ‘But it has gone wrong, hasn’t it?’ The “Khan went on. ‘You have completed your great mission, but there are more sorcerers than ever. Horus has sponsored them, Lorgar has shown them new tricks. If Magnus has not already made up his mind then he soon will, and then you will be surrounded. You’ve destroyed the Librarius only to find the witches are now untrammelled. They played you well. You have done their work for them, and soon you will be dragged into it yourself, as warp-sick as they are.’ ‘You think that–’ ‘I see it perfectly. Magnus showed me. Your Legion may be free of it for now, but the change will come. You made your pacts, and now they will come to collect. You fool.’ Mortarion stiffened. His eyes blazed with anger for a second, quickly quelled. ‘You do not–’ ‘And that is why you came to find me,’ said the Khan. ‘You’ve run out of friends. Who will stand with you against the aether-weavers now? Angron? What an ally. Curze? Good luck.’ The Khan gazed at Mortarion disdainfully. ‘You’ve tasted the fruits of “treachery and found them bitter. Don’t drag me into your ruin. You’re on your own, brother.’ Mortarion’s expression fractured behind the mask – shifting into an enraged snarl, disfiguring rapidly. Silence quivered, and he took half a step forward, his free fist clenching. ‘I came to give you a choice,’ Mortarion said, keeping his voice under control with some difficulty. ‘Half your Legion are already declared for Horus, the others will follow wherever you order them. Our father’s time is over – you can be a part of the order that replaces him.’ The Khan smiled – a cold smile, imperious in its contempt. ‘A new emperor.’ Mortarion glared back at him, though he could not hide the doubt. ‘Why not? Why should it not be you?’ The Khan nodded, finally understanding. ‘Or you. Why not indeed?’ He drew closer, noticing for the first time the discolouration of the skin around the edge of his brother’s rebreather. How long had he worn it? 'I'll “tell you why. Because we were never the empire-builders. We were the outriders. You chafed at it, I embraced it.’ Mortarion began to back away. As he did so, Silence crackled into life, sparking with green-tinged energy. The Deathshroud lowered their scythes in a combat posture. ‘Then you will not be persuaded,’ said Mortarion, his filtered voice sunken into a surly growl. ‘A shame. I invested much energy to save you, brother. I shall take no pleasure in your destruction.’ Behind the Khan, the keshig readied their blades. ‘And there is the difference between you and me,’ said the Khan, moving his dao into guard. ‘By the time I make my kills, I am always laughing' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarSpirit Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Promising fight for next week ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Any other queries I'll try answer they're wasn't that much interesting stuff other then mortarion and the void jetbike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I unfortunately feel that due to plot armor, the Khan will not fall. Pity that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verity Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I like the little "healthy" and "uncorrupted" bits...poor Mortarion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted October 16, 2013 Author Share Posted October 16, 2013 Called it on Mortarion knew it would be him. Didn't read the conversation I'll wait till I read it tomorrow (later today it's 1am already >.<) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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