Digital codex?

[WAR]

Do we have an idea of how much the download will cost....we talking $ I hate you gw (wraith knight) or $ weren't tactical marines 20 bucks at one point or $ so your telling me I can buy this one pose battle of black reach commander/ captain redo or save 10 bucks and buy this one in the box with more options ?

[BitsHammer]

Well, outside of what you pay your internet service provider (assuming your not bootlegging the neighbor's wifi), the iPad codex runs $40 USD, and the BL ebook version is $33 USD. If you don't have an iPad, get the BL version as with an ereader app (and yes, there are free ones out there) you can open it even on your computer.

[Fibonacci]

Do we have an idea of how much the download will cost....we talking $ I hate you gw (wraith knight) or $ weren't tactical marines 20 bucks at one point or $ so your telling me I can buy this one pose battle of black reach commander/ captain redo or save 10 bucks and buy this one in the box with more options ?

More $ didn't we pay this much for the printed Witch Hunter codex.

[AdmLancel]

 

Do we have an idea of how much the download will cost....we talking $ I hate you gw (wraith knight) or $ weren't tactical marines 20 bucks at one point or $ so your telling me I can buy this one pose battle of black reach commander/ captain redo or save 10 bucks and buy this one in the box with more options ?

More $ didn't we pay this much for the printed Witch Hunter codex.

 

I forget, but inflation since 2004 was not insignificant.  This one calculator I saw said it would be $24.76 for something that cost $20 in 2004.

[*Furyou Miko]

We're talking the difference between £12 and £20.

[AdmLancel]

Alright, yeah, then inflation doesn't cover all that then. Barely over a third.

[Marshall Bretton]

Well, outside of what you pay your internet service provider (assuming your not bootlegging the neighbor's wifi), the iPad codex runs $40 USD, and the BL ebook version is $33 USD. If you don't have an iPad, get the BL version as with an ereader app (and yes, there are free ones out there) you can open it even on your computer.

wait so i will be able to read this on my pc? would love to know more details about what i would need to do, i have no tablet and i really cba getting this on my phone. if i could have it on my pc i would be happy

[tvih]

Yes, the eBook version works fine on the PC, you just need a free reader software (of which there are several) for it.

[*Furyou Miko]

Free ebook reading software:

 

http://www.ereader.com/ereader/software/product/15009_pro_win.htm

 

http://calibre-ebook.com/download_windows

[Nicodemus Doloroso]

Alright, yeah, then inflation doesn't cover all that then. Barely over a third.

 

Some things have gone up in price a lot more than others.

 

Oil, an important ingredient in making plastic, was under $40 a barrel in 2004, whereas it's up around $100 now. Games Workshop has changed their technology and their artists have improved in skill, so you are also paying more for increased quality. You also get a lot more bitz in the new plastic kits, so you're paying for that as well. So it's really not fair to compare a 2004 Tactical Marine kit to a 2013 one ... plus were they really $20? I sure don't remember prices that low.

[Fibonacci]

Can't the iBook version be opened through iTunes as well?  I am not sure but it certianly makes sense that it would.

[tvih]

The Apple version of the Codex is an actual iOS app rather than simply a "book file" like the eBook version is, so sadly it only works on iPad.

[Rizara]

I don't recall them being 20 bucks, but I do recall them being 25 dollars in 2004, as the plastic kit when I worked at GW was around 25.  Of course books were 20 for a codex, and white dwarf was still 5 dollars an issue and was good back then lol.   But that was also still in the days of 3rd edition, and prior to GW going public and basically going from a gaming company ran by gamers to one ran by CEO's who only care about profit profit profit and could care less if they run the hobby into the ground.   They also had 5-6 people working in a GW store, and open 7 days a week, compared to the 5 days a week, one man show they got for stores now.   They also had that little program called Rogue Traders, who were basically hobbyist who would organize events, and get product as a reward for running demos and tournaments.   Man the times have changed.  And yes, quality has gotten better, but come on...can we get some new models already, the basic sister has been around since 97 which was when I got into the hobby.    They are still the same old models, with a few new ones added over the years, but i want some new models to go along with this over inflated white dwarf revamp dex for 6th edition.    It was the least they could have done, by introducing at least a plastic kit or two, or at the very least, fine cast versions of the models, so they could still be somewhat affordable, instead of these models that were made years ago, when pewter/tin was cheaper, and they are just raising the price to liquidate the stocks they have.   And yes I say stocks they still have, because of the fact that they are still pushing the same models but some mini's are no longer available such as the alternative seraphim superior model they released with witch hunters codex, and the fact that seraphim as a unit do not come with a seraphim superior standard anymore.  

