Eddie Orlock Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 A. D-B. openly expressed his interest in doing an AS book a while ago but I haven't heard anything about it since. Maybe some day. Fixed that for you per our recent thread. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281312-blood-of-asaheim/page/2/#findComment-3485767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonny Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 well, ADB also stated that if he does a book about your favorite faction, it's probably your favorite faction getting thrown in some hellhole and fighting losing battles left right and center. I guess that's what you get when you have an interesting non-roflstomping hero. While I am an absolute fan of these kinds of stories, and would love ADB to write about how my lamenters get roflstomped by tyranids (because, hell, that's what happened in the background, but not due to a lack of skill on the Lamenter's part), they're not for everyone. So be careful what you wish for. And, to be fair, a book earlier discussed in here about having sisters in the was written by ADB. Hellsreach. And while they're sidelined for the most part, and don't feature in the book heavily, I guess that's only fair as the narrative just brings them that way. What I did like was that when the sisters arrived on the page, they were done (in my oppinion) really nicely. The younger sisters obviously cared for their elderly palantine, who seemed a caring but strict figure who was all to willing and able to don her power armour to do her duty fighting the ork incursion. They were shown as humans with emotions and worries, but willing to stand up and do their duty, and weren't, in any way, a complete fool in doing those duties. They even made better tactical decisions than the main protagonists, the black templars (as admitted by one of those templar to himself), when the templar led a sortie out to recover their relic blade against inadvisable odds. Ultimately, they were well rounded characters, as far removed from the PDF and guardsmen as they were from the Space Marines. They all had their emotions, motivations, and worries, but all three of those 'factions' were very far removed from one another. And I thought that made it all the better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281312-blood-of-asaheim/page/2/#findComment-3485808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted October 5, 2013 Author Share Posted October 5, 2013 I may attempt to... borrow... Helsreach...after that review.. But after Asaheim, there's no way I'm buying it first. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281312-blood-of-asaheim/page/2/#findComment-3486133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zincite Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I may attempt to... borrow... Helsreach...after that review.. But after Asaheim, there's no way I'm buying it first. As far as I remember - I borrowed it from a library myself - the Sisters didn't get a great deal of spotlight, and their appearance probably wouldn't be worth the price of a book. But it is a very good novel. Filled with gritty grimdarkness. No hope and lots of ignorance and death. Traditional 40k, at its finest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281312-blood-of-asaheim/page/2/#findComment-3486283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinnerBeta Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 And written back in the "yeah, we pray to the Emperor and worship but we totally don't think he's a god" fluff era. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281312-blood-of-asaheim/page/2/#findComment-3486332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 And written back in the "yeah, we pray to the Emperor and worship but we totally don't think he's a god" fluff era.Oh, the good old days Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281312-blood-of-asaheim/page/2/#findComment-3486367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinnerBeta Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Never bought those lies, I knew it was just a matter of time until they come out the closet and admit to be theists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281312-blood-of-asaheim/page/2/#findComment-3486547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I never thought the BT weren't. Heck, I had them as my favorite loyal Chapter because, like my beloved XVII, they were completely devoted to destruction in the name of a higher power. Just like the SoB, come to think of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281312-blood-of-asaheim/page/2/#findComment-3486567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Never bought those lies, I knew it was just a matter of time until they come out the closet and admit to be theists. Those "lies" happen to be in line with pre-existing BT fluff while this maneuver Crud-Ace pulled goes totally against it. Of course those who don't bother to look into BT further than seeing "religious zealots" might not notice that, but that doesn't make it any less true. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281312-blood-of-asaheim/page/2/#findComment-3486938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinnerBeta Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Poor thing, still can't see the light of truth that is the Emperor's divinity. I'll reread the old codex in some spare time, but I don't recall reading anything about them being the followers of the Imperial Truth back when I played them in 4e. