Terimus Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 So I'm making a Legion army list for my Night Lords, and I'm playing around with the wargear for my Praetor, but I cant seem find just what I want. What kind of praetor setup has worked for you guys? Any suggestions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285751-best-praetor/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 That's a tough question. The issue is that every legion gets different rules, different Rites of War, different unique equipment. There is no singular set-up that works, really. On top of that, for the most part, folks who play 30k are about the fluff and the storyline, so willingly handicap themselves a bit to add to their personal story. It comes down to, what do you want your army to do, and how can your Praetor be set up to compliment that? So, how do you imagine your Night Lords army? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285751-best-praetor/#findComment-3571875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Well a paragon is the best weapon but I think chainglaives win by rule of cool and they still do well. I think a praetor with a chainglaive, iron halo, and digi weapons is the best route but I include a plasma pistol to utilize his bs5. Oh, and welcome to the heresy! You guys are starting to pop up everywhere now and it's a great sign for 30k :D Obligatory: part of the crew, part of the ship, part of the crew, part of the ship.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285751-best-praetor/#findComment-3571878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kais Klip Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Be an honourable man and avoid the no-question Paragon Blade like the win-button plague it is. NB: honourable men die first. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285751-best-praetor/#findComment-3571880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Be an honourable man and avoid the no-question Paragon Blade like the win-button plague it is. Hear, hear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285751-best-praetor/#findComment-3571882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 It all depends on your army composition, IMO. I equip mine with the following: Cataphractii Terminator Armor, Master-Crafter POwer Scythe / Paragon Blade, Digital Laser, and Volkite Charger. Works well with my Pride of the Legion force, but if I was fielding say... an Assault Troop army, he'd be useless. What's the rest of your army like? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285751-best-praetor/#findComment-3571897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Don't treat your praetor like a chump: give him the weapon that will rightly make him feared on the field! Paragon Blade!!!!!! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285751-best-praetor/#findComment-3571898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I promise from this day forward to do everything in my power to crush any Praetor who uses a Paragon Blade, on sheer principle alone. This includes charging them with a Titan, or carpet bombing them with phosphex. Be a (wo)man, and carry a Charnabal Sabre. Prove who is better. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285751-best-praetor/#findComment-3571902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I promise from this day forward to do everything in my power to crush any Praetor who uses a Paragon Blade, on sheer principle alone. This includes charging them with a Titan, or carpet bombing them with phosphex. Be a (wo)man, and carry a Charnabal Sabre. Prove who is better. :P Actually the champion with a charnabal saber is a great idea. Ws6, he has to challenge so he gets +1I and his saber automatically becomes master crafted, so you get a reroll to get rending ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285751-best-praetor/#findComment-3571905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I promise from this day forward to do everything in my power to crush any Praetor who uses a Paragon Blade, on sheer principle alone. This includes charging them with a Titan, or carpet bombing them with phosphex. Be a (wo)man, and carry a Charnabal Sabre. Prove who is better. Have you faced a Moritat consul or two? At least the Paragon Bladed Praetor gives you a chance in close combat! I will model my next Praetor with a bare Chaos Marauder chest, bare rampager arms and a single combat blade. Held in his teeth :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285751-best-praetor/#findComment-3571908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Not a knife, a can opener. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285751-best-praetor/#findComment-3571925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Honestly, I've probably been spoiled as a Space Wolves player. Sticking a multi-wound model into close combat WITHOUT Eternal Warrior? Gives me the chills. I can't remember the last time I fielded a Wolf Lord without Saga of the Bear. So... all my thoughts on arming Praetors are about, "How cheaply can I make this guy kill things without getting pissed when some ass with a powerfist turns him into hamburger?" If you're just playing for pure effectiveness and getting the most for the least points, it's almost undoubtedly Paragon Blade/Iron Halo (with optional digital lasers). If you don't care about that? Give him whatever you want. Just try not to spend too much. I think Salamanders are best off from this perspective. They get Mantle of the Elder Drake for EW, Dragonscale Storm Shield for a 3++, and mastercrafting for their Paragon Blade for 1/3 the normal price. