Primarch 1 on 1 tabletop tournament: How do they stack up?

[helterskelter]

yeah i'm definitely bringing more guns from here on.. and a moritat. definitely a moritat.

[b1soul]

A bit surprised that Corax only has WS 7

[jeremy1391]

Anyone run the numbers to see how Dorn stacks up?

[Prodigal Son of Magnus]

Anyone run the numbers to see how Dorn stacks up?

He beats Un-Transfigured Lorgar but his low number of attacks and unwieldy kills him.

[GhostMalone]

I hope sang has high WS movement and I

[helterskelter]

I'd think mr sanguinius would have vector strike, some kind of prescience, and should be able to go more than a few with horus in a vacuum. The guy battered ka'bhanda!

[Moonstalker]

Considering that Horus thought Sanguinius 'held it all,' that he had the psychic power, the martial prowess, the intelligence to rule, the strength and determination to succeed, etc., I imagine he's going to be a real beast on the table top.  Especially with built-in mobility from his wings.

[Blindhamster]

Sanguinius is noted as being one of the few that is capable of winning a sparring match with horus, and angron being the only one with 'a chance' against him at terra. so id guess at similar ws and init to angron. Im expecting him to be e fmc though.

[Sevatar]

I really hope the Lion is good as well. He is noted as a master duellist, so maybe S6, T6, but WS 9? And Roboute.... usual stats but WS 8?

[b1soul]

I'd think mr sanguinius would have vector strike, some kind of prescience, and should be able to go more than a few with horus in a vacuum. The guy battered ka'bhanda!

 

You'd think Curze would have some precognition (a more blatant version of Sevatar's)

 

In Unremembered Empire, he basically has visual precognition...visions of near-future events flashing before his mind's eye

 

 

Sanguinius is noted as being one of the few that is capable of winning a sparring match with horus, and angron being the only one with 'a chance' against him at terra. so id guess at similar ws and init to angron. Im expecting him to be e fmc though.

 

That's only Corax's opinion though...we don't know how accurate it is, although it does hold some weight as Corax seems to be a pretty intelligent guy

 

Anyway...I hope it's Sanguinius vs. Angron at Terra instead of a a re-match with the Bloodthirster

[Blindhamster]

B1soul, in terms of the angel vs the warmaster, I believe thats from fear to tread, and another place or two where horus himself thinks on it.

 

Angel and Angron, I could have sworn is brought up in the first heretic and/or butchers nails?

[Sevatar]

I really do hope Sangunius and the Lion are up to scratch on the table top.  I think the Lion should be able to beat Curze one on one, and most of the other Primarchs for that matter, going by his performance in Prince of Crows. Admittedly, Curze was nasty in Unremembered Empire. Thoughts?

[SFH]

 

I'd think mr sanguinius would have vector strike, some kind of prescience, and should be able to go more than a few with horus in a vacuum. The guy battered ka'bhanda!

 

You'd think Curze would have some precognition (a more blatant version of Sevatar's)

 

In Unremembered Empire, he basically has visual precognition...visions of near-future events flashing before his mind's eye

 

 

>Sanguinius is noted as being one of the few that is capable of winning a sparring match with horus, and angron being the only one with 'a chance' against him at terra. so id guess at similar ws and init to angron. Im expecting him to be e fmc though.

 

That's only Corax's opinion though...we don't know how accurate it is, although it does hold some weight as Corax seems to be a pretty intelligent guy

 

Anyway...I hope it's Sanguinius vs. Angron at Terra instead of a a re-match with the Bloodthirster

 

Lorgar also held a similar opinion that only Horus and Angron would be capable of killing Sanguinius when he stopped holding back in Betrayer, so it's not just Corax's opinion, but may be the opinion of all the Primarchs.

[TalonZahn]

It comes up in several places that Sang is basically a mini-Emp.

 

I think HH/FW will probably play up his martial prowess over his psychic skills. I would expect a high number in WS/A.

