Schnabel Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Hey dudes and dudettes, here is my first ever attempt at army list, as I have decided to attempt to get into playing the game. I know, probably I should have just stuck with Battle for Macragge or whatever the starter kit is called nowadays. It would be logical But I just am a maniac, and because I am obsessed with a HUGE fan of the World Eaters I absolutely positively plan to start with them. And I have Horus Heresy: Betrayal, so it would be wasting money if I didn't use its rules. So here is a list I have in mind, insight and criticism very welcome RITE OF WAR: Angel's Wrath HQ Centurion Shabran Darr + jump pack 135pts Troops I. Legion Assault Squad +10 more marines +meltabombs +chainaxes -Sarge: Power fist, artificer armour 525pts II. Legion Assault Squad +10 more marines +meltabombs +chainaxes -Sarge: artificer armour 510pts Legion Tactical Squad +Legion Vexilla -Sarge: artificer armour, Chainaxe, Melta bomb 177pts Legion Tactical Support Squad -Sarge: Chainaxe, artificer armour 110pts Fast Attack Rampager Squad +3 rampagers +4 Caedere weapons +Jump packs -Champion: Artificer armour 290pts Legion Storm Eagle Assault Gunship +2 twin linked lascannons 250pts Total points: 1997 This is going to represent World Eaters from the 11th Assault Company under leadership of Centurion Darr. I have heard criticism about how Darr is not a very good choice compared to others and I see the point, he is more expensive than a Praetor with worse stats. I just like his fluff and he will also be very cool to model. I plan to attach Darr to the Rampagers. The two assault squads are the backbone of this army. Forty chainaxe-wielding World Eaters with jump packs will ruin the day of Guardsmen or other infantry hordes, I imagine. 40 melta bombs will also be quite useful against heavily armoured foes and tanks. The tactical squad is there to add some ranged attacks with their Fury of the Legion rule while the support squad armed with flamers burn infantry from cover. The tactical and support squads will ride in the Storm Eagle The Rampagers are there for the fluff and to accompany Darr. In the fluff I imagine that they are some the most erratic and insane marines of the 11th Co, so Darr would be with them to keep them in something that resembles order. The Storm Eagle, like I mentioned earlier will be used to transport the 15 unfortunate marines that don't have jump packs to keep them up with the rest of the army. The lascannons are there to provide anti armour fire to my army. Fire away fellas, your thoughts will be appreciated! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285418-2000-pts-world-eater-loyalists/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Have you considered using the angels wrath rite of war? 40 chain axe wielding world eaters....with hit and run :D I personally would get rid of the rampages first and flamers second, but to each his own. If I were you I would trade them in for some jet bikes as mobile heavy weapon support to keep up with the advance of your army. But if you like the rampagers, keep em ;) are you going to get the red butchers? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285418-2000-pts-world-eater-loyalists/#findComment-3564705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnabel Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 I misunderstood the rite of war rules, as I thought that only a Praetor gives access to one. Stupid brain, work properly! So, the rite of war will be Angel's Wrath. My mistake, and thanks for pointing that out depthcharge I don't know yet if I'll get the Butchers... on the other hand they are gorgeous models, but I don't have Massacre so I don't have rules for them. I was under the impression that they could be used by traitors only? But on the other hand I know I can't resist Khârn when he is released, so I might be forced to make a traitor version of my list So, I made two new versions of the list, dropping Rampagers and Tactical Support Squad and replacing them with jetbikes as suggested Proposition A: Rampagers get replaced with a jetbike squad, five 'bikes. 1 multi-melta and a sarge, cost: 230 points Instead of the tactical support squad, a Legion Heavy Support Squad with missile launchers. Sarge gets artificer armour. Cost: 170 points Darr joins an assault squad Proposition B: Rampagers again get replaced with jetbikes, but this time six bikes instead of five. Six bikes, 2 multi-meltas, sarge with a power weapon. Cost: 285 points I add Primus Medicae: with jump pack and artificer armour. Cost: 115 points. Primus Medicae and Darr join assault squads. Both versions have the same point value as the original list. Thoughts on which one would be better? I'm personally leaning towards B. 20 man assault squad with Hit and Run and Feel no Pain is very, very tempting! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285418-2000-pts-world-eater-loyalists/#findComment-3564831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I believe Darr is a master of the legion so he can get the rule hopefully. If you do then you can't get any ground pounders unless you stick them in the stormeagle. 3 squads of scoring units is really light at 2000 points, but hey, we world eaters are just for wiping the table eh? ;) I do like option b a lot better though. I'll run a list when I get a chance but I think if you want to stay fluffy, do 2 15 man squads of assault marines, and a squad of 5 man jump pack command squad to represent Darr's cadre that are customizable. Let me run a list and I'll be back. I still want it to be your list but I just want to run some numbers :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285418-2000-pts-world-eater-loyalists/#findComment-3564847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 HQ Shabran Darr 135 +jump pack Command Squad 270 +2 additional chosen, 5 jump packs, 4 power weapons, 1 power fist Primus medicae 130 +jump pack, artificer armor, caedere weapon :D Elites 2 rapier laser destroyers 110 Troops 15 assault marines 400 +3 power weapons, 4 melta bombs +sarge with artificer armor, power fist 15 assault marines 400 +3 power weapons, 4 melta bombs +sarge with artificer armor, power fist 20 despoilers 290 +bolters, chainaxes, pistols Fast Attack Storm Eagle 250 +Lascannons Comes out to 1985, so 15 extra points to