++ The Dark Council - A Word Bearers Community ++

[Backslide]

Daemonettes are the default really, fast hit hard kill everything

 

I have found flamers utterly fantastic if not fighting power armour

[Plague _Lord]

Brothers!

Do you hear the voices toooo?

 

After a lifelong devotion to nurgle, I have now seen the truth = all gods must be revered equally!!

 

I feel the new legions book lets me play word bearers how I allways wanted to - lots of cultists and daemons dying in droves while the marines target heavy and vital targets to the plan. Chaos incarnate. When I tried to do this earlier I found out that most of my points were going into daemons... and that made the army not a word bearers one but a CD one.

 

Now I'm still thinking about my list but it will be most likely a summoning heavy list. Now has anyone given the possessed formation a go? Or are they still sh*t?

 

Oh and the start of my first squad, with a little kitbash and base colours.

 

http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg567/kowaldo/20170105_013104_zpsud6i1rmx.jpg

 

http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg567/kowaldo/20170105_013118_zpsgfj3hvyn.jpg

 

http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg567/kowaldo/20170105_013054_zpsveqptkao.jpg

 

Not sure if number 1 is chaotic enough... will probably inscribe some chos runes on his cloth...

[Confused Word Bearer]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned or not already but, thanks to the Warlord Trait that gives a Mastery Level or +1 Mastery Level, you could potentially have a ML4 Psyker as your warlord, or a ML1 Khornate Psyker hilariously enough.

 

Also, is the Word Bearers Omnibus a good read? I just noticed I have just enough money to get it. I'm currently sampling it, but I just thought asking for some other opinions on it wouldn't hurt.

[Apostle of the 30th Host]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned or not already but, thanks to the Warlord Trait that gives a Mastery Level or +1 Mastery Level, you could potentially have a ML4 Psyker as your warlord, or a ML1 Khornate Psyker hilariously enough.

 

Also, is the Word Bearers Omnibus a good read? I just noticed I have just enough money to get it. I'm currently sampling it, but I just thought asking for some other opinions on it wouldn't hurt.

 

I thought it was amazing! Really well written and goes into a lot of details of the inner workings of the Word Bearers. It is one of my favourite Black Library novels (although I haven't read too many), and I would put it up there with First Heretic and ADB's other work.

 

Definitely worth a read if you're interested in the Word Bearers. I picked my copy up on ebay (second hand but very good condition) for about £6 so I would have a look there first.

[Backslide]

I loved the second one the most, but all are great fun, makes me wish we had hatred as USR but I'm pretty content right noe

 

game in 2 days torn between word bearers and my daemons

[Lord_Starscream]

I loved the second one the most, but all are great fun, makes me wish we had hatred as USR but I'm pretty content right noe

 

game in 2 days torn between word bearers and my daemons

 

You know the truth, Backslide. The truth being that the Word Bearers must be taken. :P

[Backslide]

discovered club champs starts shortly, 1750... must decide

[Canadian_F_H]

Why decide between demons and WB. They are the daemon summoning legion right

[Khornestar]

If 30k Word Bearers are welcome, here's a praetor I've been working on to lead my blood cult. If not, here's a random one-off Word Bearers character from 40k

 

 

*EDIT* Replaced potato with camera quality pictures:

 

http://i.imgur.com/jepVZnxl.jpg

 

http://i.imgur.com/EuWuI6Fl.jpg

 

http://i.imgur.com/TtBswdhl.jpg

 

You can see there's a lot of sculpting to be done around the crown of his head to connect the helmet to the skull and make them look semi-believably merged.

 

I'm inspired by this illustration to paint the "paragon blade" as a sort of ghostly weapon. Not sure if I just want to stick to blue tones, as I don't think I can pull off the rainbow effect with my skills at this point. I'll practice on some hellblades, or something.

 

http://i.imgur.com/1H8ZV87.png

Edited January 10, 2017 by Venomlust

[Confused Word Bearer]

 

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned or not already but, thanks to the Warlord Trait that gives a Mastery Level or +1 Mastery Level, you could potentially have a ML4 Psyker as your warlord, or a ML1 Khornate Psyker hilariously enough.

