Alternate Heresy Community Project

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

Must admit I am not sure on The red king dying at the start of the heresy, as with him and Anubis down we don't really have a psychic primarch to spearhead/organize an analogue to the Librarius dept,  though it could be interesting having Amon and Ahriman butting heads/working on it together after the heresy.
Do we have Ahriman's brother in this universe? Or is he still lost to the flesh change?
Also, does Fulgrim try his intervention businesses in this game, and if so, with whom?

I like the idea for the flaw, though it does sound almost like a benefit, though can't think anything beyond the whole "members sometimes go mad".
An idea I had was that upon being elected high king of the legion, the marine must first restore a creature of ancient terra, like their father did, either to replenish those lost when the sons of Barrabus launched their assault, or a species their father had not yet done so, upon their success they are confirmed as the lord of the Solar tigers and that creature is taking as their signal and is involved in their throne name (need a better name for it, but going on the Egyptian tradition of a king adopting a "king/throne" name when they became king).
 

[Conn Eremon]

Remember, Magnus is against the Librarium, and that is all going down before the Heresy.

 

I will probably keep Ahriman's brother dead, but who knows.

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

Ahh true had forgotten that. So is there even a librarian program?

[Wade Garrett]

-Cormac

 

Penitent Legions isn't quite what I'm thinking of, either.

 

Some of them are crooks who signed on because it was an escape from the jail cell or the noose, but some are genuine patriots who couldn't meet the fitness requirements of the Army, some are starving underhivers who thought free food and clothes was a fair deal for occasionally facing death, a few are pudgy, middle aged Munitorium clerks who decided anything-ANYTHING! was preferable to waking up to that harpy I married screeching at me every morning...you get the idea.

 

And the buying your way in is for officers and commanders. Anybody can sign up to carry a lasgun and dig latrines, but if you want rank, you'd better be prepared to fork over a lot of credits.

 

Which means your regiment could be led by anything from a crazy sixteen year old aristocrat who regards it all as playing with toy soldiers that actually bleed, an eccentric arms magnate who intends for you guys to be an advertisement for his next line of death dealing devices, or a retired Cadian Sgt who invested his pension wisely and misses the death screams of xenos and heretics.

 

-Ridcully

 

The Returned are all suffering the pain of their death wounds without being able to die every second of their existence.

 

As I saw it, the ones who have it together enough to moan "Kill me! KILLLL MMMEEE!" are the exception, with most incapable of anything more articulate than screams of suffering and rage.

[Conn Eremon]

Yes. Bron and Barabbas represent the worst dangers of it, which is why Magnus opposes it. Yes, he has psykers everywhere in his Legion, but he aims to limit their risk. This Magnus knows the threat of the Warp, like the canon Khan. Because of the White Scars and Sons of Barabbas heavily abusing the power, Magnus wants the other Legions to be forbidden in using it.

 

Sadly, the council that the Emperor had promised him never comes to pass, what with him being struck down and all.

 

Anubis could side with Magnus, wanting other Legions to have it forbidden.

 

Or he could be like canon Magnus, naively thinking the Warp safer than it is.

 

Or he could be like canon Khan, fully aware of the dangers but sees the Librarium as a control to prevent abuse.

 

Or he can take an entirely different view of your devising.

 

Edit: Fair enough. Do you think they can work as separate ideas?

[Conn Eremon]

You know what, why don't we stop editing posts? If you have an addition, make a new post, even if it is a double post. I keep getting confused about what is going on until I notice some earlier post was updated with entirely new stuff. Nine times out ten, I am on my phone, where I can only see a bit at a time.

 

Please?

[Adra'Melek]

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285810-the-infernal-legion-alternative-heresy/

 

Start of the WIP

[Wade Garrett]

The Penitents might work better as a Lectio or Catheric force, promised that all their past sins and any they commit in the future will be forgiven as long as they die fighting God/the God Emperor's enemies.

 

"Get control of your men, damn you! We didn't fight for three months to reclaim this hive so those animals you call a battalion could loot it to the foundations!"

 

"If the God Emperor wishes for these people to be spared, he need only knock our blades aside. As long as he does not do so, we will visit his wrath on them."

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

Anubis's position is that psychic powers are a great boon to the legions, but need training, guidance and supervision, not being so powerful as cannon Mangus, and being a far more subtle fellow who isn't open to big displays of power he isn't so enamored/addicted to it as cannon magnus.

[Wade Garrett]

After much thought in regards to the Post Heresy "Expendable Guard", I've decided to call them the Auxiliaries if no one else comes up with a real knock your socks off moniker.

 

They're a mixture of the East India Trading Company, French Foreign Legion, and Blackwater. Some consider them much more dashing and emblematic of the ordinary Imperial citizen than the Army or the Astartes.

 

Others think they're a mob of the incompetent and the criminal led by the greedy and the insane.

 

Enlisted are anyone who can give the same answer two out of three times when the recruiter asks "What is your name?"

 

Officers purchase their commissions and often supplement the kit of their men with their private funds as well, the Auxiliary Board of Directors does equip its forces with a certain amount of standard equipment but this tends to be on the meager side.

 

Some order is kept by the Enforcers, recruited from the regular Army ranks to ensure things don't get too out of line. There are two beliefs among the Auxiliaries regarding their minders:

 

They have no sense of humor at all, OR they find floggings and firing squads absolutely hilarious.