splurge wherever :) The laser destroyers are for long range anti tank support Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285418-2000-pts-world-eater-loyalists/#findComment-3564937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnabel Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 HQ Shabran Darr 135 +jump pack Command Squad 270 +2 additional chosen, 5 jump packs, 4 power weapons, 1 power fist Primus medicae 130 +jump pack, artificer armor, caedere weapon Elites 2 rapier laser destroyers 110 Troops 15 assault marines 400 +3 power weapons, 4 melta bombs +sarge with artificer armor, power fist 15 assault marines 400 +3 power weapons, 4 melta bombs +sarge with artificer armor, power fist 20 despoilers 290 +bolters, chainaxes, pistols Fast Attack Storm Eagle 250 +Lascannons Comes out to 1985, so 15 extra points to splurge wherever The laser destroyers are for long range anti tank support Looks good, couple of questions, though. First, the assault squads. Legion assault squad rules have an option that "The entire squad can take melta bombs for +5 points each". First I thought that like your list, you could just take some melta bombs. But then: "The squad's sergeant may take any of the following: -Melta bombs (if the squad has not already been upgraded to carry them)" So I drew the conclusion that either all marines get melta bombs or the sergeant gets melta bombs, but that you couldn't take f.ex. four melta bombs per squad. Was I wrong? Second, the command squad. The rules say that they "may only be chosen as a retinue for a Legion Praetor". Is Darr Praetor-level or not? He costs more than a Praetor, but he is after all only Centurion Darr. Then on the other hand Khârn is also a Centurion in the fluff. I haven't seen his rules but I couldn't imagine Legion's number two guy being outranked by a generic Praetor I checked, Darr sadly doesn't have Master of the Legion rule, so he can't choose a Rite of War (not that your version of the list has one, just saying it) But your list looks good, like I said before! Primus Medicae with caedere weapon is a very nice touch I can imagine a scene: "Doc I'm hit, is it bad?" "Nope" "What are you going to do with that excoriator??" "Stuff." Emperor's Mercy, World Eater style! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285418-2000-pts-world-eater-loyalists/#findComment-3565789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Haha thanks sorry I made a few errors there :/ In that case...let me wrangle something else up Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285418-2000-pts-world-eater-loyalists/#findComment-3565795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnabel Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 No problem mate, we all make errors sometimes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285418-2000-pts-world-eater-loyalists/#findComment-3565802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I would go as far to take out all the melta bombs except for the sarge so the assault squads can focus on infantry while the gun carriages can destroy armor within cover and safety. In that case replace the command squad with maybe a 6 man jet bike squad with 2 plasma cannons to deal with any terminator squads that will enevitably show up at 2000 points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285418-2000-pts-world-eater-loyalists/#findComment-3565831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevatar Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I would go as far to take out all the melta bombs except for the sarge so the assault squads can focus on infantry while the gun carriages can destroy armor within cover and safety. In that case replace the command squad with maybe a 6 man jet bike squad with 2 plasma cannons to deal with any terminator squads that will enevitably show up at 2000 points. Agreed. Only put melta bombs on a few. Your Assault Squads will be shot before combat, which would waste a lot of points if they all have melta bombs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285418-2000-pts-world-eater-loyalists/#findComment-3566466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnabel Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 Made changes to the list as advised: HQ Shabran Darr 135 pts -Jump pack Primus Medicae 130 pts -Artificer armour, jump pack, caedere weapon ELITES Rapier laser destroyers 110 pts TROOPS 15 assault marines 385 pts -3 power weapons -Sarge: Power fist, artificer armour, melta bombs 15 assault marines 385 pts -3 power weapons -Sarge: Power fist, artificer armour, melta bombs 20 Despoilers 305 pts -Bolters, chainaxes, pistols Sarge: Artificer armour, melta bombs FAST ATTACK Storm Eagle 250 pts -lascannons 6 Jetbikes 300 -Sergeant, 2 plasma cannons -Sarge: Power fist Total: 2000 pts Thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285418-2000-pts-world-eater-loyalists/#findComment-3567401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Now that looks nasty fast ;) Which caedere weapon??? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285418-2000-pts-world-eater-loyalists/#findComment-3567475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnabel Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share Posted January 13, 2014 Excoriator Chainaxe, 3 S5 AP3 attacks are no joke, I think + I like the way it looks Very brutal Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285418-2000-pts-world-eater-loyalists/#findComment-3567884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoDoc Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Sorry about the bump. Been looking for ideas on how to use this SC best (I love the fluff for him) and I was curious how the list was working out for you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285418-2000-pts-world-eater-loyalists/#findComment-3671511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnabel Posted May 2, 2014 Author Share Posted May 2, 2014 Unfortunately thanks to school and the fact that there isn't much 40k going on around where I live I haven't been able to test this list in the field yet Sorry that I couldn't help. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285418-2000-pts-world-eater-loyalists/#findComment-3672827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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