Also, is the Word Bearers Omnibus a good read? I just noticed I have just enough money to get it. I'm currently sampling it, but I just thought asking for some other opinions on it wouldn't hurt.

 

 

I thought it was amazing! Really well written and goes into a lot of details of the inner workings of the Word Bearers. It is one of my favourite Black Library novels (although I haven't read too many), and I would put it up there with First Heretic and ADB's other work.

 

Definitely worth a read if you're interested in the Word Bearers. I picked my copy up on ebay (second hand but very good condition) for about £6 so I would have a look there first.

The Word Bearers and the Iron Warriors are my two favorite traitor legions, actually.

 

I bought the Omnibus yesterday and so far I'm loving it! I just finished Dark Apostle and I have to say it's now one of my favorite books I've read in a while!

 

On a side note, I've decided to paint my KdK army as Word Bearers using the 30k scheme.

[Panzer]

Okay so I got some Spellcrow stuff today and I got some freebies with it (took them quite a while) and I remembered that someone asked where to get candle bits in some Word Bearer thread a few days ago.....I just can't find it again so I gonna post it here instead.
(excuse the crappy picture quality tho)

http://i.imgur.com/5AILTHB.png

[Khornestar]

Oh those are neat.

[Confused Word Bearer]

Those are pretty cool!

[ronin_cse]

Discussion in this thread seems to have taken a nose dive over the last few days . Came up with an initial list that I'm going to build towards using what I currently have. Would love some suggestions on where to go with it from here. 

 

+++ WB 1500 host (Warhammer 40,000 7th Edition v2017) (1500pts) +++

++ CSM Word Bearers Grand Host (Chaos Space Marines: Codex (2012) v2011) ++

+ Uncategorised +

····Force Options (Supplement options here) [Word Bearers]

+ Core +

····Chaos Warband
······Chaos Lord [burning Brand of Skalanthrax, Plasma Pistol, Power Armour, Sigil of corruption, Veterans of the Long War, Warlord]
······Chaos Space Marines [4x Chaos Marine with Boltgun, Chaos Rhino, Meltagun, Veterans of the Long War]
········Aspiring Champion [boltgun]
······Chaos Space Marines [4x Chaos Marine with Boltgun, Chaos Rhino, Meltagun, Veterans of the Long War]
········Aspiring Champion [boltgun]
······Havocs [4x Havoc, 4x Lascannon, Veterans of the Long War]
········Aspiring Champion [boltgun]
······Possessed [4x Possessed, Possessed Champion, Veterans of the Long War]
······Raptors [icon of Wrath, Mark of Khorne, 2x Meltagun, 4x Raptor, Veterans of the Long War]
········Raptor Champion [2x Lightning Claw]
······Sorcerer [2x Additional Mastery Level, Combi-bolter, Force Stave, Mark of Tzeentch, Spell familiar, Terminator Armour, The Malefic Tome, Veterans of the Long War]

+ Command +

····Lord of the Legion
······Sorcerer [Force Stave, Power Armour, Sigil of corruption, Spell familiar, The Scripts of Erebus, Veterans of the Long War]

+ Auxiliary +

····The Lost and the Damned
······Chaos Cultists [9x Cultists, Mark of Tzeentch, 3x Replace Autopistol with Autogun]
········Cultist Champion [shotgun]
······Chaos Cultists [Cultist Champion, 9x Cultists]
······Chaos Cultists [Cultist Champion, 9x Cultists]
······Chaos Cultists [Cultist Champion, 9x Cultists]
······Dark Apostle [Aura of dark glory, Mark of Khorne, The Cursed Crozius, Veterans of the Long War]

Created with BattleScribe

 

We usually have a monthly tournament at my nearby game store and it's usually around 1500 pts so that's the reason for the pts value. Since the legion book just came out I really want to use our detachment even if it isn't all that great. Keeping all that in mind I kind of think I'm a little light on anti-vehicle. Thinking of dropping The Lost and the Damned for a couple of Heldrakes to help out there and to get some actual AA. Other thoughts are getting a few Obliterators or Predators. Obviously moving to a CAD would make things easier but for now at least I wanna stick with the detachment for a few games.

 

Edit: Oh and I plan on using the sorcerers to do some summoning from my smallish Daemon collection.