 

Auxiliaries are NEVER, under any circumstances, no exceptions, allowed to command spaceships. They must rely on the Army, Munitorium, and Mechanicus to move from world to world.

 

The regular Army views them with a mixture of envy (when the Auxiliaries are still snoring off a night of boozing while the regulars are up before dawn for a ten mile run and practice on the firing range) and contempt (when their ranks break before the Ork charge even hits the front of their lines, and the battle is won by Regular Basilisks shelling the mayhem as the greenskins try to slaughter every all those running away).

[Ace Debonair]

I'm not gonna lie, I've never really been a fan of the canon Emperor's Children's legion badge. It's not that it's bad, I just never really felt it made sense for the Legion.

If I can get away with replacing it, so much the better.

Also, I don't feel like I've really made the legion my own if I don't do something beyond swapping gold trim for silver.

[Adra'Melek]

Does a simple spear do it for you? Or a tilted one with silver blood dripping off it (is that an Eldar/Elf one?). Then you could go a Dragon icon with a spear going though it which was talked about earlier.

[Ace Debonair]

Well.

There's always the risk I might paint a model or two from each of my Legions, so the simpler the symbol the happier I'll be, because I am a terrible painter and the mere thought of trying to freehand tends to send me into extra-jittery mode.

So I'd like a simple symbol for entirely selfish reasons, in other words.

So maybe a simple vertical line with a pointy diamond on the top, all in silver, as a simple rendition of a spear?

[Conn Eremon]

Works great for me. I kind of see it like canon Chaos Space Marines pad trim, with the trim forming an arrow down across the pad?

 

Straighten it out to look more like a spear, flip it around so that it up, and you got a pretty ornate emblems for a commander, maybe even the Dragonslayer himself.

 

Adding a Dragon's head makes it a little busy. Well, unless you used some Salamanders' transfer sheets, maybe? Then just add the spear, blood unnecessary.

 

I don't know, plain spear is kind of cool all on its own.

[Adra'Melek]

A simple vertical spear would a little like a '1', i.e. 1st Legion. Is that a good thing (pisses the jackal off) or a good thing. I think you guys need to paint up some models so we can have a look :)

[Ace Debonair]

Well, I could always paint up a post-heresy EC marine, I guess. (No pre-heresy armour lying about, but never mind)

All I need now is something along the lines of free time in the next few days.

It'll look pretty darn awful, but what the hey, you've been warned.

I don't think our Fulgrim would intentionally wind his brother up by making it deliberately resemble a 1, but I suppose Jonson might still have enough paranoia to suspect Fulgrim of trying to subtly usurp Jonson's rightful place at the top.

EDIT:

Blasted spelling errors.

[Conn Eremon]

Nah, First Legion is a Numeral I, with the two lines top and bottom. A single line with a diamond on top is different enough.

 

And I have zero models, for my interest in the hobby is solely fluff and videogames.

[Ace Debonair]

Right, scratch that as a symbol. On the models it looks rubbish.

I'm going for a simpler approach which can basically be described as a silver arrow pointing upwards.

It's meant to be a rather stylized spear (that's how I used to draw them as a kid, at any rate), but it does look a bit arrow-y.

As a bonus, it only took even me a paltry three attempts to paint it.

I'll get pictures of the model up shortly, if I can get decent enough shots of it.

[Ace Debonair]

OK, so here he is - Sergeant Caemund of the Emperor's Children.

I took like twenty pictures of the model but this is the only one that isn't completely blurry.

Note the extremely crappy symbol on his shoulderpad, and my apologies for it not being in focus. My camera hates me.

In other news I used this model as a test for weathering effects. While the result is more subdued than I'd hoped for, it was also a lot easier than I'd feared!

[Adra'Melek]

I like the simplicity of it.

 

Oh and that new book "Wolf of Ash and fire" seems to have the bit where the Emperor is nearly killed by Orks. Load of Primarch sized ones and bigger.

[Conn Eremon]

Looks great, Ace.

 

Hell, I don't give a damn about your ability, I am just happy to see alternate heresy models.

 

Besides, EVERYONE here is better than me. :)

[Conn Eremon]

Aye, Thunor. That is the battle at Gorro from the old IA articles that we are using to validate our Ullanor.

[Ace Debonair]

As a point of pride, that model only took three hours to paint and assemble.

The two worst parts? Painting the eye lenses (I really prefer my usual cheat method of using trimmed-down Chaos Warrior helmets ) and the fact that the best weathering effect is on the back of the legs which is mostly obscured by the cape.

Also my jittery hands made hard work of the symbol, so doing company designations etc is right out.

Oh, and there might be a blood angels bit on the sword and a Templar cross on the pistol, but I'm short on spare weapons, so I guess they'll do.

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

Looks pretty awesome, should have the model I'm planning to paint stripped by tomorrow.

"Give me covering fire NOW!! Yes stopping the traitors is our priority, but even Anubis himself will not stop me from saving the geneseed of our brothers and cousins".
Appothecary sergeant Thutmosis, penultimate day of the seige of terra.

[Adra'Melek]

Blood Angels and Templars? Who are these strange groups you refer to? I only see icons of the Emperor's Children (that is their name right?)