Scribe Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 So new list, kinda happy with this one as it saves me some money (already have the vindicators) and it feels good and fluffy. Let me know your thoughts my steel brethren. HQ: • Master of Signal – Artificer Armor, Refractor Field, Power Weapon – 120pts TROOPS: • Legion Breacher Squad – 10x Marines, Sergeant w/Powerfist & Artificer Armor, Legion Vexila – 265pts • Landraider Phobos – Dozer Blade, Auxiliary Drive, Armored Ceramite – 285pts • Legion Tactical Squad – 10x Marines, Vexila, Sergeant w/Powerfist and Artificer Armor – 185pts • Rhino w/Dozer Blade – 40pts • Legion Tactical Squad – 10x Marines, Vexila, Sergeant w/Powerfist and Artificer Armor – 185pts • Rhino w/Dozer Blade – 40pts HEAVY: • Iron Havocs – 10x Marines, 10x Missile Launchers – 360pts • Legion Vindicator – Dozer Blade, Auxiliary Drive – 135pts • Legion Vindicator – Dozer Blade, Auxiliary Drive – 135pts TOTAL: 1750pts Tactics: So basically the Master of Signal camps the backfield with his Havoc buddies and dirt-naps anything brave enough to soar through the skies or drive out in the open as well as bringing down his Orbital Bombardment on anyone who brings large foot-slogging infantry units. The Vindicators, Rhinos and the Landraider form a massive armored spearhead that will hopefully gut-punch the enemy force. I really really like this list! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/4/#findComment-3667535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I think Nehekhare is referring to the fact that breachers are generally sent into the baddest of the bad situations, which is why they have their shields. And as we all know, the VII are glutons for punishment. naa, I just think they're bad and thus more fitting for the VII than the supreme IV, proven by the fact that the yellow sub-marines even have legion tactics for them. Many people think that they are fluffy for IW because the feature the word "Siege" in their description, yet only IH and IF are mentioned of using them extensively. Ruleswise, I don't see how a 6++ is worth nearly triple the points of tac marines and whatever the shields do in CC, assault troops will run over them anyway. I'd rather get me some Cataphractii (Siege?) Terminators or Castellax Mechanicum allies and choose artillery over Landraiders any time of the day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/4/#findComment-3667666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
karden00 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Ahh yes, the hammer of the underworld Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/4/#findComment-3667678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I think Nehekhare is referring to the fact that breachers are generally sent into the baddest of the bad situations, which is why they have their shields. And as we all know, the VII are glutons for punishment. naa, I just think they're bad and thus more fitting for the VII than the supreme IV, proven by the fact that the yellow sub-marines even have legion tactics for them. Many people think that they are fluffy for IW because the feature the word "Siege" in their description, yet only IH and IF are mentioned of using them extensively. Ruleswise, I don't see how a 6++ is worth nearly triple the points of tac marines and whatever the shields do in CC, assault troops will run over them anyway. I'd rather get me some Cataphractii (Siege?) Terminators or Castellax Mechanicum allies and choose artillery over Landraiders any time of the day. Fair enough. I just like the idea of multiple IV Legion breacher squads, each squad with hazard stripes on their shields going in different directions to designate each squad. It'd be interesting to see a Pride of The Legion force with lots of Cataphractii as troops, maybe some Siege termis, big guns, and a couple of those massive walking siege morter robots from the Mechanicum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/4/#findComment-3667680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Pride of The Legion force with [...] a couple of those massive walking siege morter robots from the Mechanicum. Sadly not possible, since PotL disallows allies. You could take Hammer of Olympia and Golg, though. The Thanatar are nice, but expensive. Castellax and cheap 4+/4++FnP (with a Lacyraemarta Tech-Priest Auxilia) Adsecularis as Troops is where it's really at and Archmagi Ordinati practically combine Master of Signals and Siege Master Centurii to put with your Tyrant Siege Terminators so your IW HQ can use his Cortex Controller to lead a Squad of Big Robots. Waiting for Perturabo + the Colossi of the Iron Circle ;D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/4/#findComment-3667738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 But doesn't the cortex controller allow you to take a single cybernetica squad as an Elites choice? Or is the Thanatar not a cybernetica unit? