Wade Garrett Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 But what about the Imperial Coast Guard? :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285089-post-crusade-endgame-the-legions/page/7/#findComment-3559036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 But what about the Imperial Coast Guard? PDF. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285089-post-crusade-endgame-the-legions/page/7/#findComment-3559039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don the Oiler Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 "no differentiation" would not be entirely correct, as the usage of the navy rank system clearly *is* a difference. And probably different fancy uniforms. It was probably intended that way when the old Imperial Guard codices were written, but went overboard the first time an author named a spaceship commander an Admiral. But that's splitting hairs, the Warhammer fluffmasters are all followers of Tzeentch and change canon probably more often than their underwear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285089-post-crusade-endgame-the-legions/page/7/#findComment-3559043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Sorry to digress, but were any of you fluff junkies reminded of island hopping in the pacific theater of WWII during the burning of the 500 worlds? Angron wanted to killmaimburn but Lorgar only wanted to hit a few certain important areas, which set off my WWII boner Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285089-post-crusade-endgame-the-legions/page/7/#findComment-3559053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Yeah, 100 is only a few. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285089-post-crusade-endgame-the-legions/page/7/#findComment-3559062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Yeah, 100 is only a few. :P Few is a relative term my dear Kol :) What might seem like a few drinks for a frat boy like myself might be an ungodly amount of alcohol for a GDI. Nevertheless, it just tickled my fancy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285089-post-crusade-endgame-the-legions/page/7/#findComment-3559112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carach Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 7 pages already. im late. as i said in the edict breaking thread: My belief is that the emperor made them to last post-crusade. reason being; many of the legions have traits and abilities beyond simple war making. They were made for war because thats what the emperor needed at that specific time, but its mentioned many a time that they are a more versatile creation than the thunderwarriors precluding them (who were for the simple taking of a world, not a galaxy and its hitherto running with all that entails) Magnus is mentioned in novels as having been meant to be mr golden throne man. So he at the very least had a role beyond the crusade. The guy is the definition of learning. and by extension, so is his legion. Vulkan is a perpetual , so how can he not have been intended to live beyond the crusade? he and his legion are known to be the most humane? if u can say that in this setting heh. they are the bridge between the human and post-human. Gulliman we know already is mr admin. he has even told his sons that there is a role for them when the wars are done. as the governors of worlds etc etc. Purturabo and his sons are the builders and architects. Iron hands: close with the mechanicum? they could well have driven technological advancement with the martians. so basically they're the scientists. and some other legions may of had a purpose that we can and will never see because of the events that unfolded. The Emperor was looking at the long game remember, he's gonna know that no empire, especially one so vast, is going to be 100% peaceful, nor is it going to be easy to run. so why waste such talent? not to mention the difficulties involved in removing such a force from the galaxy. Killing off the very numerically inferior thunderwarriors on one world is a bit different to ridding a galaxy-conquering force. Course some of the legions that became messed up (night lords and WE's, im thinking of) perhaps have little benefit. but angron was dying, and Curze was already in trouble before things kicked off. Perhaps there would of been other expunged legions by the end. and of course there's the necrons and the tyranids. one can say the emperor might not have been aware of the massive influence the hive mind has in the warp from several thousand years away, but surely he had some inkling of such things. and with the necrons: he's no stranger to necrons - im not sure what the line is since the changes to reinforce the tomb kings in space rubbish, but considering he fought and imprisoned one of their 'gods' he must know how powerful they can be. Its the long game again; he imprisoned that 'god' thousands of years before he even became known as the emperor. so its not a big jump to think he has a vague understanding of other threats coming his way in the far-flung future. but then we dont know for sure if the dragon below mars is the c'tan god. so meh. meh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285089-post-crusade-endgame-the-legions/page/7/#findComment-3559360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 The Iron Hands? A Legion of scientists? We are talking about the Tenth Legion, right? "A Legion of killers, men born into clashing tribes and violence; part of a warrior culture shaped by the ruined world upon which they grew to manhood"? (Angel Exterminatus) That's as sensible as saying the Post Crusade Space Wolves would run the Schola Progenium. And given how thoroughly the Chaos Gods blindsided Emps during the Heresy, I am a bit dubious about his ability to craft long terms for the Necrons and the Tyranids. Edit: Now, there were individual Marines among the X who were good at science (or in Frater Thamatica's case, SCIENCE!!!!) but that was true of many Legions, see Bile, Fabius. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285089-post-crusade-endgame-the-legions/page/7/#findComment-3559415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kais Klip Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 And in regards to the Emperor's omnipotence, or rather lack thereof, he wasn't apex at all (if any) psychic abilities; for one he himself admits that Magnus had a better chance of communicating/forseeing through the turbulent warp storm surrounding there heresy than him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285089-post-crusade-endgame-the-legions/page/7/#findComment-3559438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain ChonkE Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 The Iron Hands? A Legion of scientists? ...but Batman is a scientist! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285089-post-crusade-endgame-the-legions/page/7/#findComment-3559460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 The Iron Hands? A Legion of scientists? ...but Batman is a scientist! Curze? HERESY!!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285089-post-crusade-endgame-the-legions/page/7/#findComment-3559473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 No, no, no. He said Batman, not "psychotic amalgamation of Two-Face, Punisher, and Hollywood's latest Bane with a fetish for red demon wings." