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[Khornestar]

Probably, unless there's suddenly a rapid departure of the themes/rules in Traitor Legions.

[civsmitty]

Probably, unless there's suddenly a rapid departure of the themes/rules in Traitor Legions.

 

Blast. There goes THAT theme.

[Khornestar]

Well, don't take my WORD for it.

[Lexington]

Could do like me and run your Word Bearers with Black Legion rules. 

[Arven_Kar]

Got another sort of bothersome fluff question. In the Heresy, at least based on the rules they have, it seems like the Word Bearers legion more or less focuses on overwhelming offensives (I guess via numbers?) with a focus on close combat. If I'm wrong on that, please correct me. But if this is the case (and I'm sorry I haven't gotten a chance to read any of the later millennium Word Bearers novels), do those tactics carry over into the current era? 

 

I don't really have a sense of how much Word Bearers "recruit". I assume there are throngs of cultists and captured worlds in the Eye that provide new meat to transform into Astartes, but limited resources makes me think Crusade or Heresy-era strategy of 'overwhelm them with lots of better equipped men" would be less likely. Is there just more reliance on mortal followers? Ranged combat, daemon engines and summoned daemons?

[Lexington]

I'd assume that, given the difficulty in creating new Marines, they're at least a little less likely to choke the enemy with power armor and damn the consequences anymore. If anything, they probably try to do the same thing with simple human flesh, expending wave after wave of Cultists, either shipped in or locally-sourced. That's definitely key to my own army.

 

Daemonic summoning is probably a good secondary wave tactic, but it's not the kind of thing you can rely on in the same way as good ol' humanity. Sure, you need to feed Cultists and make sure they don't all get eaten by whatever warp-born predator ends up sliding out of the bulkheads while in transit, but human beings also don't end up waxing and waning in numbers on the whim of local aetheric weather patterns.

 

When it comes down to it, though, always remember that the Word Bearers are Space Marines. Their numbers, wargear, physical abilities and just their plain ol' disposition means that they'll engage in a certain kind of warfare (specifically, devastating lightning strikes) more than anything else. It's what they were made to do. They may dabble in lazier forms of straightforward brutality when there's little to no resistance, but that's less about warfare and more about fun. When there's a real enemy to fight, they'll do what they were made for.

[Leonite]

Brothers! I am once more back - Uni Masters degree pretty much kept me off for the last 6 months - and am currently in what is by now a yearly vacation with family in england. And as per usual, I'm going to be getting a project here... and that's why I'm posting here, because I want opinions.

 

See, I'm going to be getting a project that, at the very least, will focus on a single character or unit. In the past this has been converting the Everqueen and her beetle into a Daemon Prince/Daemon Engine twofer, but this time it's... well, one of a few ideas, but I thought I'd present the strongest ones I have in mind here to you guys and see what you think. If you have any suggestions and the like as well. I will ideally only be going with a single project, so I wouldn't mind hearing what you guys think of these projects. I will also be purchasing these projects at Warhammer World, so Forgeworld Models ARE an option.

 

-Dark Apostle: Ok, to be fair I already HAVE a Dark Apostle in my army. Ashen Circle body, Possessed Chainsword arm and backpack, Chaos Chosen mascehead for Accursed Crozarius. But recent consideration while here has made me consider making a second Dark Apostle. While the model is currently sold out online, I was considering going for a design much in the vein of Eliphas from Dawn of War Dark Crusade - that is, a Chaos Warrior Helmet. My question is, - assuming the Dark Apostle model remains unavailable to me while I'm here - What models or parts would you guys suggest as replacements for the Accursed Crozarius. My current thought is to use the CSM Lieutenant model or the classic CSM Lord Model with axes and replace the axe head with an appropriate mace.