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/4/#findComment-3667897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Some Rites of War don't allow you to take Space Marine Legion allied detachments, which means Mechanicus and Imperial Army allied detachments are still allowed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/4/#findComment-3667975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 cortex controller allows units with the cybernetica cortex rule to ignore that rule within 12". The Iron Hands RoW allows for battle-automata to be taken as an elites choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/4/#findComment-3667985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Book 2. Cortex Controller allows for a single unit of either Castellax or Thallax (without augments) to be chosen as an elites choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/4/#findComment-3668023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted April 29, 2014 Author Share Posted April 29, 2014 I want to play Iron Warriors dudes, not Mechanicum. I refuse to let robots do the work of men. Also even though breachers may not be a favorite, I like the idea of having three troops choices at 1750 points, however I'm open to advisement on an alternate troop choice as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/4/#findComment-3668134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Book 2. Cortex Controller allows for a single unit of either Castellax or Thallax (without augments) to be chosen as an elites choice. ??? re-read the wargear entries in both books, didn't find where it says something like that. could you provide a page number? I want to play Iron Warriors dudes, not Mechanicum. I refuse to let robots do the work of men. Also even though breachers may not be a favorite, I like the idea of having three troops choices at 1750 points, however I'm open to advisement on an alternate troop choice as well. IW are the only legion able to equip their characters with cortex controllers and perturabo's personal guard (after phall) consisted of battle-automata, so it is anything but not fluffy (and very effective), but if you're looking for scoring units, consider terminators. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/4/#findComment-3668169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted April 29, 2014 Author Share Posted April 29, 2014 Book 2. Cortex Controller allows for a single unit of either Castellax or Thallax (without augments) to be chosen as an elites choice. ??? re-read the wargear entries in both books, didn't find where it says something like that. could you provide a page number? >I want to play Iron Warriors dudes, not Mechanicum. I refuse to let robots do the work of men. Also even though breachers may not be a favorite, I like the idea of having three troops choices at 1750 points, however I'm open to advisement on an alternate troop choice as well. IW are the only legion able to equip their characters with cortex controllers and perturabo's personal guard (after phall) consisted of battle-automata, so it is anything but not fluffy (and very effective), but if you're looking for scoring units, consider terminators. Oh yeah I know they are fluffy, I just don't want to use them. I'll probably weave the reason into the backstory for my particular little company, something to do with pride or whatever lol. As far as Terminators go, how would you kit them out. Also be advised the only other guy who wants to do heresy in my regular group might be moving south to Corvallis, OR (about a 1.5 hr drive) so most likely my regular opponents are gonna be Orks and Eldar (kind of why I liked the massed bolter fire of the breachers). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/4/#findComment-3668173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctus Cornix Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Rules for the Cortex Controller can be found on page 192 in Massacre and page 234 of Extermination. The rule is as follows Any Forge Lord in a Space Marine Legion Crusade army may take a Cortex Controller in addition to their usual options for +15 points. If atlease one model so equipped is present in the army then either a single Castellax Class Battle-automata unit or a single Thallax Cohort without Augment upgrades may be taken as a Heavy Support option for that force. Iron Hands are the only Legion that can currently take Cybernetica units as an elite choice by using their Rite of War. So really, its nothing special for the Iron Warriors aside from the fact that their Tech Marines can take it too, but if you did that then you'd be using up 2 Elite choices that could be better spent elsewhere on cooler units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/4/#findComment-3668192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 D'oh. It was a heavy support choice, not elite. My bad. Thank you, Noctus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/4/#findComment-3668213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Hey, that works perfect for since I didn't have any ideas for HS. Hello VIII Legion Castellax. Goodbye wallet and bank account. EDIT: Sorry for the off-topic post. I was thinking out loud. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/4/#findComment-3668217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctus Cornix Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 D'oh. It was a heavy support choice, not elite. My bad. Thank you, Noctus. Eh, don't worry about it. I just happened to actually be looking through the Massacre book at the exact same time I saw that post. And besides, there is SOMETHING in the book that allows them to be taken as Elites, so you were atleast half right. :P Back on topic, I'd concur with the idea that you should probably stay away from Mechanicum toys. The only way to get them is through Heavy Supports, which is of course prime territory for Iron Warriors and the only good thing I can think of using them for is sort of a bodyguard pack for your Warpsmith (Which is what I'll be doing with Autek' Mor) But then again, you already said you weren't going to use them anyway, so no big deal. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/4/#findComment-3668253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Rules for the Cortex Controller can be found on page 192 in Massacre and page 234 of Extermination. Ah, in the Legion special rules, thanks! Yeah that doesn't make sense. Mechanicum are BB for us, so don't waste precious slots and just ally them in. If you won't ally anyway, then a Praetor/Warpsmith with PotL may be for you, Heinrich. Veteran Squads @+3ppm sure are an upgrade to the minimum tac squads you have and bring special weapons, too. terminators imo should always bring at least one chainfist (rest either axes or mauls) and combi-goodness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/4/#findComment-3668429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted April 29, 2014 Author Share Posted April 29, 2014 Rules for the Cortex Controller can be found on page 192 in Massacre and page 234 of Extermination. Ah, in the Legion special rules, thanks! Yeah that doesn't make sense. Mechanicum are BB for us, so don't waste precious slots and just ally them in. If you won't ally anyway, then a Praetor/Warpsmith with PotL may be for you, Heinrich. Veteran Squads @+3ppm sure are an upgrade to the minimum tac squads you have and bring special weapons, too. terminators imo should always bring at least one chainfist (rest either axes or mauls) and combi-goodness. Yeah but then I don't benefit from the Master of Signal who's currently buffing the crap out of the Iron Havoc squad. The main things I feel I can switch around are the Vindicators and the Breachers with the Landraider. I like the basic Tac squads and the synergy of the Master of Signal with the Iron Havocs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/4/#findComment-3668461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Sorry for the slight deviation, but has anyone considered taking some castellex with their word bearers to represent the ones from The First Heretic? I think that would be really cool and fluffgasmic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/4/#findComment-3668479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Rules for the Cortex Controller can be found on page 192 in Massacre and page 234 of Extermination. The rule is as follows Any Forge Lord in a Space Marine Legion Crusade army may take a Cortex Controller in addition to their usual options for +15 points. If atlease one model so equipped is present in the army then either a single Castellax Class Battle-automata unit or a single Thallax Cohort without Augment upgrades may be taken as a Heavy Support option for that force. Iron Hands are the only Legion that can currently take Cybernetica units as an elite choice by using their Rite of War. So really, its nothing special for the Iron Warriors aside from the fact that their Tech Marines can take it too, but if you did that then you'd be using up 2 Elite choices that could be better spent elsewhere on cooler units. Ah, that's the one. A shame, as I think the Thanatar would be fluffier for the IVth. Oh well. Sorry for the interruption, folks. Brother Heinrich, the last list you posted looks like a nasty wall of steel & ceramite being rammed down the enemy's throat. I like it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/4/#findComment-3668507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 The main things I feel I can switch around are the Vindicators and the Breachers with the Landraider. you get a cataphracti terminator squad with combi-plasma and chainfists for the price of that breacher squad. it is scoring as well and you already have the transport. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/4/#findComment-3668572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 Chain fists and Combi-plas on all 5? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/4/#findComment-3668649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Chain fists and Combi-plas on all 5? Chuck a plasma blaster or reaper on one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/4/#findComment-3668654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Plasma blasters are beautiful things.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/4/#findComment-3668658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 HQ: • Master of Signal - Artificer Armor, Refractor Field, Power Weapon – 120pts TROOPS: • Legion Terminator Squad - 5x Terminators, 5x Combi-Plasma, 4x Powerfists, Sergeant w/Chainfist – 240pts • Landraider Phobos - Auxiliary Drive, Armored Ceramite – 280pts • Legion Tactical Squad - 10x Marines, Vexila, Sergeant w/Powerfist and Artificer Armor – 185pts • Rhino w/Dozer Blade - 40pts • Legion Tactical Squad - 10x Marines, Vexila, Sergeant w/Powerfist and Artificer Armor – 185pts • Rhino w/Dozer Blade - 40pts HEAVY: • Iron Havocs - 10x Marines, 10x Missile Launchers – 360pts • Legion Predator - Plasma Executioner, Heavy Bolter Sponsons, Auxiliary Drive, Dozer Blade – 150pts • Legion Predator - Plasma Executioner, Heavy Bolter Sponsons, Auxiliary Drive, Dozer Blade – 150pts TOTAL: 1750pts How about this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289976-iron-within/page/4/#findComment-3668713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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