Olis Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Hmm. Why not go to a full 2000 points? You'll get more artillery that way... ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/3/#findComment-3664765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted April 26, 2014 Author Share Posted April 26, 2014 Because 2,000 points costs money lol. I will probably build to that level eventually with a super-heavy of some kind, just not right now. Speaking of which, what is the best bang for your buck when it comes to Super-Heavies? I've always loved both the Shadowsword and Stormblade tanks, but I'd love to get your guys opinions on what the best all around non-Titan super heavies are for 30k games. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/3/#findComment-3664958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Because 2,000 points costs money lol. That's quite a fair point, actually. Maybe I was being presumptuous. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/3/#findComment-3664962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted April 26, 2014 Author Share Posted April 26, 2014 Because 2,000 points costs money lol. That's quite a fair point, actually. Maybe I was being presumptuous. Haha no worries, thoughts on my Super-Heavy question? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/3/#findComment-3664967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraCaptain Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 A Shadowsword is very fitting considering it is Perturabo's flagship vehicle. Typhon is a second very good super heavy. If neither, you could take a fellblade or falchion aswell. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/3/#findComment-3664974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Hmm, well, the Baneblade has always been considered the go to for all-round effectiveness. It kinda depends on what targets you're considering taking on, I suppose. Edit - Accursed typo! Begone! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/3/#findComment-3664979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted April 26, 2014 Author Share Posted April 26, 2014 Well I'm willing to bet no one in my group is going to bring a titan, so a Shadowsword might be overkill, however it would be awesome to lay a D strength template on top of stuff. Is there a heresy ruleset for the shadowsword and can it take a space marine crew? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/3/#findComment-3664991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevatar Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 It's kinda awesome. You can select any vehicle from the IA range, and upgrade crew for +15. There is a Legion variant called the Falchion, which is 505 points, with a twin linked volcano cannon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/3/#findComment-3664995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Hmm. Atm I can't find any of the 'classic' super-heavies in Book One of Book Two (I don't have Book Three yet) but I did find the next best thing - a Fellblade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/3/#findComment-3664996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted April 26, 2014 Author Share Posted April 26, 2014 I'm thinking that since I'll most likely be facing large blobs of infantry and whatnot that a Legion Stormblade may be the way to go, upgraded with Space Marine crew and a set of of Lascannon/Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter Sponsons, it comes to 520 points. Being able to drop either two str8 ap2 massive blast templates, or one str10 ap2 apocalyptic blast template a turn just sounds awesome. If it lives 2 turns it could easily make it's points back by annihilating a 15-20 man legion blob each turn (because you know those suckers are gonna have pricey apothecaries attached lol). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/3/#findComment-3665061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Haha no worries, thoughts on my Super-Heavy question? The answer is a warhound titan with double turbo-lasers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/3/#findComment-3665388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 Haha no worries, thoughts on my Super-Heavy question? The answer is a warhound titan with double turbo-lasers. lol good lord man. I want to stick with the whole tank theme though for Iron Warriors, I like the idea of grinding the foe beneath a set of massive treads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/3/#findComment-3666855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I'm considering doing a 'battering ram' spearhead of two vindicators escorting a Typhon to break down fortifications and fortress walls. Alternatively two Sicaran Venators escorting a Legion Falchion will crack open any fortification in one turn, most of the time catastrophically. In my mind, I just have this image of the Iron Warriors driving a massive spearhead of armor at the Palace Gate's like Grond from LotR. Now that I think about it, Grond is an awesome name for a Centurio Ordinatus Weapon meant for battering down gates. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/3/#findComment-3666864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 I'm considering doing a 'battering ram' spearhead of two vindicators escorting a Typhon to break down fortifications and fortress walls. Alternatively two Sicaran Venators escorting a Legion Falchion will crack open any fortification in one turn, most of the time catastrophically. In my mind, I just have this image of the Iron Warriors driving a massive spearhead of armor at the Palace Gate's like Grond from LotR. Now that I think about it, Grond is an awesome name for a Centurio Ordinatus Weapon meant for battering down gates. My god you're a genius man lol. Also how do vindicators hold up in 30k? I used to run a pair when I played Chaos Iron Warriors (they still wear those colors actually) and I'd love to make use of them again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/3/#findComment-3666924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 They lack the Siege Shield upgrade, but I can't remember what that does in 40K at the moment. I try to keep vehicles moving, instead of stationary, so Auxiliary Drives and Extra Armor are a must. Armored Ceramite will keep Meltas from getting their bonus, which is beneficial because the Vindicator has to come in close to fire. A Vindicator with Armored Ceramite and Machine Spirit costs the same as a Sicaran with Armored Ceramite and Auxiliary Drive, and the Accelerator Cannons are more versatile. I'm one of those people that likes theme over substance, so the 165 point Vindicators with Machine Spirit and Ceramite are not prohibitive in their cost, even though something else may do