Brother Hadafix Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I have bought a copy of the Astra Miliatrum (imperial Guard) codex, gone through the rumours, and not liked all I have read.The points hike to the Chimera is really going to hurt my list, and so farthere doesn't seem to be an auto-cannon upgrade for it with out going toforge world. http://i4.ifrm.com/1451/25/emo/thumbs_down_2.gifThis is blatantly to sell the http://i4.ifrm.com/1451/25/emo/armata_PDT_32.gif looking turdbox... I mean Turox http://i4.ifrm.com/1451/25/emo/whistling2.gifSo I will be looking to see what needs fixing by going the Imperial Armour way.How does the shake look like it will be effecting everyone else? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289147-astra-militarum-headache/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrock Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I just bought some griffons and medusa from forgeworld for my death korps assault brigade. Was wanting to just play regular guard but if I can't use my models then sticking to FW :-s. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289147-astra-militarum-headache/#findComment-3644843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodemus Doloroso Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Let's just take a deep breathe here and wait a week until the actual codex comes out ... Rumours are inherently unreliable. Â Regarding the chimera this us the first I've heard of a price increase. I'd be surprised since it's still the same old price in Codex: Inquisition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289147-astra-militarum-headache/#findComment-3644854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Linked from BoLS. Â Â http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-piHYWemfNxk/U0DgvcIEEHI/AAAAAAAAdxM/K6vuJWZytVk/s1600/IMG_0026-1.480x480-75.jpg What I am wondering is... What are Fire Barrels? and what is recovery Gear? I get the idea that the recovery Gear is all the cables and tool set, but what does it do? and how does it work? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289147-astra-militarum-headache/#findComment-3644859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
walter h Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 From what I read, you roll for repair and cannot replace hull points,but can roll to move vehicle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289147-astra-militarum-headache/#findComment-3644866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve! Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Sometimes I get the feeling I am the only one who likes the Taurox and is starting a AT army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289147-astra-militarum-headache/#findComment-3644883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodemus Doloroso Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I'm still going to hold out until the actual codex is released before rendering judgement. But I don't think a 10 pt increase is completely out of line. I thought 55 points was actually a little too cheap (although admittedly, compared to a rhino I guess it was spot on). We can probably thank all the "easy button" chimeltavet spam players for the points increase. Â I thought I remembered reading about a recovery gear bit of wargear in one of the Imperial Armour lists. I believe it allows you to repair an immobilized vehicle (get it moving again -- no recovery of hull points) on a certain roll. Â steve!: the Taurox has slowly been growing on me since I first saw it. And as I wrote in another thread, I am seriously considering a Militarum Tempestus army once I'm finished with my DKoK just because I love those Scion models so much. So you're definitely not alone. Â EDIT: I stand corrected, I see now that the BoLS picture comes from the preview on iBooks, so that is no rumour, it would seem that the chimera IS 65 points now (yet one can't totally rule out the possibility that this is a typo -- there've certainly been a few typos that were fixed/changed in other recent digital codices like Inquisition and Adepta Sororitas) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289147-astra-militarum-headache/#findComment-3644886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Steve!, Your not alone I like it too.   Hi my name is uberwolve and I like the Taurox...   " Hi uber!"  lol..   I don't think their is a recovery group for us. Maybe a support group? But ya! I'd love to get 5 or 6 of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289147-astra-militarum-headache/#findComment-3644899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 A 10 pts Increase for the chimera,I wonder why? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289147-astra-militarum-headache/#findComment-3644901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodemus Doloroso Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 A 10 pts Increase for the chimera,I wonder why? Chimeltavet spam. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289147-astra-militarum-headache/#findComment-3644907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Cheap way to try and sell Taurox more like. They could at least try and be subtle about it, but GW are about as subtle as the Imperial Guard itself :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289147-astra-militarum-headache/#findComment-3644948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Or maybe it's because the Chimera was under costed in the Guard book? 55 points was ludicrously cheap for what it did. Not every change GW is make is 'if we make existing model more expensive, then they'll have to buy our new thing!!!!' While this does also actually give the Taurox a role as a cheaper transport, calling it a cheap ploy to sell the new kit is overly cynical (besides, if they wanyed to go down that route, they would have made the Taurox so good it invalidated the Chimera) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289147-astra-militarum-headache/#findComment-3644956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodemus Doloroso Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 55 point Chimera and 40 point Taurox would have done the job better I think. It could even be that they consider the new point adjustments more balanced. Maybe that's hopelessly naive but you know I'm going to bow out of the speculation -- it does nothing to improve my enjoyment of the game which I know I'll still love regardless of what changes will be found when the codex hits the shelves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289147-astra-militarum-headache/#findComment-3644957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodemus Doloroso Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Or maybe it's because the Chimera was under costed in the Guard book? 55 points was ludicrously cheap for what it did. Not every change GW is make is 'if we make existing model more expensive, then they'll have to buy our new thing!!!!' While this does also actually give the Taurox a role as a cheaper transport, calling it a cheap ploy to sell the new kit is overly cynical (besides, if they wanyed to go down that route, they would have made the Taurox so good it invalidated the Chimera) Well said, sir, well said. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289147-astra-militarum-headache/#findComment-3644960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Or maybe it's because the Chimera was under costed in the Guard book? 55 points was ludicrously cheap for what it did. Not every change GW is make is 'if we make existing model more expensive, then they'll have to buy our new thing!!!!' While this does also actually give the Taurox a role as a cheaper transport, calling it a cheap ploy to sell the new kit is overly cynical (besides, if they wanyed to go down that route, they would have made the Taurox so good it invalidated the Chimera) I'm not complaining about the price increase - I'm just saying that it also has the effect of making the Taurox better by comparison. Â Also we prefer the term "realistic" ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289147-astra-militarum-headache/#findComment-3645006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idlem Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 The 10 point bump up makes sense for the Chimera. The new edition made them better in my opinion, and for 55 points they were a steal. They are insanely spammable and tough for a transport. 10 points per tank shouldn't break any lists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289147-astra-militarum-headache/#findComment-3645128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Possessed Marine Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 As with all things IG... boots on the ground. Forget the chimera's and put more boots on the ground. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289147-astra-militarum-headache/#findComment-3645182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kierdale Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 The Chimera points increase isn't exactly pleasing, but I'm not too worried about it. As veteran squads got ten points cheaper and lose their third special weapon, the points of my three veteran squads (one triple plasma, one triple melta, oh and one triple flamer) just went down. From a modelling point of view, I'll probably do some shuffling: add a heavy weapons team here, a replacement guardsman here...and perhaps buy more models to form new squads around those now-squad-less third special weapons. Â Glad to see that special weapon squads still exist, and our veterans have the same three doctrines. That will save a lot of modelling headaches. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289147-astra-militarum-headache/#findComment-3645223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uvenla Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 The slight point increase isn't such a surprise in my eyes for such a stable transport. I must say I hope they would add auto-cannon from the book but otherwise the "rules" can be found in IA books, even ifnthe rule is just point cost. I just bought some griffons and medusa from forgeworld for my death korps assault brigade. Was wanting to just play regular guard but if I can't use my models then sticking to FW :-s. You will be able to use your griffon and medusa in the book regardless of it not being in the codex. Or rather it will be so when FW make an update. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289147-astra-militarum-headache/#findComment-3645238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Did anybody else notice that the screenshot above has sergeants getting bolters for 1 pt.? We may not be able to drop a lasgun but I know how I'm equipping my sergeants in the future! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289147-astra-militarum-headache/#findComment-3645393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 I remember the days of more expensive Chimeras :P It won't change my lists, especially since I can just drop the Heavy Stubber I always take if I was really desperate to save points. It seems like the meltavet spammers have much to answer for, looks like I'll have to rejig my Vets which will most likely take the form of another squad to spread the specials around in. Not that unexpected to be honest, but Vets are still good for our codex. Â Bolters would be great, it would mean my new Semper model is no longer equipped just for rule of cool :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289147-astra-militarum-headache/#findComment-3645493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sviar Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 I don´t mind the 10p increase on the Chimeras. But what I disagree with is that was too cheap for what it did, in my case it wasn't. Beacause my Chimeras have a tendency to blow up/being wrecked in the middle of the board leaving my Guardsmen vunerable to bolter fire. When I played Marines it wouldn't matter since my opponent still had to direct much firepower to make sure they didn't reached an objetive. So the lesson I learned was to mainly put Veterans in the Chimeras with Carapace armour so when the vehicle gets unusable I still have 4+ survivability when the bolter rain begun in my opponents turn. Although it varies from case to case, I tend to use the same tactic myself, directing much firepower on the transports(in my LGC mostely Rhinos). I too like the Scions models As soon as I get my salary I will be buying at leastone box. But their transport looks very odd. I hope that they kept Rambo, it is/was one of the most funny units in the Codex. Nobody knew what would happen when he entered the table, and that was the beauty of it. This isn't actually related to the AM, but could some kind person give me directions how you put up banners in your signature. I have earned many through the years, but never put up all of them. But now that All for one... has a Guard banner I thought it was great way to show where my loyalty lies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289147-astra-militarum-headache/#findComment-3645535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 For your sig (I see some CSS code from your failed attempt :P ) I think this might be what you're looking for: [url=http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/288463-regiments-of-the-bc-one-for-all/][img=http://fortressofunforgiven.homestead.com/IG_14A_Banner.jpg][img=http://fortressofunforgiven.homestead.com/IG_14A_Badge.jpg][img=http://www.fortressoftheunforgiven.com/ETL_2013_03_Custos_Fidei_02.jpg][/url] This will put the two Regiments participation badges in, along with a link to the topic :) Let me know if you need any more help with something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289147-astra-militarum-headache/#findComment-3645550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Hadafix Posted April 7, 2014 Author Share Posted April 7, 2014 People seem to forget that some of us took platoons in Chimeras, and have leant to play a very good game with them. I know that my list will need some serious adjusting and thought. Amoured sentinels are rumoured to be the same points as a termie, but squadrons now only 2 models (for them at least). Not sure how that is going to hit some players, but win some lose some. So far, it all seems a bit meh... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289147-astra-militarum-headache/#findComment-3645852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honda Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Yeah, my Elysians aren't too worked up over this cost increase. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289147-astra-militarum-headache/#findComment-3645877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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