30k Vehicle/Automata Concepts - The Manufactorum

[lokkorex]

It's incredible!

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

With Grotsmasha's new treadhead modeling contest, some of you folks might want to see about making some of these tank variants real.

[jokaero weaponsmith]

Already well down that path although not a tank.

The designs here are inspired how could I not produce at least one of IHF's ideas in 3d.

Edited October 1, 2014 by jokaero weaponsmith

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

I've got a vehicle of my own in mind, but it's not a tank either.

[Hyaenidae]

I've already begun the process of gutting a FW UM Dread to make the Lucifer.

 

I cried a little.

[jokaero weaponsmith]

Ok that's two lucifers in the works, spill Brother Chaplin Kage what IHF STC are you creating

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

A flyer gunship/transport for my Unification era Crimson Sons is all I'll say.

 

*Edit* Of my own creation, not something from IHF.

Edited October 1, 2014 by Brother Chaplain Kage

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

I PMd Grot about my flyer, and the challenge is now flyers or tanks. I guess I better get going on this thing.

[Aqui]

I've been lurking in this topic for sometime and I love it. I felt moved to post when I saw the Eddy concept The Eddy was the first Dread I ever had, and whilst I agree that the molds used to cast them were diabolical, it's still one model that I still have great affection for (especially as mine was one of the only models I had that never died in any of the games I had back in the day). Pity the one I had is long gone now

 

Can't wait to see one actually made!

[no I'm alpharius]

I had an idea for a flyer based on the Ho 229 - high speed reconnaissance - but its probably more suited to the Imperial Guard. 

 

Actually, the BV 141, asymmetric as it was, could be a nice base for something like that. Like the C130s with the guns on one side. 

[Russ Brother 92]

oooh speaking of C130s - possibility of creating a legion variant of the C130 Spooky? High altitude, no carrying capacity except crew but monstrous firepower - so I'd say the equivalent of 30mm Gatling, 40mm BOFORS and 105mm would probably be the proto-assault cannons useable by support squads (for the 30mm), twin linked autocannons (the BOFORS) and one battle cannon or similar heavy weapon (the 105mm) - I'd figure it to be the heavy support Air Support variant of a THawk (hence no carrying capacity).

[no I'm alpharius]

Converted Marauder? nah, the engines get in the way

 

Vulture variant? engine issues

 

Thunderhawk 

 

OK, strip off the silly dorsal gun and replace the transport capability with a gunnery platform? Extend it forwards under the cockpit, so assault guns and punisher gatling cannons on the bottom and the battle cannon front and centre?  

 

http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/CanisD/Shipyard/40K/Thunderhawk.png

 

No, wait, what about a demolisher cannon at the front? 

No transport capability, no top cover, relatively limited air-to-air capability but absolutely absurd in clearing hordes and infantry close support. 

[BassWave]

oooh speaking of C130s - possibility of creating a legion variant of the C130 Spooky? High altitude, no carrying capacity except crew but monstrous firepower - so I'd say the equivalent of 30mm Gatling, 40mm BOFORS and 105mm would probably be the proto-assault cannons useable by support squads (for the 30mm), twin linked autocannons (the BOFORS) and one battle cannon or similar heavy weapon (the 105mm) - I'd figure it to be the heavy support Air Support variant of a THawk (hence no carrying capacity).

You essentially described a fire raptor. Its a storm eagle with no carrying capacity because its full of guns. Although, giving the fire raptor a big brother would be crazy cool :D

[Russ Brother 92]

 

oooh speaking of C130s - possibility of creating a legion variant of the C130 Spooky? High altitude, no carrying capacity except crew but monstrous firepower - so I'd say the equivalent of 30mm Gatling, 40mm BOFORS and 105mm would probably be the proto-assault cannons useable by support squads (for the 30mm), twin linked autocannons (the BOFORS) and one battle cannon or similar heavy weapon (the 105mm) - I'd figure it to be the heavy support Air Support variant of a THawk (hence no carrying capacity).

You essentially described a fire raptor. Its a storm eagle with no carrying capacity because its full of guns. Although, giving the fire raptor a big brother would be crazy cool

 

 

Without me stealing IHFs thread of wonderfulness - that was my intention, a beefed up big brother for the Fire Raptor :D 

[no I'm alpharius]

Having just googled such a beast, I rather like the twin-linked Avenger bolt cannon at the front. 

 

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

Well, news coming out of Warhammer Fest says FW is working on a new Dread Chassis & 2 SM Flyers, one of which seems to be a Stormbird variant.

 

The Dread is apparently even larger than the Contemptor, so unless its a crazy Lucifer, I doubt it will bear any resemblance to the designs I drew inspiration from - to be honest, I'm not sure how I feel about an even more massive Dread, what with the recent GW trend of making big walkers for the sake of it - although I'm sure with FW's team will ensure when it's released, we'll all loose our from the awesomeness.

 

I'm really hopeful the 2nd flyer is a 1-man interceptor / fighter - it'd be nice to have one of those purely for Legion forces.

