captain Angel Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I have always thought he would die pulling a Holmes, grabing an unbeatable foe and taking the for down with him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287187-abaddon-vs-sigismund/page/6/#findComment-3603141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I have always thought he would die pulling a Holmes, grabing an unbeatable foe and taking the for down with him.So.............. Sigismund and Sevatar "die" together? I could live with that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287187-abaddon-vs-sigismund/page/6/#findComment-3603147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 So long as it's not a full Holmes, and they don't bring him back in response to fan pressure. Aaaand now I am picturing Sigismund and Sevatar fighting each other using Holmes Vision. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287187-abaddon-vs-sigismund/page/6/#findComment-3603152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 We know that Sevatar doesn't live as long as Sigismund. Although it would make a cool resume for Sigismund to go after all of the traitor 1st Captains at the Siege, that's a little too Matt Ward for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287187-abaddon-vs-sigismund/page/6/#findComment-3603177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 We know that Sevatar doesn't live as long as Sigismund. Although it would make a cool resume for Sigismund to go after all of the traitor 1st Captains at the Siege, that's a little too Matt Ward for me. We think Sevatar didn't live as long as Sigismund. No confirmation of death remember? Part of the reason there's the whole "Sevatar is Khiron" theory. Personally, Sevatar disappearing at Terra, and then popping up in a Crusade to fight Sigismund and both being last seen fighting on a starship as its sucked into the warp just seems so....... Cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287187-abaddon-vs-sigismund/page/6/#findComment-3603184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 We know that Sevatar doesn't live as long as Sigismund. Although it would make a cool resume for Sigismund to go after all of the traitor 1st Captains at the Siege, that's a little too Matt Ward for me. We think Sevatar didn't live as long as Sigismund. No confirmation of death remember? Part of the reason there's the whole "Sevatar is Khiron" theory. Personally, Sevatar disappearing at Terra, and then popping up in a Crusade to fight Sigismund and both being last seen fighting on a starship as its sucked into the warp just seems so....... Cool. But not as cool as Abaddon vs. Sigismund. 40K Antichrist vs. Emperor's Champion OR Emperor's Champion vs. Unusually likable Night Lord? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287187-abaddon-vs-sigismund/page/6/#findComment-3603187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 To me: Both are equally awesome, although one leaves the possibility of both being damned to an eternity of combat with one another. The other means one obviously surviving and the other dying. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287187-abaddon-vs-sigismund/page/6/#findComment-3603198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain Angel Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 like i said, it would make Sigismund look so much more heroic if his last known act were to take one last traitor champion with him. Him dying to the despoiler would be anticlimactic. and yes, no resurrection please. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287187-abaddon-vs-sigismund/page/6/#findComment-3603202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 And then Arik Tyranis comes in and kills them both and chucks Kharns corpse onto a pile of WE bodies.... YEAH ::yes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287187-abaddon-vs-sigismund/page/6/#findComment-3603204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haywire Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Am I the only one who thinks it might be oddly hilarious for Sigismund to fight Abaddon and thus lead to said Warmaster's arms falling off? >.> No? Just me? Fine... D: In all seriousness, it would be a pretty good way to go. Though, I personally see it as a case of Abaddon being a bit more... diabolical... and doing what the World Eaters did to Erebus. Send in champion after champion after champion, and then gank Sigismund when he's too weary to properly fight back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287187-abaddon-vs-sigismund/page/6/#findComment-3603208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 like i said, it would make Sigismund look so much more heroic if his last known act were to take one last traitor champion with him. Him dying to the despoiler would be anticlimactic. and yes, no resurrection please. Its only anti-climactic in the context of Sigismund 'always winning' his fights for 1200 years. Its incredibly climatic in the larger picture of the story of the Imperium. Sigismund is a good example of a poster child for the great crusade. He came, he saw, he cut people in half a bunch of times until the world was compliant. That was what the legions did. But in the larger context of the 40K 'story', Abaddon has to have a path to travel before he becomes 40K