[HH1.0] Raven Guard Tactics

[Hesh Kadesh]

Darkwing isn't a particularly good investmen for its points, though.

 

You can usually stay outside of a Deredeos Line of Sight anyway.

 

As for taking out its Side armour, with what? It doesn't exaclty have a particularly punchy entrance.

[Nusquam]

I looked this up last night; long story short Dreads don't need initial LoS to intercept. FW emails were included etc. I was under the impression they did need LoS** and the pivot was to get the other gun LoS if it didn't have it. But apparently that's not the case and staying out of LoS doesn't matter. I already think Interceptor should never have existed, and this just makes Deredeos auto-includes if you have the slots.

 

**stupid phone

Edited November 25, 2015 by Nusquam

[SkimaskMohawk]

What? Sorry bud, but that makes no sense. Unless you have a weapon that doesn't need LOS to shoot then you in fact need it to intercept. Coupled with the dread's total 45 degree arc giving them a 22.5 left and right, you've got yourself one hell of a blind spot to abuse with intercept. 

[Hesh Kadesh]

They do.

 

The rules state they do.

 

FW National Minimum Wage email answerers say otherwise.

 

As ever, until it is FAQ'd...

[nightwrench]

My question is do you get interceptor/skyfire if you haven't had a game turn.  I.E. dread claw drops in via drop pod assault top of turn 1.

[SkimaskMohawk]

No. You haven't had the chance to neither run or move in your game turn to activate it 

[defl0]

Not to really get into it, but yeah they get to intercept, which let's you shoot. But to shoot you have have to have LOS and range. No LOS. No shoot.

 

Are you saying they get a torso twist before they shoot?

[SkimaskMohawk]

Not to really get into it, but yeah they get to intercept, which let's you shoot. But to shoot you have have to have LOS and range. No LOS. No shoot.

 

Are you saying they get a torso twist before they shoot?

 

Well, they don't. It's pretttttttttty clear about that.

 

"If the Legion Dreadnought chooses to neither move nor Run in its turn, it gains the Skyfire and Interceptor special rules for that entire Game turn (i.e. both the controlling player's turn and his opponent's following player turn)."

 

Other than the dreadnought in question, nothing changes in the wording across the models that have the Helical Targeting array. If someone's deepstriking a pod or whatever on the top of turn 1 you haven't had the chance to "neither move nor Run in it's turn" yet, meaning no special rules. This is reinforced by the clarification of game turn; it is always activated on the controlling player's turn and lasts into the opponent's turn.

 

Also no torso twist in case that's a question too; they only get that in overwatch, otherwise its the good ol' 22.5 degree arc left and right

 

All in all, pretty cut and dry, but I can imagine people getting mad when they find out they can't 360 degree intercept on the very first turn and then emailing FW and getting an answer saying "of course you can do that"

Edited November 25, 2015 by SkimaskMohawk

[nightwrench]

 

All in all, pretty cut and dry, but I can imagine people getting mad when they find out they can't 360 degree intercept on the very first turn and then emailing FW and getting an answer saying "of course you can do that"

 

 

Amen to that. 

 

That is how I interpret it as well but I wanted to make sure I wasn't off the rails.  I will then hear the RAI argument and finally forge the narrative.  Which I usually have a narrative of you deployed bad...sorry.  I say it with a smile.  Sometimes I think I should have played Alpha Legion and just say as a narrative "we are all Alpha Legion".  How do you trump that?

 

Thanks for walking through the rules. 

[Nova_chron]

So if I'm taking decap strike what do you guys like in the heavy slot I've been trying to think of what to take there and I'm stumped.

[GreyCrow]

You could go for a Deathstorm if you're Pod heavy, or a full Heavy Support Squad that Infiltrates in proper firing positions.

The HSS with Lascannons might be the most "all comers" choice since you might be facing enemys with AV14 and Armoured Ceramite against which your drop meltas would be powerless.

[Slips]

Deathstorms are Elites with Decap.

 

Deredeo Would be the most versatile option, a Fire Raptor is always solid and if you want Terminators you could always use a Caestus.

 

You could always take a 3-Medusa Battery to pummel the enemy with S10 Ap2 Barrage Shots.

[Hesh Kadesh]

Leviathan carried by Kharybdis, especially if you houserule the Bombards to get Haywire (I'm awaiting the FW typing monkeys to get back to me on how they interpret it). Regardless, one of them dropping in is lethal and face eaty, and a 2 for one kinda deal that fits the Decap Strike ideal.

[Nova_chron]

I like the Levi dread idea... It's hard playing Raven guard for me cause I'm naturally a tread head but I wanted something different first... Then I'll do an allied tank heavy force or just a second legion

[Nusquam]

I was considering a fire raptor for the one HS but the leviathan had piqued my interest. It really can put the hurt on a lot of things. It's like a contemptor in an anvillus dialed up to 11 that can take on a wider array of targets. With the price tag to match. My concern is It'll reach knight territory in price. Though in 30k marines can't take knight LoWs so it's less of "why not just take a knight at that point" since you'd need two to ally.

[Slips]

A Leviathan also has the distinct honor of being a Dread Capable of Kneecapping Knights if it gets the Charge off and has a Siege Drill.

[Nova_chron]

Good point slips

[Nusquam]

That's true, so long as they don't get blown out by the knight exploding, though a 4++ will help.

[Hesh Kadesh]

On the otherside they'll nuke themselves too, so double deading everything.

[defl0]

I like the model but don't love it tactically. It's a little slow for my taste.

 

I could see it being really fun in a dread bash list though.

[Nova_chron]

Would a predator squadron be a good option? Obviously need to pick a role I need and build them for it thinking a magna melta on one tank with machine spirit then stock auto cannons

[defl0]

It's a lot of bang for the buck for one HVY slot. Doable at bigger point levels. Then again, I pretty much never use Hvy slots with RG.

 

They are a pretty good and an efficient unit.

[Nova_chron]

Yeah my biggest concern is some AT and armor to screen LoS so predators seemed like the way to go

[defl0]

Yeah. I mean they are a solid unit. But the RG rules don't really give any advantage. Things like Hvy weapon squads or fire raptors get a good boost in a RG army.

[Nova_chron]

Yeah I'm just worried in a decap strike only having one slot the heavy team is just going to get pasted