[boreas]

Yes, the eBook version works fine on the PC, you just need a free reader software (of which there are several) for it.

Can it be printed?

[tvih]

 

Yes, the eBook version works fine on the PC, you just need a free reader software (of which there are several) for it.

Can it be printed?

 

With some programs - or by converting to a more printable format via various means - most likely, but it depends on your country's laws whether that (well, both the conversion as well as the actual printing) is actually legal or not.

[AdmLancel]

 

Alright, yeah, then inflation doesn't cover all that then. Barely over a third.

 

Some things have gone up in price a lot more than others.

 

Oil, an important ingredient in making plastic, was under $40 a barrel in 2004, whereas it's up around $100 now. Games Workshop has changed their technology and their artists have improved in skill, so you are also paying more for increased quality. You also get a lot more bitz in the new plastic kits, so you're paying for that as well. So it's really not fair to compare a 2004 Tactical Marine kit to a 2013 one ... plus were they really $20? I sure don't remember prices that low.

No, I get all that, but I thought we were just comparing the old codex: Witchhunters to this codex, where no price of materials should have a direct impact on price due to it being digital only.  Perhaps server capacity, but the framework for that exists now.  Heck, it seems plausible that we are only see a Sisters codex update because it is now very easy for them to get goods out via the digital medium.  Admittedly the quality of art is valid, though much of the art shown in the previews of the new codex were lifted from Dark Heresy materials (the Sisterhood gets a lot of attention in Dark Heresy).  That said, the new cover is badass.

 

Not that I'm complaining, a new Sororitas codex is a new Sororitas codex, I was just running with the discussion.

[*Furyou Miko]

Yes, the eBook version works fine on the PC, you just need a free reader software (of which there are several) for it.

Can it be printed?

You can convert it into a .pfd file using Calibre, a free eBook manager software that I linked above, and then print away.

Binding it might be a little harder if you want to do it properly. You'll need paper glue, a needle and waxed thread, a vice and some thick card to make covers out of.

No, I get all that, but I thought we were just comparing the old codex: Witchhunters to this codex, where no price of materials should have a direct impact on price due to it being digital only. Perhaps server capacity, but the framework for that exists now. Heck, it seems plausible that we are only see a Sisters codex update because it is now very easy for them to get goods out via the digital medium. Admittedly the quality of art is valid, though much of the art shown in the previews of the new codex were lifted from Dark Heresy materials (the Sisterhood gets a lot of attention in Dark Heresy). That said, the new cover is badass.

Not that I'm complaining, a new Sororitas codex is a new Sororitas codex, I was just running with the discussion.

The art is probably what cost the most about this new codex. Artists are very precious about costing their work, since it's hard for them to sell much.

[Zincite]

So it's really not fair to compare a 2004 Tactical Marine kit to a 2013 one ... plus were they really $20? I sure don't remember prices that low.

Sadly I don't have any publications from 2004, but I have the White Dwarf from May 2003 and it gives the following prices. It's pretty interesting to compare them.

 

Tactical Squad - £15/€25

Codex: Daemonhunters - £10/€17.50

Grey Knights Squad - £15/€25 (5 metal miniatures with special weapon and sergeant)

Grey Knight Terminators - £30/€50 (4 metal terminators and brother-captain)

Cadian Shock Troops - £6/€10 (3 metal miniatures)

 

 

I have the 2006 catalogue too. The Terminators had not changed in price. The Cadians had been updated to plastic, but comparable non-plastic units throughout the catalogue (including SoB) remain at £6 for three grunt miniatures. Otherwise, its prices are -

 

Tactical Squad - £18

Codex: Daemonhunters/Witchhunters - £12

Grey Knights Squad - £18

 

Sisters of Battle Squad - £20 (10 figures, flamer, storm bolter, Superior with plasma pistol + chainsword)

Seraphim Squad - £20 (5 figures with hand flamer model and Superior)

£6 for 3 standard sisters or 2 random sisters with special weapons. Individual Seraphim and heavy weapon sisters are £5 each. Random Sister Superior model is £4.