Edited January 11, 2017 by ronin_cse

[Backslide]

have a look at the detachment again, lost and the dammed is core :D whats with the lord? burning brand and plasma pistol seems a terrible idea? not sure how else to comment as I tend to use a lot less upgrades, if a sorcerer is going to summon I keep them cheap and no upgrades just lvl3 and farmilar, with the scrips and tome spread through, the warband sorcerer I like to give the tome then roll on biomancy or ectomancy and hope for buff spells and then buff him from the warband boon rolls

[totgeboren]

So, a list with lots of small units?

 

First off I think you should switch the Possessed for a 3-man Termicide unit. The Lord should... I dunno, at least get power sword. Odd to have both a plasmapistol and brand?

 

Marks are a straight downgrade for Psykers (and cultists), so since we are not required to take them I suggest you drop the MoT on him. I have a nice Terminator Sorcerer model too, but if you are going for taking advantage of the WB rules, all-Malefic is the way to go.

In that case, drop all upgrades except the Familiar and relics. Especially change the Sigil for another power level or something.

 

Or do something in between, the non-warband Sorcerer could be a lvl 2 summoner who will likely die from perils turn 2-3. Then your termisorcerer could go with other schools and take over when the warp charge are available.

 

Also, never give cultists marks. That is as said one of our benefits as WB, we are not forced to give anyone marks. Cultists are strictly better without marks.

 

The DA also comes with a Sigil (4++) so giving him a 5++ save is a waste of points.

 

IF you are running your Raptors with Icon and Mark, they really need to be much larger than 5-man strong. Just one round of Overwatch will see them crippled.

 

I think you should either skip the LatD formation or the Warband formation, and instead use a CAD. If you skip the LatD and go with a CAD, you can get 2 cultist squads as Troops, and perhaps the PA Sorcerer as HQ for the CAD. Then you can either use the points to fill out your Warband squads so they can do something meaningful, or include say a Heldrake or something. Remember that you can use a single Spawn as Aux too.

Edited January 12, 2017 by totgeboren

[ronin_cse]

Guess that's what I get for just trusting battlescribe, it has LatD listed as core and aux.

 

The lord has the brand because...I dunno it sounded cool, obviously yes you're both right pretty pointless taking that and a pistol. I'm using the lord from DV and gonna run him as modeled so I'll be keeping the pistol even though they kind of suck, guess I'll switch the sword. I forgot taking a mark means you have to roll on the relevant discipline, really just trying to make this fluffy as well as fun to play and MoT seemed to fit .

 

Why does taking a mark on cultists make them worse? Just because they are more expensive?

 

I'll probably be keeping the possessed again to stay fluffy for the hell of it and because I want to use my Gal Vorbak models . Forgot the DA already has a sigil...so doh! The raptors are only a 5 man because that's how many models of them I own, will expand them later. Actually I'll probably try to get enough to run the formation.

 

I will probably do the detachment with the warband, drop the LatD and run a CAD as well. That allows me to take my FW stuff as well, that helps with my AV worries since I have a Vindicator with Laser Destroyer.

 

Thanks for all the tips and corrections! I think they will help a lot.

 

Edit: Oh and I'm going to continue to be stubborn and run regular CSMs. I know they aren't great but I don't care, if I'm going to play CSM I'm going to run CSMs ;)

Edited January 12, 2017 by ronin_cse

[totgeboren]

Well the most fluffy for WB is undivided after all, which I guess would be no marks.

 

About the Cultists. For example, say you have 60 pts to play around with, and you have 10 guys. You can either give them MoN or buy 5 more dudes.

With MoN you get 10 guys, and the resilience of each guy is increased by around 25% (vs bolters) compared to basic dudes. You would need 20 bolter hits to kill the squad.

With 15 guys they are wounded on a 3+ in the same scenario, but since there are 15 of them you need 22,5 bolter hits to kill the squad. So the squad with more guys can take more of a beating than the MoN squad even though costing the same, on top of having 50% more offensive output (15 guys vs 10 guys).

 

This generally holds for all the marks. Buy more cultists instead, it's fluffier for WB, and also better since your units become more resilient and also more dangerous.