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285751-best-praetor/#findComment-3571926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I promise from this day forward to do everything in my power to crush any Praetor who uses a Paragon Blade, on sheer principle alone. This includes charging them with a Titan, or carpet bombing them with phosphex. Be a (wo)man, and carry a Charnabal Sabre. Prove who is better. :P Actually the champion with a charnabal saber is a great idea. Ws6, he has to challenge so he gets +1I and his saber automatically becomes master crafted, so you get a reroll to get rending ;) Sounds like the perfect role for that Mk III Command model that's drawing the sword of its sheath Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285751-best-praetor/#findComment-3571929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I promise from this day forward to do everything in my power to crush any Praetor who uses a Paragon Blade, on sheer principle alone. This includes charging them with a Titan, or carpet bombing them with phosphex. Be a (wo)man, and carry a Charnabal Sabre. Prove who is better. :P Actually the champion with a charnabal saber is a great idea. Ws6, he has to challenge so he gets +1I and his saber automatically becomes master crafted, so you get a reroll to get rending ;) Sounds like the perfect role for that Mk III Command model that's drawing the sword of its sheath Don't rub it in Kol. I've already got an axe to grind with weber not providing them today :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285751-best-praetor/#findComment-3571933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Not a knife, a can opener. Sock filled with half-eaten rations? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285751-best-praetor/#findComment-3571935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telhdrat Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Paragon Blades good? Just ask Captain Ehrlen from my battle report. I'm pretty sure he would have been happier with a lightning claw or even a heavy chainsword after eleven Paragon Blade attacks failed to kill an enemy sergeant. More seriously though, I have issues with the Paragon Blade too as I'm going to make several Praetors for all my different legions and I don't want to have them all armed with it (boring!). At the same time I'd like to have them able to go toe to toe with other Praetors, so cool weapon such as lightning claws and power mauls don't really cut it, and power fists & thunder hammers have quite a big change of ending up dead before they get to strike. Because of that I've been thinking that in my games I might let Praetors buy rending for their non AP 2 melee weapons for a few points (10? 15?), just to give cool models a better change in epic duels agains their counter parts. I promise from this day forward to do everything in my power to crush any Praetor who uses a Paragon Blade, on sheer principle alone. This includes charging them with a Titan, or carpet bombing them with phosphex. Be a (wo)man, and carry a Charnabal Sabre. Prove who is better. Actually the champion with a charnabal saber is a great idea. Ws6, he has to challenge so he gets +1I and his saber automatically becomes master crafted, so you get a reroll to get rending If only. Unfortunately, Master Crafted allows you to reroll a to hit roll, while rending works on to wound rolls. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285751-best-praetor/#findComment-3571937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Paragon Blades good? Just ask Captain Ehrlen from my battle report. I'm pretty sure he would have been happier with a lightning claw or even a heavy chainsword after eleven Paragon Blade attacks failed to kill an enemy sergeant.:P More seriously though, I have issues with the Paragon Blade too as I'm going to make several Praetors for all my different legions and I don't want to have them all armed with it (boring!). At the same time I'd like to have them able to go toe to toe with other Praetors, so cool weapon such as lightning claws and power mauls don't really cut it, and power fists & thunder hammers have quite a big change of ending up dead before they get to strike. Because of that I've been thinking that in my games I might let Praetors buy rending for their non AP 2 melee weapons for a few points (10? 15?), just to give cool models a better change in epic duels agains their counter parts. I promise from this day forward to do everything in my power to crush any Praetor who uses a Paragon Blade, on sheer principle alone. This includes charging them with a Titan, or carpet bombing them with phosphex. Be a (wo)man, and carry a Charnabal Sabre. Prove who is better. :P Actually the champion with a charnabal saber is a great idea. Ws6, he has to challenge so he gets +1I and his saber automatically becomes master crafted, so you get a reroll to get rending ;) If only. Unfortunately, Master Crafted allows you to reroll a to hit roll, while rending works on to wound rolls. Good catch haha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285751-best-praetor/#findComment-3571946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazzy Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Personally? For my Ultramarines I run a Praetor with a Paragon blade(Every goddamn opponent i face does, and it's hard enough getting Powergamers to accept a challenge as it is. You know who you are mate) as well as an Iron halo, digital weapons, and because it looks fly as :cuss, an archaeotech pistol. I'd love to run a thunderhammer praetor as it fits, but due to my current opponent I'm a bit stuck. I'm just waiting for my buddy to get rolling on his iron warriors and then Luciel Fidelitas will wield the proper weapon.