Character series leading to the Emperor?

[High Marshal Marcus]

I don't know if this has been covered... and not to get too far ahead, but in regards to the the HH character series by FW... and them following the battles of the HH... one would think that they will eventually make an Emperor miniature and rules for him on one of the books?

 

Likely?

 

And if that is he case... should the emperor have a set of rules, will this place limitations on him... etc.

 

What does everyone think?

[Scribe]

I like this conversation, I've had it several times. :D

 

Do I think he will get a model and rules? Yes, facing down the Ultimate Chaos Form Horus in a recreation of the original, ORIGINAL, art in terms of pose and scene.

 

Should he get rules? I think so. We have enough art, I dont see why we wouldnt get rules/model.

 

What do I hope he has?

 

An extremely average stat line. A SUPREMELY pumped up set of gear, and Mastery 6, with knowledge of all basic powers, and the ability to freely pass his tests, so free Iron Arm, etc, etc, oh and EW of course.

[High Marshal Marcus]

I like this conversation, I've had it several times.

Do I think he will get a model and rules? Yes, facing down the Ultimate Chaos Form Horus in a recreation of the original, ORIGINAL, art in terms of pose and scene.

Should he get rules? I think so. We have enough art, I dont see why we wouldnt get rules/model.

What do I hope he has?

An extremely average stat line. A SUPREMELY pumped up set of gear, and Mastery 6, with knowledge of all basic powers, and the ability to freely pass his tests, so free Iron Arm, etc, etc, oh and EW of course.

I imagined its in the back of most peoples minds... I was surprised no one had started a thread.

You bring up a good point, you would assume FW would release a set of rules for a "Ultimate Chaos Form Horus"

So much to look forward to!!! Like to possibility of a daemon prince Fulgrim mini... droooool

About your stat line comment, I doubt that it would be that average, I would say it would be equal or just below Horus, as he was almost waxed by him in tearms of combat...

Again though, great point about the Ultimate Chaos Spec Horus

[Vile Siren]

I am extremely curious on how FW is going to write the rules for the daemon primarchs and the Big E. I feel like it may be hard to please all the fans because if you make them to strong then it could be an easy win for any army that has them but if they are too weak/not as strong as fans of those characters hope, then you get people complaining. I don't know if I am the only one with these thoughts but in the end I am pretty sure FW will do their rules and minis justice!

[Phoros]

I'd imagine that Daemon Primarchs would be about on the same level as Ann'grath the Unbound. So, only for REALLY big games, really.

[Balthamal]

Simon Egan confined that the Emperor will have a model and that it will pretty much be the last thing released.

[hisdudeness]

I believe it was at the second Weekender that he said this.  He did mention that they were going to have trouble balancing him out, but they were working on it.  Which if the rumors are true that they are pushing the Wolfs and T-Sons book back to ensure they get it right, they will do their best to get the Emperor right.

[Balthamal]

He said it at last weekends open day too

[ElectricPaladin]

I seem to vaguely recall reading somewhere that they confirmed that Horus was getting multiple rules to represent his descent, but I can't recall where I read that or confirm it in any way, so salt.

[Marshal Rohr]

I doubt he'd get rules but they'll probably release a model.

[Conn Eremon]

I doubt he'd get rules but they'll probably release a model.

Is there any precedent for that? A FW or GW released model that has no accompanying rules?

[High Marshal Marcus]

I am extremely curious on how FW is going to write the rules for the daemon primarchs and the Big E. I feel like it may be hard to please all the fans because if you make them to strong then it could be an easy win for any army that has them but if they are too weak/not as strong as fans of those characters hope, then you get people complaining. I don't know if I am the only one with these thoughts but in the end I am pretty sure FW will do their rules and minis justice!

My thoughts were the same as yours...

Needless to say, the job will be a tough one...

That being said... I am stocked as far as the rules for already released primarchs are concerned, they have made them playable, while not going too far into the ridiculous... When matched to the fluff however... they are severely lacking.

 

Soooo much to look forward to.

[Chief Captain Redd]

 

 

I am extremely curious on how FW is going to write the rules for the daemon primarchs and the Big E. I feel like it may be hard to please all the fans because if you make them to strong then it could be an easy win for any army that has them but if they are too weak/not as strong as fans of those characters hope, then you get people complaining. I don't know if I am the only one with these thoughts but in the end I am pretty sure FW will do their rules and minis justice!

My thoughts were the same as yours...

Needless to say, the job will be a tough one...