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281312-blood-of-asaheim/page/2/#findComment-3486953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 It's not directly stated in the old codex as such, but neither is following the Imperial Creed. It's a combination of many things - there was a post about it in the BT subforum that put it better than I ever could, but the SoB forum really isn't the best place to discuss this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281312-blood-of-asaheim/page/2/#findComment-3487293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinnerBeta Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 So... the codex talks a lot about praying, venerating, and so on where other marines have only bits about meditating in the Primarch's chapel. Belief in Imperial Truth isn't stated. Just come out of the closet. We all know the chapter follows the Imperial Creed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281312-blood-of-asaheim/page/2/#findComment-3487409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denison512 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 As a SW fanatic i was pretty disapointed by this book and not for the reasons you think! A lot of it made no sense at all such as a blood claw armed with a measly axe managing to kill a death guard chaos space marine in a few seconds when previously it had taken multiple Wolves to bring a guy down with power weapons. I agree wholeheartedly with Miko though the Sisters should have killed more of them i seem to remember that when they built the fortifications they made choke points for flamers to be more effective? Something i just thought of something did it describe the sisters of killing dozens IN the church or in total? if its in the church then it might not be so bad. Consider the fact that the cultist zombies would have had weight of numbers and were fearless then the sisters would have been hard pressed to hold back the tide. Your gonna run out of fuel at some point right? Otherwise a book with weak sauce plot and was an obvious set up for a series from the first chapter. I can only hope the next book involves sisters again in a manner more suited to them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281312-blood-of-asaheim/page/2/#findComment-3487434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 So... the codex talks a lot about praying, venerating, and so on where other marines have only bits about meditating in the Primarch's chapel. Belief in Imperial Truth isn't stated. Just come out of the closet. We all know the chapter follows the Imperial Creed. And that only shows you don't know anything about the chapter. Well done Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281312-blood-of-asaheim/page/2/#findComment-3487443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Just come out of the closet. We all know the chapter follows the Imperial Creed. "Helbrecht! Come out of the closet!" shouted Commissar Yarrick, as he banged on the door to the High Marshal's quarters. "No." "Throne of Terra, man, it's okay! Your lads pray to the Emperor all the time, they get visions from him before every battle, the whole 'Imperial Truth and atheism rah rah rah!' didn't even EXIST when they made you! It doesn't matter if you worship the God-Emperor now! HELBRECHT, COME OUT OF THE CLOSET" "Does too and I won't!" "By the Allfather's sideburns, I'll handle this!" shouted Logan Grimnar, as he ripped the door of off its hinges and stormed into Helbrecht's chambers. Yarrick could hear the thundering boom of the Great Wolves voice as he stomped around inside. "Hiding inside a closet while the blasted greenskins run amuck...if you won't come out, I'll go in and DRAG you out of the closet! Hmmm. Actually it's quite nice in here." Yarrick put his fingers to his temples. That's much manlier than it sounds when you realize one of his hands is a Power Claw. "Oh no, Logan, not you too! Come ON! Your chapter thinks the Emp...the Allfather gathers them to his side when they die, so they can fight in his army at the end of time! COME OUT OF THE CLOSET!" "That doesn't mean we worship him as a god, though!" "COME OUT OF THE CLOSET, LOGAN!" "NO!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281312-blood-of-asaheim/page/2/#findComment-3487483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted October 7, 2013 Author Share Posted October 7, 2013 Wade... your heresy will be forgiven this time under the satire clause. See that we do not need to judge you again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281312-blood-of-asaheim/page/2/#findComment-3487501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 On the subject of Sisters stories in general - has anyone read this one? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281312-blood-of-asaheim/page/2/#findComment-3487533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoDoc Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Also screw Sister portray in Cain books.Why? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281312-blood-of-asaheim/page/2/#findComment-3487590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Aznable Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 On the subject of Sisters stories in general - has anyone read this one? I had read that before, not sure when, but it seems like a while ago. Miriael is the character from Daemonifuge, yes? I've only ever read the first installment of that, so I don't know all that much about her. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281312-blood-of-asaheim/page/2/#findComment-3487613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted October 7, 2013 Author Share Posted October 7, 2013 No, Ephrael Stern is the character from Daemonifuge. Miriael Sabathiel is the only Sister to ever fall to Chaos. She's one of Slaanesh's greatest warriors, and was originally mentioned in Codex: Sisters of Battle (2e). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281312-blood-of-asaheim/page/2/#findComment-3487743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 No, Ephrael Stern is the character from Daemonifuge. Miriael Sabathiel is the only Sister to ever fall to Chaos. She's one of Slaanesh's greatest warriors, and was originally mentioned in Codex: Sisters of Battle (2e). The only one to willingly fall. Some have been tricked, some have been corrupted, but only Miriael turned on her own. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281312-blood-of-asaheim/page/2/#findComment-3487765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinnerBeta Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 So... the codex talks a lot about praying, venerating, and so on where other marines have only bits about meditating in the Primarch's chapel. Belief in Imperial Truth isn't stated. Just come out of the closet. We all know the chapter follows the Imperial Creed. And that only shows you don't know anything about the chapter. Well done Sick burn. Completely proves me wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281312-blood-of-asaheim/page/2/#findComment-3487787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Sick burn. Completely proves me wrong.In no way have you proven yourself right either. Anyway, have a gander: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279792-not-everyone-likes-it-but-the-new-lore-is-interesting/page-4?do=findComment&comment=3457608 http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279792-not-everyone-likes-it-but-the-new-lore-is-interesting/page-4?do=findComment&comment=3458872 Or a TL;DR extract for those allergic to reading: "Sigismund was the EMPEROR's champion not just an Imperial Fist and he was personally going to make sure that the Emperor's vision never died, that his chapter of BTs would never forget their true purpose and never stop the crusade until the Emperor's goals were met and the Imperium was triumphant. That purity of purpose and uncompromising zeal is what makes the BTs fanatical not attributing divinity to the Emperor." They ruined something unique that was a big part of what drew me to the Templars to begin with. In no shape or form did BT ever at its founding think the Emperor was a God. They were insanely loyal to him and he said he wasn't. How does it in any way make sense for them to suddenly disobey him and start with the whole God business? Some loyalty that would be. The new codex is a complete bitchslap in the previous fluff's face in that regard. For Space Marines in general they don't consider the Emperor a God, and if the 4th Edition BT Codex wanted to suggest BT did, it would've said so - otherwise you go with the default SM assumption of "no, they don't." And then there's of course Blood and Fire (released only two months or so prior to the Codex), in which Grimaldus specifically states that the Emperor is not God-Emperor. So even the most authoritative BT BL writer didn't think of them as followers of Imperial Creed. That's quite a bit more convincing than some Internet loudmouth with a fetish about closets. The one relatively good bit about the new BT fluff is the part about Sisters, because based on existing fluff/fiction it makes sense to point out them having decent relations with the Sisters, regardless of Creed/Truth. Now if they only had wisened up and FAQed the ally table to reflect that, too, so that I wouldn't need to push for a house rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281312-blood-of-asaheim/page/2/#findComment-3487886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I didn't see any citations to Codexes, White Dwarf articles, or anything of that nature in those links you provided, just a bunch of "Internet blowhards" loudly stating what they consider the Black Templars to be, and varyingly sad or angry that Games Workshop DARED to contradict it. The only thing like a decent source for "NO WE DON'T WORSHIP THE EMPEROR!" is ADB's short story...which clashes with the novel Helsreach, where Grimmaldus threatens a Titan Princeps for insinuating the Emperor is not her deity, choses to make his last stand in a place sacred to the Ecclesiarchy and accepts a blessing in the name of the God Emperor from an SoB Canoness. Which was also written by ADB. Huh? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281312-blood-of-asaheim/page/2/#findComment-3487900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 You know, they have forums to argue about the fluff for other chapters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281312-blood-of-asaheim/page/2/#findComment-3487901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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