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285089-post-crusade-endgame-the-legions/page/7/#findComment-3559480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Don't forget Freddy Krueger, Cormac. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285089-post-crusade-endgame-the-legions/page/7/#findComment-3559493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 True enough, Kol. True enough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285089-post-crusade-endgame-the-legions/page/7/#findComment-3559501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Don't forget Freddy Krueger, Cormac. Objection! The VIII Primarch is not hideously burned, has never killed anyone using a Nintendo Power Glove, and has never been beaten up repeatedly by teenage girls. He's nothing like Krueger at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285089-post-crusade-endgame-the-legions/page/7/#findComment-3559503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 That is a lot of absolutes you are throwing around there. Are you so sure these things have never happened? Never once hit by Titan plasma, waged war with an archaeofist, or suffered at the hands of a band of neophyte Sisters of Silence? Must be nice to be so perfect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285089-post-crusade-endgame-the-legions/page/7/#findComment-3559512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 You're right Wade. Instead he was cut to ribbons by a seord, uses two oversized Nintendo Power Gloves and not only had a sword shoved through his back by a baby Dark Angel, but was also stabbed repeatedly by a baby Imperial Fist who was still on orders for bed rest. Yep. No analogies there. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285089-post-crusade-endgame-the-legions/page/7/#findComment-3559526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 He got stabbed by a IF. When did this happen Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285089-post-crusade-endgame-the-legions/page/7/#findComment-3559685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don the Oiler Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I think he was stung by a bee, the Fists just like to blow this story out of proportion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285089-post-crusade-endgame-the-legions/page/7/#findComment-3559686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 That is a lot of absolutes you are throwing around there. Are you so sure these things have never happened? Never once hit by Titan plasma, waged war with an archaeofist, or suffered at the hands of a band of neophyte Sisters of Silence? Must be nice to be so perfect. Okay...none of that happened in Index Astartes: Night Lords, Lord of the Night, Soul Hunter, Blood Reaver, Void Stalker, The First Heretic, Vulkan Lives, Unremembered Empire, The Dark King, or Prince of Crows. While it remains possible that when ADB finally writes "The Haunted Haunter" VIII Legion Heresy novel, it will be all about nothing except a burned Konrad having the snot knocked out of him by a bunch of Maccragian teens led by a young Heather Langenkamp. But until then I stand by what I said. And Kol, unless you can find me a scene of Konrad playing Super Mario with those claw gauntlets, they aren't the Power Glove. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285089-post-crusade-endgame-the-legions/page/7/#findComment-3559767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carach Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 The Iron Hands? A Legion of scientists? We are talking about the Tenth Legion, right? "A Legion of killers, men born into clashing tribes and violence; part of a warrior culture shaped by the ruined world upon which they grew to manhood"? (Angel Exterminatus) That's as sensible as saying the Post Crusade Space Wolves would run the Schola Progenium. And given how thoroughly the Chaos Gods blindsided Emps during the Heresy, I am a bit dubious about his ability to craft long terms for the Necrons and the Tyranids. Edit: Now, there were individual Marines among the X who were good at science (or in Frater Thamatica's case, SCIENCE!!!!) but that was true of many Legions, see Bile, Fabius. different kinds of sciences there. science is a pretty broad term. but the iron hands were all tech savvy and close with the mechanicum, so i used them as one particular example. Not sure how thats so crazy. the planet of their origin doesnt really have a bearing on the traits a primarch brings to their legion - many of the legions home planets were inhospitable, backwards worlds that were in a perpetual state of war... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285089-post-crusade-endgame-the-legions/page/7/#findComment-3559772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don the Oiler Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 And Kol, unless you can find me a scene of Konrad playing Super Mario with those claw gauntlets, they aren't the Power Glove. That's a bit unfair, noone can play Super Mario with a Power Glove! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285089-post-crusade-endgame-the-legions/page/7/#findComment-3559775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kais Klip Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 It's not that crazy, considering many IH relics like the Keys of Hel would make a Forgemaster salivate. Try making a metal gearbox salivate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285089-post-crusade-endgame-the-legions/page/7/#findComment-3559777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 And Kol, unless you can find me a scene of Konrad playing Super Mario with those claw gauntlets, they aren't the Power Glove. That's a bit unfair, noone can play Super Mario with a Power Glove!Are you saying "The Wizard" lied to me? Edit: As for the Iron Hands Primarch...Ferrus Manus divides his time between punching chunks of metal until they become swords, mauls, and guns and smashing his enemies with a great big hammer. Which discipline of science handles that? Because I'd be doing science right now if my guidance counselor had only told me which branch covers forging swords and smashing skulls with a warhammer. Going by "Fulgrim" and "Feat of Iron" old Metal Hands has far more in common with Conan than Albert Einstein or Archimedes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285089-post-crusade-endgame-the-legions/page/7/#findComment-3559780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Another aspect that hasn't been brought up. What would stop the legions from pumping out as many new marines as they could to fight this war? Sure there would probably be a higher aspirant attrition rate but let's say that you were able to pump out marines five times faster even though you would have a higher mortality rate during the transformation process I'd say it would be worth it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285089-post-crusade-endgame-the-legions/page/7/#findComment-3559792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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