multiple jobs for the same cost. Since IW can take 4 Heavy Support Choices, when looking at bigger games (which shouldn't cost anything since you've already got the pair) a pair of Vindicators, 10 Havocs with ML's, and 3 Medusas is a ton of templates per turn. The Havocs provide you with enough flak missile coverage to keep flyers/skimmers on their toes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/3/#findComment-3666929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 So new list, kinda happy with this one as it saves me some money (already have the vindicators) and it feels good and fluffy. Let me know your thoughts my steel brethren. HQ: • Master of Signal – Artificer Armor, Refractor Field, Power Weapon – 120pts TROOPS: • Legion Breacher Squad – 10x Marines, Sergeant w/Powerfist & Artificer Armor, Legion Vexila – 265pts • Landraider Phobos – Dozer Blade, Auxiliary Drive, Armored Ceramite – 285pts • Legion Tactical Squad – 10x Marines, Vexila, Sergeant w/Powerfist and Artificer Armor – 185pts • Rhino w/Dozer Blade – 40pts • Legion Tactical Squad – 10x Marines, Vexila, Sergeant w/Powerfist and Artificer Armor – 185pts • Rhino w/Dozer Blade – 40pts HEAVY: • Iron Havocs – 10x Marines, 10x Missile Launchers – 360pts • Legion Vindicator – Dozer Blade, Auxiliary Drive – 135pts • Legion Vindicator – Dozer Blade, Auxiliary Drive – 135pts TOTAL: 1750pts Tactics: So basically the Master of Signal camps the backfield with his Havoc buddies and dirt-naps anything brave enough to soar through the skies or drive out in the open as well as bringing down his Orbital Bombardment on anyone who brings large foot-slogging infantry units. The Vindicators, Rhinos and the Landraider form a massive armored spearhead that will hopefully gut-punch the enemy force. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/3/#findComment-3667036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Love the smell of motor oil and charred loyalists in the morning :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/3/#findComment-3667046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 So new list, kinda happy with this one as it saves me some money (already have the vindicators) and it feels good and fluffy. Let me know your thoughts my steel brethren. HQ: • Master of Signal – Artificer Armor, Refractor Field, Power Weapon – 120pts TROOPS: • Legion Breacher Squad – 10x Marines, Sergeant w/Powerfist & Artificer Armor, Legion Vexila – 265pts • Landraider Phobos – Dozer Blade, Auxiliary Drive, Armored Ceramite – 285pts • Legion Tactical Squad – 10x Marines, Vexila, Sergeant w/Powerfist and Artificer Armor – 185pts • Rhino w/Dozer Blade – 40pts • Legion Tactical Squad – 10x Marines, Vexila, Sergeant w/Powerfist and Artificer Armor – 185pts • Rhino w/Dozer Blade – 40pts HEAVY: • Iron Havocs – 10x Marines, 10x Missile Launchers – 360pts • Legion Vindicator – Dozer Blade, Auxiliary Drive – 135pts • Legion Vindicator – Dozer Blade, Auxiliary Drive – 135pts TOTAL: 1750pts Tactics: So basically the Master of Signal camps the backfield with his Havoc buddies and dirt-naps anything brave enough to soar through the skies or drive out in the open as well as bringing down his Orbital Bombardment on anyone who brings large foot-slogging infantry units. The Vindicators, Rhinos and the Landraider form a massive armored spearhead that will hopefully gut-punch the enemy force. Acceptable. Not enough Phosphex, but acceptable. :P Carry on, Warsmith Heinrich. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/3/#findComment-3667053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 I'll leave Phosphex to the boys in XIV Dragoon, we'll be busy breaking walls and crushing bodies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/3/#findComment-3667216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 leave the breachers to the VII, they dig the bad stuff ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/3/#findComment-3667243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 leave the breachers to the VII, they dig the bad stuff Are breachers bad? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/3/#findComment-3667417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 leave the breachers to the VII, they dig the bad stuff Are breachers bad? I think Nehekhare is referring to the fact that breachers are generally sent into the baddest of the bad situations, which is why they have their shields. And as we all know, the VII are glutons for punishment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/3/#findComment-3667432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 They are the only way to get that land raider in the list you have now. Breachers re-roll failed saves against blast and template weapons, have a 6++\6+ cover save against shooting attacks. If you disembark them behind cover on an objective you get +1 to you cover save if the enemy is within 8 inches. So for those late game scrambles for an objective in cover, you can drive up and unload the breachers who have a 3+ Cover save behind walls/barricades while your enemy is trying to contest the objective. Couple that with To the Bitter End, and you will have a very resilient unit sitting on an objective for one turn longer that won't run from shooting casualties. In 30K that is insanely good. At 1750 you don't have to worry about Typhons, and your Iron Havocs will handily take out any vindicators your opponent may bring, since those are breachers biggest threat at low point games. For a cheap way to get this list to 1850 take 2 Aegis Lines. You can look at how the battlefield is set up and wrap an objective in cover to be the target for your breachers from the get go, or ditch the second line, add a quad gun for you MoS to man and wrap you Havocs in cover. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/3/#findComment-3667434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted April 29, 2014 Author Share Posted April 29, 2014 Oh good that makes me feel better haha. I had already started planning conversions for the breachers and everything. As an additional note, would plasma destroyer predators with heavy bolter sponsons be a better option than the vindicators? Or what about Whirlwind Scorpius's (scorpii ?) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/3/#findComment-3667522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 The WW Scorpius could make it's points back pretty quick with lucky rolls, and nuncio vox would keep the scatter bearable. Vindicators lack range, but they can bring some serious hellfire. If you DO add the Scorpius and vox you can hide the WW behind anything since they won't need LOS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/3/#findComment-3667527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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