antichrist. He can't just be the 40k antichrist anymore. The IP has expanded too much. He can't be the Dark Lord on his Throne in a physical realm of hell for a table top game. He's got to be a character now. To do that he has to have a journey starting from the first time he is mentioned in Horus Rising to the last page of A D-B's Warmaster Trilogy. If that journey is just him farming for ships and men, which is pretty much how people become super powerful in real life, it doesn't have the fantasy feel BL goes for. Now don't get me wrong, I'd prefer to read a story about Abaddon setting up training bases, supply caches, dockyards, and various other things Warlords need to stay warlords. Though, I study IR, and the tedium of amassing power is interesting to me. However, since this is a story, and not a policy paper, he needs to defeat the last vestiges of the 'The Imperium that Almost Was' to turn this into the time of ending. One of the best ways I can think of him doing that is by killing the one Chapter Master who refused the codex, refused to end the Great Crusade, and refused to accept the Post-Emperor Imperium. What other act would better tell readers 'If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention'? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287187-abaddon-vs-sigismund/page/6/#findComment-3603217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 like i said, it would make Sigismund look so much more heroic if his last known act were to take one last traitor champion with him. Him dying to the despoiler would be anticlimactic. and yes, no resurrection please. Its only anti-climactic in the context of Sigismund 'always winning' his fights for 1200 years. Its incredibly climatic in the larger picture of the story of the Imperium. Sigismund is a good example of a poster child for the great crusade. He came, he saw, he cut people in half a bunch of times until the world was compliant. That was what the legions did. But in the larger context of the 40K 'story', Abaddon has to have a path to travel before he becomes 40K antichrist. He can't just be the 40k antichrist anymore. The IP has expanded too much. He can't be the Dark Lord on his Throne in a physical realm of hell for a table top game. He's got to be a character now. To do that he has to have a journey starting from the first time he is mentioned in Horus Rising to the last page of A D-B's Warmaster Trilogy. It's looking more like a long-running series now, a la Gaunt's Ghosts. "The first of us - Lheor, myself, Telemachon, Ilyastor, Valicar, Falkus, Sargon, Vortigern, and Ashur-Kai among so many others - have spoken of this very thing. Just as the story of Abaddon is the story of the broken souls he remade as brothers, the story of the Black Legion is bound up in the tales of those exiles and outcasts he drew together over time. It is what makes us unique. The Black Legion was not founded by the Emperor and never fought in his name. It bears no number, for numbers were only bestowed upon the Legions of the Great Crusade. We are the Legion of the Long War." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287187-abaddon-vs-sigismund/page/6/#findComment-3603268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xin Ceithan Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 like i said, it would make Sigismund look so much more heroic if his last known act were to take one last traitor champion with him. Him dying to the despoiler would be anticlimactic. and yes, no resurrection please. Its only anti-climactic in the context of Sigismund 'always winning' his fights for 1200 years. Its incredibly climatic in the larger picture of the story of the Imperium. Sigismund is a good example of a poster child for the great crusade. He came, he saw, he cut people in half a bunch of times until the world was compliant. That was what the legions did. But in the larger context of the 40K 'story', Abaddon has to have a path to travel before he becomes 40K antichrist. He can't just be the 40k antichrist anymore. The IP has expanded too much. He can't be the Dark Lord on his Throne in a physical realm of hell for a table top game. He's got to be a character now. To do that he has to have a journey starting from the first time he is mentioned in Horus Rising to the last page of A D-B's Warmaster Trilogy. It's looking more like a long-running series now, a la Gaunt's Ghosts. "The first of us - Lheor, myself, Telemachon, Ilyastor, Valicar, Falkus, Sargon, Vortigern, and Ashur-Kai among so many others - have spoken of this very thing. Just as the story of Abaddon is the story of the broken souls he remade as brothers, the story of the Black Legion is bound up in the tales of those exiles and outcasts he drew together over time. It is what makes us unique. The Black Legion was not founded by the Emperor and never fought in his name. It bears no number, for numbers were only bestowed upon the Legions of the Great Crusade. We are the Legion of the Long War." The way this is going I am running out of drool long before this book is actually coming into existence.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287187-abaddon-vs-sigismund/page/6/#findComment-3603275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Can't wait. Just can't wait. