Scribe Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I guess I just see Bolters as being mundane at this point. As less...than the stomp of a titan, the blows of another Primarch, the blast of a titan grade weapon, and so on. Craters in flesh...its but a flesh wound! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Lorgar (in his war plate, mind you!) got his entire hand blown off by one of Vorias's coven shooting him with a bolter in Betrayer. I think some posters are selling the fully automatic rocket propelled grenade launchers the Emperor gave his soldiers as a standard issue infantry weapon because :cuss subtlety very, very, VERY short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I recall Corax took a las cannon to his flesh in Ravensflight...could someone confirm if this (or something similar) happens in Ravenslfight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I don't understand the problem- wasn't Horus almost assassinated by a simple sniper shot? And Kurze was killed by an assasin's blade. The Emp vs a big ork. I don't fully know the ins and outs of the power scale but there does appear to be precedent for the Primarchs being vulnerable to a wide range of dangers. It may be similar to Achilles in that a simple kill can be made through specific means even when bigger ones don't cause death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I don't understand the problem- wasn't Horus almost assassinated by a simple sniper shot? And Kurze was killed by an assasin's blade. The Emp vs a big ork. I don't fully know the ins and outs of the power scale but there does appear to be precedent for the Primarchs being vulnerable to a wide range of dangers. It may be similar to Achilles in that a simple kill can be made through specific means even when bigger ones don't cause death. I think it has to do with no other primarch has looked this bad against Astartes Could imagine the uproar if Leman Russ was put into the hospital by 10 marines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I'd probably be able to die happy just from the nuclear fallout actually. Now that I've thought about it actually, its not even the risk Rob faces. Its the hospital time. It offends me that a Primarch could be laid out at all (Sangy as well now that I think about it, but that was against a Bloodthirster and was canon so my mind gave it a pass.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I don't understand the problem- wasn't Horus almost assassinated by a simple sniper shot? And Kurze was killed by an assasin's blade. The Emp vs a big ork. I don't fully know the ins and outs of the power scale but there does appear to be precedent for the Primarchs being vulnerable to a wide range of dangers. It may be similar to Achilles in that a simple kill can be made through specific means even when bigger ones don't cause death. Horus is never anywhere near that sniper shot. It kills a Marine standing in for him, but we can't say for sure how much damage it would have done to the actual Warmaster. Curze let the assassin kill him, and it is never actually seen. For all we know he could have got down on his knees and drawn her a diagram of where best to strike. Lets be fair, Primarch power levels are all over the place in that book. The amount of times Vulkan is easily killed is insane, and the reason why I didn't like Vulkan Lives or the whole "Vulkan the Immortal" plotline. I'm not going to start on Super Curze here but... yeah. The more I think about it the more UE goes down in my estimations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Ah, yes, Vulkan. The one Primarch who can be killed by being stabbed in the chest with a fork! Vulkan Lives was such a misleading title...it's like if ADB had called Betrayer "Angron's Happy Funtime Magical Unicorn Adventure". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 There is nothing, and I mean :cussing NOTHING on this forum as tedious as the whinging and circular thread derails that are the Guilliman vs Alpha Legion squad arguments. What on Earth can any of us possibly have to say about that scene any more? We've argued about it at nauseating length for a year now. Some of us think it was reasonable in context. Some think it was ridiculous. It's a minor side plot in one novel. It doesn't ultimately make any difference to the course of the story. LET IT GO. For the love of the Emperor/Dark Pantheon. /end rant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 There is nothing, and I mean :cussing NOTHING on this forum as tedious as the whinging and circular thread derails that are the Guilliman vs Alpha Legion squad arguments. What on Earth can any of us possibly have to say about that scene any more? We've argued about it at nauseating length for a year now. Some of us think it was reasonable in context. Some think it was ridiculous. It's a minor side plot in one novel. It doesn't ultimately make any difference to the course of the story. LET IT GO. For the love of the Emperor/Dark Pantheon. /end rant This is nothing compared to the amount of "Wolves are Executioners" derails, or "Which Legion/Marine/Primarch is the best". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 just wait. i'm getting around to reading UR next week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I recall Corax took a las cannon to his flesh in Ravensflight...could someone confirm if this (or something similar) happens in Ravenslfight? He takes a hit to his armour which turns "his chestplate to semi molten slurry". IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Ah, yes, Vulkan. The one Primarch who can be killed by being stabbed in the chest with a fork! Vulkan Lives was such a misleading title...it's like if ADB had called Betrayer "Angron's Happy Funtime Magical Unicorn Adventure". I'd totally read "Angron's Happy Funtime Magical Unicorn Adventure" WLK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Please get this thread back on the OP's topic about Scars, Ladies and Gentlemen. =][= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 There is nothing, and I mean :cussing NOTHING on this forum as tedious as the whinging and circular thread derails that are the Guilliman vs Alpha Legion squad arguments. What on Earth can any of us possibly have to say about that scene any more? We've argued about it at nauseating length for a year now. Some of us think it was reasonable in context. Some think it was ridiculous. It's a minor side plot in one novel. It doesn't ultimately make any difference to the course of the story. LET IT GO. For the love of the Emperor/Dark Pantheon. /end rant You could always, y'know, not read the complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowMaster Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I loved Scars, surely in top 5 when it comes to The HH and Cris Wraight anchored himself as my favorite BL author after ADB. I wish Dan Abnett could produce something close to Horus Rising, his HH entries have been so weak compared to it. But sadly he gets away with anything . Even overtaking Mr McNeil when it comes to pure bizarro mode. My biggest problem with Abnett is how his delivery of 40K is just straight up weak (not always), sure his technical ability is great but writers like ADB and Cris deliver the real 40K imo. Just my personal feelings. [sorry for being a ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 My biggest problem with Abnett is how his delivery of 40K is just straight up weak (not always), sure his technical ability is great but writers like ADB and Cris deliver the real 40K imo. Dan's stuff sometimes reads more like generic military sci-fi than it does like "40K". I think it's because he writes so much stuff...he isn't limited to Black Library and it kinda shows in his 40K works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 I think that's an over-generalisation of Abnett' work. His Eisenhorn and Ravenor stories, for instance, virtually defined or redefined large chunks of the setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 And there have been very few books that embody 40k like a lot of his Gaunt's Ghosts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Dan Abnett's books get me into the setting, and are the only thing keeping me in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Abnett on his worst day still beats most BL authours by a country mile. I'm looking at you Swallow. I have nothing against Jimmy Boy personally...but Fear to Tread, dear me was that disappointing. I almost couldn't finish it despite being a huge BA fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf86 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 No doubt in my mind that Chris and Aaron are the best writers for the setting. I can be almost certain that when I pick up one of their stories it will be good and there'll be little I'll quibble over. McNeill and Abnett produce some great stories but I normally have some reservations. Know No Fear and A thousand Sons are near perfect though. In terms of Primarch's resilience I see their mindset at the time as directly affecting it. I imagine their abilities, especially their toughness and durability to be something they unconsciously alter. When fired up and in battle they are sometimes almost indestructible, shrugging off what could be terrible wounds and recovering quickly. When unprepared/ surprised / shocked or mentally drained they can be hurt by more mundane weapons. Case in point in Betrayer-Roboute takes Illuminarium to the head (a blow that could destroy a dreadnought) without too much consequence. In UE when surprised, bolters injure him badly and he recognises a hit to the head could kill him. It's also how I make sense of the frankly terrible scenes with Curze running around Macragge and Vulkan dying easily. Vulkan's mental state was altered so almost wasn't able to 'will himself' tougher. How else can you explain a fall of 40 odd metres shattering a primarch like a pumpkin when marines drop 20 or 30 metres all the time with almost no damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Case in point in Betrayer-Roboute takes Illuminarium to the head Interesting theory ...I don't remember Bobby tanking Lorgar's crozius to his head though. I mean...it sounds a bit comical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Case in point in Betrayer-Roboute takes Illuminarium to the head Interesting theory ...I don't remember Bobby tanking Lorgar's crozius to his head though. I mean...it sounds a bit comical. Pretty sure he does. Cracks his skull if I remember correctly. THWUNK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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