[Panzer]

The Battlescribe data for Traitor Legions is still pretty buggy. You could take the Kakophoni for any Legions meta-detachment or black crusade detachment etc. if you make it an EC detachment and so on for example. ;)

[ronin_cse]

Well the most fluffy for WB is undivided after all, which I guess would be no marks.

 

About the Cultists. For example, say you have 60 pts to play around with, and you have 10 guys. You can either give them MoN or buy 5 more dudes.

With MoN you get 10 guys, and the resilience of each guy is increased by around 25% (vs bolters) compared to basic dudes. You would need 20 bolter hits to kill the squad.

With 15 guys they are wounded on a 3+ in the same scenario, but since there are 15 of them you need 22,5 bolter hits to kill the squad. So the squad with more guys can take more of a beating than the MoN squad even though costing the same, on top of having 50% more offensive output (15 guys vs 10 guys).

 

This generally holds for all the marks. Buy more cultists instead, it's fluffier for WB, and also better since your units become more resilient and also more dangerous.

 

I guess my thought on the marks was that a particular group of Word Bearers may dedicate themselves to a particular god in order to me more effective in their role. I could have sworn there was a unit Word Bearers briefly mentioned in the trilogy that were mostly Khorne worshipers...

 

Not taking it on a cultists is probably correct though, I guess I just fell into the trap of thinking having a bunch of cheap models with a 6++ would be worth it

 

The Battlescribe data for Traitor Legions is still pretty buggy. You could take the Kakophoni for any Legions meta-detachment or black crusade detachment etc. if you make it an EC detachment and so on for example.

 

Oh yeah for sure, that always tends to be the case for awhile. They usually have the basic stuff like what formations can be taken in each detachment correct though ;). I think I double checked it too and read one of the other formations as that one.

[Kor Dalron]

 

 

I guess my thought on the marks was that a particular group of Word Bearers may dedicate themselves to a particular god in order to me more effective in their role. I could have sworn there was a unit Word Bearers briefly mentioned in the trilogy that were mostly Khorne worshipers...

 

 

 

You remembered that right there was a mention of a Word Bearers squad and its leader who worshipped Khorne more than the other gods (which was normally forbidden) but the former Dark Apostle Jarulek tolerated it because of their effectiveness.

​

So single-marked Word Bearers are not unheared of but rather frowned upon by the official writings of Lorgar and the guidelines of the Dark Council.

[MaliGn]

 

I guess my thought on the marks was that a particular group of Word Bearers may dedicate themselves to a particular god in order to me more effective in their role. I could have sworn there was a unit Word Bearers briefly mentioned in the trilogy that were mostly Khorne worshipers...

 

 

You remembered that right there was a mention of a Word Bearers squad and its leader who worshipped Khorne more than the other gods (which was normally forbidden) but the former Dark Apostle Jarulek tolerated it because of their effectiveness.

​

So single-marked Word Bearers are not unheared of but rather frowned upon by the official writings of Lorgar and the guidelines of the Dark Council.

Yet each Host follows the whims of their apostle, as contradictory and unorthodox as they may be. Marduk was happy enough to keep khalaxis around after Jarulek's demise, despite being sceptical of his beliefs, he respected the efficacy of the veteran bezerker.

[Backslide]

I have run a warband with a lost and dammed, its good fun, yet to really feel like i get my points worth from the lost and the dammed but the threat of them coming back is nice, one day I'll just run a lost and the dammed and 3 or 4 daemon princes

 

as for marks, I have used khorne alot, rage and hatred from the black crusade makes cheap unit of raptors into something rather nasty in a pinch, I have enjoyed a lord with the axe of blind fury with a jump pack ruining with 4 or 5 spawn, turns something that is a tax, lord and an Aux into something rather hitty.

 

I used a daemonic incurstion today, oh did I miss summoning on 3s

 

and lads if your going to summon get some flamers of tzeentch!!! if its not in power armour they kill it dead, I even had a squad kill 4 of 5 terminators

[Brother Aiwass]

Hello brothers. I've just finished the WB omnibus and it was actually a very addictive read. This book, however, left me with a bit of confusion in my head so I have a few (lots) question for you, veterans of the Word. I'll break this questions onto 3 groups, fluff, gaming and modeling.

 

So here we go.