[Lucien Eilam]

The price won't have anything to do with printing or hosting costs. They reportedly added a ton of new staff to support the new higher paced release schedule. Staff are pretty much always the biggest cost.

 

Can't the iBook version be opened through iTunes as well?  I am not sure but it certianly makes sense that it would.

 

No, iTunes can't open any kind of book. OS X Mavericks out later this month includes a Mac version of iBooks and can open Multi-Touch Books, so if you have a Mac you'll be able to read it on that. Otherwise the enhanced version is iPad only.

[Fibonacci]

Does anyone know if BL eBooks are DRM encrypted (I think they would be) and if so by what version?

[Lucien Eilam]

Nothing you buy from the BL site has DRM. They don't have a DRM server, they're just plain downloads from the web site.

 

Through the iBookstore, none of the regular books I've bought are protected, but some of the Multi-Touch Books are. There doesn't seem to be any pattern, it might just be whoever uploads them remembering to switch it on. It isn't really a big deal, because nothing else can even open a Multi-Touch Book.

 

The iBookstore is a bit more convenient, because iBooks will download updates automatically. If you buy through BL you have to know that there's an update, delete your copy, and manually download it again. Obviously that only works with Apple stuff, but the unprotected regular books can be copied onto anything that can open EPUB.

[boreas]

You can convert it into a .pfd file using Calibre, a free eBook manager software that I linked above, and then print away.

 

Binding it might be a little harder if you want to do it properly. You'll need paper glue, a needle and waxed thread, a vice and some thick card to make covers out of.

 

Haha, thanks, that would be quite a project :) As for the binding, I get all my codice printed at a store with spiral binding and plastic cover. Easier to keep them opened at some page and I can write notes, add postits, highlight some rules, etc... Mind you, I only ever print codice I legally own.

[BitsHammer]

You can convert it into a .pfd file using Calibre, a free eBook manager software that I linked above, and then print away.

Binding it might be a little harder if you want to do it properly. You'll need paper glue, a needle and waxed thread, a vice and some thick card to make covers out of.

Haha, thanks, that would be quite a project As for the binding, I get all my codice printed at a store with spiral binding and plastic cover. Easier to keep them opened at some page and I can write notes, add postits, highlight some rules, etc... Mind you, I only ever print codice I legally own.

You can have that done with the old softbacks too at Staples or Office Max. I wouldn't recommend it on the hard covers though. :P

[boreas]

Well, one could, theoretically, find a pdf copy on the internet and have that printed at Staples (although doing so is illegal if you don't own the book. If you OWN the book, it's legal in some countries). Obvioulsy, if I can buy and convert the Codex:AS to PDF, it's the best way to go.

[Fibonacci]

Nothing you buy from the BL site has DRM. They don't have a DRM server, they're just plain downloads from the web site.

Through the iBookstore, none of the regular books I've bought are protected, but some of the Multi-Touch Books are. There doesn't seem to be any pattern, it might just be whoever uploads them remembering to switch it on. It isn't really a big deal, because nothing else can even open a Multi-Touch Book.

The iBookstore is a bit more convenient, because iBooks will download updates automatically. If you buy through BL you have to know that there's an update, delete your copy, and manually download it again. Obviously that only works with Apple stuff, but the unprotected regular books can be copied onto anything that can open EPUB.

Fantastic! That took a load off my mind.

You can convert it into a .pfd file using Calibre, a free eBook manager software that I linked above, and then print away.

Binding it might be a little harder if you want to do it properly. You'll need paper glue, a needle and waxed thread, a vice and some thick card to make covers out of.

Haha, thanks, that would be quite a project As for the binding, I get all my codice printed at a store with spiral binding and plastic cover. Easier to keep them opened at some page and I can write notes, add postits, highlight some rules, etc... Mind you, I only ever print codice I legally own.

I used to take the soft back codices to Kinko's for the spiral bound with laminated covers treatment. They are easier to keep with you and open during games that way. While I do like the hard backs for storage and longevity, they are no where near as convenient or easy to carry as the paperbacks.