 

-Apostle of Iron: AKA either a Warpsmith or something Warpsmith seeming. Simply put my idea is to go for a model that kinda mixes the Warpsmith, but also blends in the religious ideals of the Word Bearers... or put them in Terminator armor. More on that below. I do already HAVE a tech looking figure, on a bike, but this is another "I feel like I could make another" situation, with the added benefit of possibly using a bike

 

-Apostle of Slaanesh: AKA a Lord or Sorcerer of Slaanesh in Terminator Armor that could mix with the above... my only issue here is that even in my army which is mostly heretics from loyalist chapters banded under one leadership, I find it unlikely I could justify using Phoenix Guard Terminator Armor to represent Slaaneshi Word Bearer Terminators and accompanying character.

 

-Gal Vorbak: This... is sorta the reverse of the above, and slightly more on topic. I like the Gal Vorback Models, I have considered using them in my Word Bearer army in the past... but they're too big to be standard possessed right? So what would I use them as, and could one be converted to a Character?

 

Thanks in advance for any comments you guys give

 

Brother Leonite of the Burning Word Lodge.

[Lord Asvaldir]

For the Dark Apostle project, there's a bunch of sets with good maces that would worked for a cursed crozius. Off the top of my head the DV chosen has one, and the chaos knights for fantasy have a bunch of good maces. 

 

Apostle of iron is a good idea, mainly because warpsmiths can't actually use bikes so you'd probably benefit from having a non biker model. I do like the plain old warpsmith model, you could probably just use him as a base and go from there. Depends what you're looking to do though. 

 

Gal Vorbak are sweet models, but definitely a bit large for possessed. I'm not sure how easy they would be to convert into characters, I've never owned them before so I don't have a great idea of what the models are actually like. 

 

My vote is for the apostle of iron project, sounds pretty interesting and I haven't seen that done before. 

[Leonite]

For the Dark Apostle project, there's a bunch of sets with good maces that would worked for a cursed crozius. Off the top of my head the DV chosen has one, and the chaos knights for fantasy have a bunch of good maces. 

 

Apostle of iron is a good idea, mainly because warpsmiths can't actually use bikes so you'd probably benefit from having a non biker model. I do like the plain old warpsmith model, you could probably just use him as a base and go from there. Depends what you're looking to do though. 

 

Gal Vorbak are sweet models, but definitely a bit large for possessed. I'm not sure how easy they would be to convert into characters, I've never owned them before so I don't have a great idea of what the models are actually like. 

 

My vote is for the apostle of iron project, sounds pretty interesting and I haven't seen that done before. 

Thank you for the comments. Admittedly I will add that the Accursed Crozarius doesn't certainly need to be a MACE head, just like how the Standard Crozarius is the imperial sigil, the Accursed Crozarius could be a Chaos one of a smaller size, right?

[Lord Asvaldir]

Yeah it could be, not sure how many chaos sigils there are that are the right size though. There's the chaos sigil from the standard chaos marines box that might do, but I think that will be a bit small. 

[Leonite]

Yeah it could be, not sure how many chaos sigils there are that are the right size though. There's the chaos sigil from the standard chaos marines box that might do, but I think that will be a bit small. 

Actually I tried that once, the one with the electronic eye, it works.

[Leonite]

Another thought, so apologies for double posting, while it might not be a Dark Apostle Rules Wise... I DO need a Chaos Lord in Terminator Armor for my WB. So my question is... what's an effective, WB styled build for a terminator? 

[Khornestar]

I don't necessarily think there is one. Any of our characters can summon, so that takes care of the daemon-calling aspect. As for the loadout, whatever floats your boat. If you wanted him to play the part of a dark apostle, then I guess a power maul would help him play the part, though IMO an axe is always the coolest option.

[Leonite]

Well I haven't HAD a Terminator Lord - bar a prototype one who I'm considering retiring. And I'm considering weither to go standard Chaos, Tartaros with conversions and such. So... I guess that's two questions that even work if I want to go with an Iron "theme"

 

-Do the Word Bearers favor any mark of armor, even back during the Heresy

-What are effective terminator lord loadouts? And Sorcerers, for that matter. 

 

Might consider something like a terminator with a half summoned demon reaching out of his back to attack those unwary. Or get a Lord and accompanying Termi Retinue... which leads to them as a question too. 

 

(I DO have a Land Raider thankfully. Just needs the EC doors replaced with WB.)