That being said... I am stocked as far as the rules for already released primarchs are concerned, they have made them playable, while not going too far into the ridiculous... When matched to the fluff however... they are severely lacking.

 

Soooo much to look forward to.

Yes Primarchs are lacking, but then again so are Astartes in general. At least compared to fluff. And I really wouldn't mind paying 40 pts per Marine that better matched the fluff.

[Schultzhoffen]

Horus was infused with the power of all four Chaos gods and was still destroyed by the Emperor. I'd suggest that the Emperor be the most powerful (stats, ability and equipment) of any model/character in the Warhammer universe.

[Conn Eremon]

Psychically, he was. Physically, not so much. If you gave him identical stats as Chaos Horus, and a soul-assassinating psyker power, it would be appropriate.

 

Personally, I never subscribed to the idea that the Emperor is a normal person whose psychic power makes him appear and do more, like Scribe of Khorne suggested. Strip him of his psychic might, and he should still be more than a Primarch. The times where he walked about like a normal human are more likely more illusory masks rather than his true visage.

[Xwingt65]

Yes i think there will be an emperor mini and rules at the end of this looooong project.

 

Lots of wonderfull things to look out for on the way. Russ, Magnus and Sangunius are on my radar of awesome.

[Scribe]

Well, the Perpetuals (of which he seems to be one) are not physically untouchable. Was the Emperor a special case? Did he boost himself over the years? Or, is he 'just' the most powerful battle psyker (since the Eldar claimed he was a weak seer) to live?

 

Its just a personal preference at this point, but if he was Uber physically, Uber psychically, possessed the greatest of wargear (how the hell could it be justified he wouldnt) and he STILL almost lost to Chaos Horus...well I just dont know how I could resolve that.

 

Its just a personal preference of course. :)

[Conn Eremon]

The Emperor was a Perpetual, but his background still hasn't been retconned that I am aware of. I would not consider a composite of who knows how many as equal to any one. I would certainly consider the Emperor a special case in that regard. But even more recently there have been plenty of instances where physical strength is shown, like the old Salamander IA, and instances where his normal appearance is described as a mask, like the Last (excuse me, allow me to pause and swallow back down the rising sour bile) Church.

 

And because Chaos Horus was channeling the full might of all four Chaos Gods at once. The Warmaster had some major mojo working for him, and the Emperor still fought him to a standstill, in a fight described as being both physical and mental, before he took him out by a wink of his third eye. Horus was a living god at that point. He tore Sanguinius apart, who could do little more than create a small crack in his armor in return. The Emperor physically mauled Horus, and was mauled in turn.

 

I'm not trying to advocate some grossly overpowered unit. Hell, I have never, and likely will never, even play or buy a model. I could care less what the rules actually are. But by all accounts, the Emperor was the epitome of Mankind. The greatest physical specimen, the most powerful psyker. The embodiment of Mankind, in all its glorious majesty and ruinous darkness. Everything that is great in us, and everything that is wrong with us.

[Scribe]

Yeah his source hasnt been retconned yet, but hes a combination of souls, of the stuff of the warp, not a physically/genetically modified being yet. We will see I suppose, in 5 to 7 years or something. :D

[High Marshal Marcus]

Psychically, he was. Physically, not so much. If you gave him identical stats as Chaos Horus, and a soul-assassinating psyker power, it would be appropriate.

 

Personally, I never subscribed to the idea that the Emperor is a normal person whose psychic power makes him appear and do more, like Scribe of Khorne suggested. Strip him of his psychic might, and he should still be more than a Primarch. The times where he walked about like a normal human are more likely more illusory masks rather than his true visage.

 

I tend to agree that by following the fluff and description of the battle... then the Emperor only physically matched or was found slightly lacking against Horus... And if I recall correctly... this was with some damage cause by Sanguinius... Then Emps had enough and mind r@ped the *censored* out of Big H...

 

Me preference would be an uber powerful physical warrior made so by his traits as well as his war gear, yet slightly short of a Chaos buffed Horus. His Psychic powers would have to be absolutely uncontested though...

[Augustus]

Didn't Corax in DL observe that the Emperor was way heavier than he appeared?

[Scribe]

Not sure, I blocked out a lot of the book it seems.

[Balthamal]

Horus will certainly get a new set of rules for the Siege to represent his, as Simon Egan put it, naughty naughty side. That much is confirmed. Whether there's a new set for the half way house, that's debatable but we shall see