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287187-abaddon-vs-sigismund/page/6/#findComment-3603286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormborn Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 in some of the mentioned cultures when they got too old they'd go off alone and try and find a warriors death that way if they'd somehow survived all their battles in younger years... Like Corax and Russ. Supposedly. > in some of the mentioned cultures when they got too old they'd go off alone and try and find a warriors death that way if they'd somehow survived all their battles in younger years... Like Corax and Russ. Supposedly. You guys heard it here first. A D B has killed Sigismund, Russ, and Corax. All at the hands of Abaddon. Thats ok Bjorn (technically the oldest living space marine in 40K even if he does sleep al a lot) is still around to finish off abandon the despairier. Personally I think if abandon & Sigismund had a dust up during the heresy then Sigismind would win. Post heresy once abandon is the chosen of chaos then the only marine likely to kill him is the uber grey knight fella that duffed up poor old mortarion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287187-abaddon-vs-sigismund/page/6/#findComment-3603420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 like i said, it would make Sigismund look so much more heroic if his last known act were to take one last traitor champion with him. Him dying to the despoiler would be anticlimactic. and yes, no resurrection please. Its only anti-climactic in the context of Sigismund 'always winning' his fights for 1200 years. Its incredibly climatic in the larger picture of the story of the Imperium. Sigismund is a good example of a poster child for the great crusade. He came, he saw, he cut people in half a bunch of times until the world was compliant. That was what the legions did. But in the larger context of the 40K 'story', Abaddon has to have a path to travel before he becomes 40K antichrist. He can't just be the 40k antichrist anymore. The IP has expanded too much. He can't be the Dark Lord on his Throne in a physical realm of hell for a table top game. He's got to be a character now. To do that he has to have a journey starting from the first time he is mentioned in Horus Rising to the last page of A D-B's Warmaster Trilogy. It's looking more like a long-running series now, a la Gaunt's Ghosts. "The first of us - Lheor, myself, Telemachon, Ilyastor, Valicar, Falkus, Sargon, Vortigern, and Ashur-Kai among so many others - have spoken of this very thing. Just as the story of Abaddon is the story of the broken souls he remade as brothers, the story of the Black Legion is bound up in the tales of those exiles and outcasts he drew together over time. It is what makes us unique. The Black Legion was not founded by the Emperor and never fought in his name. It bears no number, for numbers were only bestowed upon the Legions of the Great Crusade. We are the Legion of the Long War." Sweet God, yes! My life needs more long-term series like the Horus Heresy and Gaunt's Ghosts. And probably Ciaphas Cain, once I get around to reading it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287187-abaddon-vs-sigismund/page/6/#findComment-3603429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Yeah, pretty damn psyched for ADB's Warmaster series. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287187-abaddon-vs-sigismund/page/6/#findComment-3603435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 When can we expect to see The Talon of Horus in print? November is it? That's when the Black Legion revival starts, just as we saw with the NL craze, post AD-B treatment. And I can't freaking wait. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287187-abaddon-vs-sigismund/page/6/#findComment-3603452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 @Cormac: Opinions will vary, but I found the Cain series to be taking a joke that was funny one time and dragging on for...what is it now, a dozen novels? All of them repeating the cycle of: Cain does something self serving, it's considered heroic, he uses the pull from that to try and put himself in the least dangerous spot on the planet, it turns out to be the most dangerous spot, then Jurgen saves the day with either his blank status or his untouchableness. Wash, rinse, repeat until we hit page 300. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287187-abaddon-vs-sigismund/page/6/#findComment-3603475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshal seanisi Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 I'm glad AD-B decided to weigh in on the discussion. He can at least approach the topic from an objective stand point, whereas some of the members have a tough time being non biased about such a subject. Wade Garrett, understand that sparing and actually fighting are to completely different things. To constantly go back and say the match with Sevatar and Sigismund was a tag your it style of sparring is completely ridiculous. People can be the nicest most humble men you have ever met when training and sparring, taking the time to talk to you and educate you while doing so. The kind of men that will smile and help anyone who needs a hand. But when it comes to a real fight or a real hostile engagement they will be some of the most fearsome people you have ever come in contact with. Cardinal Rule of Combat. If it's him or you. Do whatever it takes to make sure it's him! So if you still think that when Sigismund dispatched 2 DOZEN Chaos Champions while defending the palace , that they were all honorable duels then you are obviously being biased. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287187-abaddon-vs-sigismund/page/6/#findComment-3603575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Prince of Crows states that when Sevatar duelled Sigismund, he was disqualified for headbutting the Black Knight. Betrayer says that when Sigismund fought in the World Eater's pits, it was usually to first blood and that he most commonly paired up with Delvarus, a guy who is untouchable in the pits but considerably less so on the battlefield (from memory, "The name of Khârn is renowned throughout all the Legions. The name of Delvarus is only known here.") If you want to claim Sigismund was Fedor Emmelianko with a chainsword, look somewhere besides the fighting pits for evidence. Like the fact that he's the First Captain of the VII Legion, that is to say, the hardest Prussian Eskimo knight out a hundred thousand hardcore Prussian Eskimo knights. Not the fact that he and Delvarus could go "Tag, you're it!" better than any other duo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287187-abaddon-vs-sigismund/page/6/#findComment-3603602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshal seanisi Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Believe me when I say that I'm honestly not trying to start an argument with you, I'm simply trying to get you to take the "blinders off" when It comes to understanding what the BL is doing to portray Sigismund. As to looking somewhere else to make my point. 2 DOZEN (24 by my simple math) Champions in one day! No single character in all of GW lore can lay claim to that title. And if you're looking for something more recent. " he bore the marks and honours of a hundred wars like a second skin. In battles across the stars he had never been defeated." "he battled Sigismund of the Imperial fist once- THE ONLY WARRIOR EVER TO BEAT HIM TO A DEADLOCK in over a hundred years of warfare". If you presume Sevatar didn't throw everything he had at Sigismund in a 30 hour duel of "sweat, SWEARING, and the crash of iron against iron". Then ...well that's just ridiculous . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287187-abaddon-vs-sigismund/page/6/#findComment-3603631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheForgottenAngel Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 A D-B I seriously had OVER 9000 nerd-happy-times over the spoilers you keep dropping. So pumped for whatever madness you have cooked up for Sigismund vs Abby. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287187-abaddon-vs-sigismund/page/6/#findComment-3603665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 "he battled Sigismund of the Imperial fist once- THE ONLY WARRIOR EVER TO BEAT HIM TO A DEADLOCK in over a hundred years of warfare". If you presume Sevatar didn't throw everything he had at Sigismund in a 30 hour duel of "sweat, SWEARING, and the crash of iron against iron". Then ...well that's just ridiculous . see, now I thought Sevatar just got bored Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287187-abaddon-vs-sigismund/page/6/#findComment-3603692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 like i said, it would make Sigismund look so much more heroic if his last known act were to take one last traitor champion with him. Him dying to the despoiler would be anticlimactic. and yes, no resurrection please. Its only anti-climactic in the context of Sigismund 'always winning' his fights for 1200 years. Its incredibly climatic in the larger picture of the story of the Imperium. Sigismund is a good example of a poster child for the great crusade. He came, he saw, he cut people in half a bunch of times until the world was compliant. That was what the legions did. But in the larger context of the 40K 'story', Abaddon has to have a path to travel before he becomes 40K antichrist. He can't just be the 40k antichrist anymore. The IP has expanded too much. He can't be the Dark Lord on his Throne in a physical realm of hell for a table top game. He's got to be a character now. To do that he has to have a journey starting from the first time he is mentioned in Horus Rising to the last page of A D-B's Warmaster Trilogy. It's looking more like a long-running series now, a la Gaunt's Ghosts. "The first of us - Lheor, myself, Telemachon, Ilyastor, Valicar, Falkus, Sargon, Vortigern, and Ashur-Kai among so many others - have spoken of this very thing. Just as the story of Abaddon is the story of the broken souls he remade as brothers, the story of the Black Legion is bound up in the tales of those exiles and outcasts he drew together over time. It is what makes us unique. The Black Legion was not founded by the Emperor and never fought in his name. It bears no number, for numbers were only bestowed upon the Legions of the Great Crusade. We are the Legion of the Long War." Why do you do this to us? In the names of the black gods why?? As a side note, can we take it that those 9 are the Ezekarion? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287187-abaddon-vs-sigismund/page/6/#findComment-3603752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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