 

For a while, I've actually had a really distinct view of just such a model, but with time constraints of current life, & the complexity of showing all aspects of this kind of vehicle, I'm not gonna be able to post a design for it anytime in the near future, so I'll just outline my ideas below:

 

FIRE TALON STRIKE FIGHTER

 

Kinda a hybrid of the (super awful) Storm Talon, the Vulture & half a Caestus Assault Ram.

 

The frontal fuselage would have the canopy from the Storm Talon, with an underslung 'chin' weapon mount similar to the Spartan's HB turret flipped upside-down. To either side of the canopy, just above the chin turret would be a pair of VTOL thrusters, miniaturised versions of those found at the front of the Storm Eagle

 

You'd then have an extended body similar to the Vulture / Valkyrie, but following the contours of the Storm Talon's nose (the turret would be slightly lower than the fuselage behind it), with propulsion provided by the turbofans from the Nephilim jet-fighter, slung under the wings in the same way as the Storm Eagle. There would also be a recessed intake behind the canopy on the fighter's roof similar to the intakes on the Caestus Ram, just with a lower profile.

 

The wings would be a combination of those from the Caestus ram & smaller versions from the Storm Eagle, with the Caestus' upper fins & the Storm Eagle's weapon mounts & VTOL jets.

 

The tail would be split similar to the Vulture / Valkyrie, with a third engine mounted below them, using the intake from behind the canopy (fluffwise, this 3rd engine would allow limited void-flight).

 

In terms of profile wise, you could take a squad of 3 as a single Fast Attack slot, and the Weaponry would be as follows:

 

Chin Turret:

*Twin-linked rotor cannon (standard)

*Twin-linked Heavy Bolter

*Twin-linked Heavy Flamer

*Twin-linked multi-melta

*Plasma Cannon

*Volkite Culverin

 

Wing Mounts:

*Twin-linked cyclone missile launcher (standard)

*Pair of Reaper Autocannons

*2 sets of twin-linked lascannon

*Twin-linked Kheres Assault cannon

*Selection of different missiles / bombs (similar to Primaris Lightning)

[Slips]

I'm quite apprehensive about the new Dread they talked about.

 

Maybe it'll be what the Dread Knight was supposed to be and not the silly baby carrier it is now?

[spu00sed]

I'm quite apprehensive about the new Dread they talked about.

 

Maybe it'll be what the Dread Knight was supposed to be and not the silly baby carrier it is now?

I hear it is knight sized, with a dread strapped to the front

[Slips]

....dear Emperor the Horror...

[jokaero weaponsmith]

I'm quite apprehensive about the new Dread they talked about.

Maybe it'll be what the Dread Knight was supposed to be and not the silly baby carrier it is now?

I hear it is knight sized, with a dread strapped to the front

You're mistaken its knight sized with a centurion strapped to the front

Editing for stupity please accept my penance

A work in progress IHF STC Lucifer Dreadnought

Edited October 13, 2014 by jokaero weaponsmith

[malika666]

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LEGION SPHINX RECON CARRIER:

Although possessing a smaller transport capacity that the far more common Rhino carrier, the Sphinx fulfilled a specialised niche within the Legions’ armouries, being a light scouting vehicle capable of both delivering small troop contingents to forward positions – often for clandestine deployments – and providing long-range intelligence for following units. Whilst mostly attached to larger divisions to operate ahead of their main advance, some smaller Legion formations fielded the Sphinx as their primary transport, favouring its manoeuvrability, speed and relatively high firepower, which often lead to its use in swift hit and run attacks, destroying outlying enemy forces piecemeal.

Sphinx Recon Carrier: BS: 4 Armour: 12/10/10 HP: 3

Unit Composition:

• 1 Sphinx Recon Carrier

Unit Type:

• Vehicle (Tank, Fast, Transport)

Wargear:

• Hull-mounted heavy bolter
• Smoke launchers
• Search light
• Nectunt-auspex

Special Rules:

• Outflank

Transport Capacity:

• The Sphinx Recon Carrier can transport 6 models

Fire Points:

• None

Access Points:

• One rear access point

Options:

• The Sphinx Recon Carrier may select any of the following upgrades:

-Dozer blade

-Auxiliary drive

-Extra armour

• The Sphinx Recon Carrier may take one of the following pintle-mounted weapons:

-Heavy flamer

-Heavy bolter

-Multi-melta

• The Sphinx Recon Carrier may be equipped with the following hull-mounted weapon:

-Falx Rocket Mortar

Falx Rocket Mortar:

Originally utilised as field artillery by Solar Auxilia units, the Falx Rocket Mortar’s versatility and reliability soon saw it adopted in other deployments, with its main use amongst the Legiones Astartes as a modular vehicular weapon, providing anti-infantry firepower in the same vein as the myriad hunter-killer missile patterns commonly found amongst almost all Imperial armour divisions.

Falx Rocket Mortar: Range: 12-48” S: 4 AP: 5 Type: Heavy 4, Barrage, Large Blast (5”), One-shot

Nectunt-auspex:

Augmenting the Sphinx’ role as a recon transport, the Nectunt-auspex consisted of a sensor array built into the tank’s frame, with an enhanced vox-caster unit integrated into its mechanisms. Designed both to support the purpose of its passengers and relay intelligence to allied forces, the Nectunt-auspex ensured even once its function as transport had been fulfilled, the Sphinx played a vital role in the Legions’ deployments.