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285751-best-praetor/#findComment-3571951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Personally? For my Ultramarines I run a Praetor with a Paragon blade(Every goddamn opponent i face does, and it's hard enough getting Powergamers to accept a challenge as it is. You know who you are mate) as well as an Iron halo, digital weapons, and because it looks fly as :cuss, an archaeotech pistol. I'd love to run a thunderhammer praetor as it fits, but due to my current opponent I'm a bit stuck. I'm just waiting for my buddy to get rolling on his iron warriors and then Luciel Fidelitas will wield the proper weapon.... If you ain't solving your problems (opponent with a Paragon Blade addiction) with a practical application of ranged weaponry and high explosives, then you're doing it wrong. Then again, I solve all my problems with high explosives. And Phosphex. Lots and lots of Phosphex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285751-best-praetor/#findComment-3571992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazzy Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Personally? For my Ultramarines I run a Praetor with a Paragon blade(Every goddamn opponent i face does, and it's hard enough getting Powergamers to accept a challenge as it is. You know who you are mate) as well as an Iron halo, digital weapons, and because it looks fly as :cuss, an archaeotech pistol. I'd love to run a thunderhammer praetor as it fits, but due to my current opponent I'm a bit stuck. I'm just waiting for my buddy to get rolling on his iron warriors and then Luciel Fidelitas will wield the proper weapon.... If you ain't solving your problems (opponent with a Paragon Blade addiction) with a practical application of ranged weaponry and high explosives, then you're doing it wrong. Then again, I solve all my problems with high explosives. And Phosphex. Lots and lots of Phosphex. See, Luciel is a "hero". He engages his enemies in glorious 1v1 combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285751-best-praetor/#findComment-3572011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I'm sure I remember there being a young French maid in many a film called Lucille/Luciel - fits perfectly for an Ultramarines Praetor ;) I've got 1 done up with the 'typical' paragon, Cataphractii, cyber-familiar (Iron Hands) and mc-Volkite - I'll have another (Iron Father) w/ TH & Volkite (I love volkites...) and after all having a 2+ save nullifies the point of your opponents paragon blade... especially if you then flatten him with a power fist or thunder hammer... can't fight back if you're squishy marine-paste. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285751-best-praetor/#findComment-3572022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazzy Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I'm sure I remember there being a young French maid in many a film called Lucille/Luciel - fits perfectly for an Ultramarines Praetor I've got 1 done up with the 'typical' paragon, Cataphractii, cyber-familiar (Iron Hands) and mc-Volkite - I'll have another (Iron Father) w/ TH & Volkite (I love volkites...) and after all having a 2+ save nullifies the point of your opponents paragon blade... especially if you then flatten him with a power fist or thunder hammer... can't fight back if you're squishy marine-paste. You havin a giggle there mate? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285751-best-praetor/#findComment-3572025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 'Course not my friend across the pond :D I've not a shadow of doubt that Luciel's dress...er armour keeps the foes on their toes as he slices them down :P but seriously - whilst I love the paragon blade (I'm the only 30k player in my area unfortunately) having an AP2 I weapon is a grand help - but it is a bit 'well this will be chosen as an auto-include' compared to pretty much everything else in the 2 books released so far which are more "oooh I like that... oh that might work" etc. etc. so to the OP I say go with what you want - after all it can ALWAYS be classed as a paragon blade/hammer/scythe/fist... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285751-best-praetor/#findComment-3572030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Chainglaives for the win! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285751-best-praetor/#findComment-3572032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 See, This is what I love about the 30k community. We're all like yeah the paragon blade is too good not to take and awesome...but we're like the hipsters of war hammer, "Paragon blade? Too mainstream. Time to bring back the charnabal saber and thunder hammer." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285751-best-praetor/#findComment-3572034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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