 

+++FLUFF+++

 

I have trouble when comparing the 30k WB to their 40k brothers. Regarding legion organization we have Chapters in 30k and Hosts in 40k. I'm assuming a Host is a Chapter here, but maybe is not and I love to know what t is. Because you can look at a Host like if it is a Company:

 

Capt = Coryphaus

Chappy = Dark Apostle

Company Standard Bearer = Icon Bearer

Champions = Sarges

Coteries = Squads

 

Which makes sense (in my head at least). However in the Omnibus, it refers (or looks like it does to me, at least) to the coteries sometimes like squads (most of the time) sometimes like companies. Which is annoying. Having read and cross checked the FW HH books regarding the WB it doesn't mention those names (AFAIK, maybe I need to double check). Lexicanum instead does, and also does it 1D4chan, which confuses me further (I know, is not a reliable source) saying that a Champion is a squad Captain and an Aspiring Champion a squad Sgt. golly gee is a squad Cpt? I didn't know that rank unless they meant Company Lieutenants. But that would make sense if a Host is the equivalent of a Chapter:

 

Chapter Master = Coryphaus

High Chappy = DA

Chappy = First Acolyte

Chapter Vexillarius = Icon Bearer

Champion = Company Cptn.

Aspiring Champ = Sgt.

 

I would love some clarification here because my head is a mess :lol:

 

+++GAMING+++

 

From the gaming perspective, WB lacks the Diabolist figure, unless we make it with a mix of DA & sorc. For that, the sorcerer needs to be the warlord to get Zealot. Then we have the problem of survivability when summoning (or just gaming, because T4 W2). The obvious solution here is a ML 3 sorc with MoN in a Palanquin, now he gets his stats buffed to T5 W4, with a Sigil and a familiar he can surely survive the perils of conjuration. And that's what I intend to do. My doubt here is what relic to take; the Crozius is good, because we get S6 AP3 on top of T5 W4, but being a sorc he loves to have a force weapon for ID shenanigans; on the other part, we have the Malefic Tome, which is also cool for an extra power. And I really don't know which one to take, some advice would be very appreciated.

 

Rough draft on the list is

 

Warband

Lord (undecided wargear)

Diabolist (ML3 sorc with MoN and everything as stated above, relic to be decided)

Terminators

3 CSM squads

1 Raptor unit (Ashen Circle ofc!)

1 or 2 Havoc squads

 

Aux

Spawn

 

Helcult

Dread (undecided loadout but leaning to RAC & Fist)

20 Cultists

20 Cultists

 

That's at 2k points (if I have room, I'll ally a Tzeerald with some horrors for more summoning)

 

Any thoughts here will be neat! (No, I'm not going to deploy any Character inside the cultist cannon fodder, they're meat and lowly scum to be granted such honor, even if gamewise would be advisable :P )

 

+++MODELING+++

 

The question here would be about modeling the palanquin (some brother asked the same, but can find the post) without being nurgle-ish. Would be ok to model it with 3 power armor dudes in a dread base? The couple dudes will be those extra wounds and he can join a CSM squad without looking weird. But if this would be a problem gamewise I'll consider other options. If you have an awesome idea to share on that regard, please, be my guest!

[Kor Dalron]

Greetings fellow Bearer of the Word,
Just a quick response from me.

+++ FLUFF +++

In my opinion its very difficult to really transfer the 30k organistation to the 40k one a 100% because (of course) alot change and evolved or dissapeared alltogether. But in a loose sense you could compare the units like you already did. About the sice of the coteries: I immagined them being between 10 to 30 Marines, depending on their unit type (Havocs 10, Assault squads 20 and really large ones of 30 normal Bolter Marines).

 

+++ Gaming +++

About the diabolist, I´d run him as a normal Lvl 1 sorcerer because in 30k they also can only be a Lvl 1 psyker through the burning lore. Also play multiple ones if you like to represent their connection to the warp rather then bending it to their will, in the sense that they are not really psykers but bleased by the gods or know ancient teachings which allow them to summon daemons. But your loudout is of course fine if you want to play it that way.

+++ MODELLING ***

how about going for the look of an automated transport platform as representation for the palanquin. I envison a ground based disc of tzeentch with alot of short or long mechanical legs (like the claws and legs of the Heldrake).