[b1soul]

1.　Lorgar also held a similar opinion that only Horus and Angron would be capable of killing Sanguinius when he stopped holding back in Betrayer 

 

2.　but may be the opinion of all the Primarchs.

 

1. Quote and source please...

 

Also, keep in mind that  Corax says "only Horus or Sanguinius can beat Angron"...either that or he says "only Angron or Sanguinius can beat Horus". Either way, that's not the same as saying "only Horus and Angron can beat Sanguinius"  

 

 

2. That would be speculation on your part. At most, we know that Lorgar and Corax think Horus, Angron, and Sanguinius are the top fighters. That's the opinion of only two primarchs. 

[Brother Thaligon]

A bit surprised that Corax only has WS 7

The Panoply of the Raven Lord. Type: Melee, Shreed, Blind, Fighting Style, Two-handed.

 

Blind rule in short: If hited = INIATIVE test = if failed = WS + BS reduced to 1. 

 

Thet's why he is WS 7 only. It's like lesser version of invisibility ...

[DarKnight]

 

1.　Lorgar also held a similar opinion that only Horus and Angron would be capable of killing Sanguinius when he stopped holding back in Betrayer 

 

2.　but may be the opinion of all the Primarchs.

 

1. Quote and source please...

 

Also, keep in mind that  Corax says "only Horus or Sanguinius can beat Angron"...either that or he says "only Angron or Sanguinius can beat Horus". Either way, that's not the same as saying "only Horus and Angron can beat Sanguinius"  

 

 

2. That would be speculation on your part. At most, we know that Lorgar and Corax think Horus, Angron, and Sanguinius are the top fighters. That's the opinion of only two primarchs. 

Can't give you the exact page right now b1soul but Lorgar does tell Horus when he appears before him in holographic form after hes blasted by the titan, that only Horus and Angron would be able to stop Sang.

[b1soul]

Can't give you the exact page right now b1soul but Lorgar does tell Horus when he appears before him in holographic form after hes blasted by the titan, that only Horus and Angron would be able to stop Sang.

 

The top three appear to Horus, Sanguinius, and Angron. Strange as I've never thought of non-Chaos Horus as a close combat beast. Always thought of him as more of a Guilliman-like type. Like...Guilliman with more charisma and less concern for the administrative details

 

I'd love to see the Khan's stats. I'm thinking he'll be a bit like a cross between Russ and Fulgrim

[Greyall]

As a sidenote, it's funny you the two Primarchs he had a biggest chip on the shoulder about. I know you meant it in tabletop terms, but still ;)

[TalonZahn]

You said Horus *and* Angron, not Horus *or* Angron, like you did earlier.

 

There's quite the difference between those operatives.

 

I don't believe Angron should be able to take Sang alone. With Horus, well any Primarch should lose against 2 Primarchs at once.

[Scribe]

Angron has nothing go for him if he isnt rolling with the top guys, fluff wise. I think his rules missed a bit perhaps, but if you get him into combat first, get the nails singing so he's up there in terms of Attacks, it may help.

 

Daemon Angron should certainly be able to handle Sanguinius. 

[Wade Garrett]

I don't see where Sanguinus going 1-1 with the Bloodthirster Kha'Bandha is a great demonstration of martial prowess.

 

After all, Lorgar took on, not just any Bloodthirster, but An'ggrath the Unbound himself and he whipped it soundly.

[Wolf Lord Loki]

 

 

yea i think ur right.

Any interesting combos for Alpharius? who would u like to see him fight?

I would just like to see him first of all...

You don't see alpharius! That's his 'thing' :-)

[b1soul]

I don't see where Sanguinus going 1-1 with the Bloodthirster Kha'Bandha is a great demonstration of martial prowess.

 

After all, Lorgar took on, not just any Bloodthirster, but An'ggrath the Unbound himself and he whipped it soundly.

 

It was a great feat until the authour of Aurelian decided to have Lorgar beat An'ggrath

 

[SwordBrother13]

It definitely upsets me that Primarchs are affected by Unwieldy. In the fluff they are constantly described as wielding huge weapons at a speed that amazes Astartes.