The Sphinx counts as being equipped with both an Augary Scanner and Nuncio-vox.

Dedicated Transport:

The Sphinx Recon Carrier is a dedicated transport option for any Legion Veteran Tactical Squad, Legion Destroyer Squad, Legion Reconnaissance Squad or Legion Seeker Squad, as long as the unit numbers six models or less.

Spinx? Sounds familiar!

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk107/Anargo-Sector-Project/Vehicles/sphinxbyCELS.png

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

Huh, wierd coincidence

 

And that Lucifer is looking insane Jokaero, nice work

[Hyaenidae]

*whisper* Stiletto-pattern stealth Assault Boat... */whisper*

Edited November 3, 2014 by 1000heathens

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

*whisper* Stiletto-pattern stealth Assault Boat... */whisper*

 

Unfortunately, at the moment I don't have the time or resources to do any proper designs, and it'll probably be that way until mid-late December, so I won't be putting out any image re-designs or unit profiles until around then.

 

However, between now and then, I'll be compiling a list of potential stuff that I can investigate further.

 

A stealth assault boat seems kinda too specific to see widespread Legion service - although I do like the idea. Maybe a dedicated transport for the Alpha's / Raven Guard, but has to be 'unlocked' with a vigilator consul for other Legions?

 

In terms of design, I'm thinking rather than conventional plasma / rocket engines, a bizarre form of Gravitic Impellor from some Mechanicum savant, which doesn't generate any thermal / visual signatures - allowing the vessel to slip through an enemy fleet's picket lines undetected. Obviously it'd need some kind of melta breaching device, but perhaps it could also have some form of one-use ark-pulse emitter (EMP) to shut down local systems upon hull breach. Oh, and of course it'd have some kind of missiles.

 

In game terms, it'd have a load of stealth rules, and the ark-pulse would work in a similar way to frag assault launchers - it activates when the passengers disembark, and all models within a certain radius suffer some kind of low-strength attack, with Blind & Pinning. For vehicles, it counts as haywire.

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

Just posting this here so I have a back-catalogue of ideas to design around.

 

Thureos Armoured Transport [solar Auxilia]

 

Just an idea I had for an SA transport with a 10-person capacity to supplement the hefty Dracosan. Obviously the chimera chassis wasn't avaliable in the Great Crusade, so the next option would be the Leman Russ.  Now, the as yet unreleased Medusa & Basilisk for the SA already have a pretty good design in terms of optimising internal capacity, with an extended rear hull & exit hatch:

http://admin.gamesworkshop.tradeitlive.com/Images/FW/HomeRotatingBanners/sabasilisk-spiel1.jpg

 

All the Thureos would require would be the removal of the earthshaker cannon, and the extension of the upper, sloped section of the hull across to cover the tank's whole  width. Then I'd add a hull-mounted weapon next to the driver's compartment, using the same hull-mount as featured on the front of the Malcador (able to take a Heavy Bolter, Autocannon or Lascannon).

 

The Thureos would only have a rear acess hatch, but I'd imagine that it would be used for smaller, specialist units - the main assault would use the Dracosan. I'd also add some fluff about it being used as more of a main-line transport on less well-supplied fronts due to the relative ease of construction of the Leman Russ chassis.

 

When I get a decent amount of free time (probably a couple of weeks either side of Christmas) I'll come up with some rules (hopefully by then I'll have had a look at the SA rules), and do a quick photoshop of what the model would look like. Plus, if Conquest has a design for either the Medusa / Basilisk, it should be pretty easy to throw together a proper edited image & profile.

 

THUREOS ARMOURED TRANSPORT:

 

Thureos:   BS: 3   Armour: 13/12/10   HP: 3

 

Unit Composition:

• 1 Thureos Armoured Transport

Unit Type:

• Vehicle (Tank, Transport)

Wargear:

• Hull-mounted heavy bolter
• Searchlight
• Smoke launchers

Special Rules:

• Explorator Adaptation

Transport Capacity:

• The Thureos Armoured Transport can transport 10 models, but may not transport Bulky or larger models

Fire Points:

• None

Access Points:

• A Thureos Armoured Transport has a single access hatch on the rear

Options:

• The vehicle may take any of the following:

- Armoured Ceramite

- One hunter-killer missile

- Dozer blade

- Auxiliary Drive

- Extra Armour

• The vehicle may take one of the following pintle-mounted weapons:

- Heavy flamer

- Heavy bolter

- Multi-laser

• The Thureos may exchange its hull-mounted heavy bolter for one of the following:

- Multi-laser

- Heavy flamer

- Autocannon

- Lascannon

 

Dedicated Transport:

Up to six Thureos Armoured Transports may be bought as Dedicated Transports for an Auxilia Infantry Tercio. Additionally, a single Thureos Armoured Transport may be bought as a Dedicated Transport for an Auxilia Tactical Command Section or a Veletaris Storm Section taken as a Household Retinue squad.

Edited March 20, 2015 by Iron Hands Fanatic