[Bloody Legionnaire]

Well I haven't HAD a Terminator Lord - bar a prototype one who I'm considering retiring. And I'm considering weither to go standard Chaos, Tartaros with conversions and such. So... I guess that's two questions that even work if I want to go with an Iron "theme"

 

-Do the Word Bearers favor any mark of armor, even back during the Heresy

-What are effective terminator lord loadouts? And Sorcerers, for that matter. 

 

Might consider something like a terminator with a half summoned demon reaching out of his back to attack those unwary. Or get a Lord and accompanying Termi Retinue... which leads to them as a question too. 

 

(I DO have a Land Raider thankfully. Just needs the EC doors replaced with WB.)

I do not know which the Word Bearers favored during the Heresy.. but thanks to the Warmasters efforts they would have had ample stock of all the advanced armors as well (just as much as any of the other traitor legions would). If it was me... I'd be modelling a Terminator Lord in Cataphractii.. 

 

Alcon, Has anyone played a game of 8th yet with their Word Bearers? I am considering using my 30k Word Bearers as my 40k Chaos Army but I really don't know which units I should and should not be using. I do know that Daemons appear to be the key to really giving a CSM army list some teeth. Are Khorne Daemons decent enough or am I going to need to invest in some others? 

[Khornestar]

I have no experience playing 8th, but I think barring Bloodletters all of the Khornate daemons are pretty good. Fast and reasonably hard-hitting. I might be missing something with Bloodletters, but they still appear to suck.

[Bloody Legionnaire]

I was just looking through the index. It appears the Hellblade has AP -3 which is pretty nice! Unfortunately on doing 1, though... Probably not worth summoning compared to Crushers. 

[Lord Asvaldir]

You'd be better off waiting for the chaos codex which should be out before the end of August before you figure out which type of units you should be using. Unless you are playing a god specific army, in particular Thousand Sons or Death Guard, there really is no unique chaos space marines armies yet. A "word bearers" army is the same thing as NLs or AL really, only difference in a NL list might focus on raptors while WB might take more cultists. Once we get our codex in hand though and see what sort of bonuses our stratagems/legion tactics give us then we can talk about making a proper WB army, which is why I am dying for the new codex to come out especially given how great the new SM one seems to be. 

[Bloody Legionnaire]

You'd be better off waiting for the chaos codex which should be out before the end of August before you figure out which type of units you should be using. Unless you are playing a god specific army, in particular Thousand Sons or Death Guard, there really is no unique chaos space marines armies yet. A "word bearers" army is the same thing as NLs or AL really, only difference in a NL list might focus on raptors while WB might take more cultists. Once we get our codex in hand though and see what sort of bonuses our stratagems/legion tactics give us then we can talk about making a proper WB army, which is why I am dying for the new codex to come out especially given how great the new SM one seems to be. 

Yeah that's the plan. That is also why I've been asking about Daemon units.. because regardless of what the codex is going to say Cultist and Daemons are always gonna be fluffy for the Bearers of the Word =P

 

Does anyone know if Gal Vorbak are available via the FW Index? 

[Khornestar]

No, they aren't. 

[MaliGn]

You could run them as counts as spawn or mutilators...

[StoneSentinels]

Here's a slightly fluffier question. Are there any good lists of colchisan runes/star charts. I was hoping that something along the line of the Nostraman runes here (http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298480-nostraman-runic-alphabet-and-numerals-font-fw-runes-too/) existed. If not is there enough runic script floating around to copy onto a large vehicle decal?

Cheers team, erm wait no I mean praise the eight, do my bidding etc!

[MaliGn]

Here's a slightly fluffier question. Are there any good lists of colchisan runes/star charts. I was hoping that something along the line of the Nostraman runes here (http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298480-nostraman-runic-alphabet-and-numerals-font-fw-runes-too/) existed. If not is there enough runic script floating around to copy onto a large vehicle decal?

Cheers team, erm wait no I mean praise the eight, do my bidding etc!

There's the fw transfer sheet (go back a page in this thread) and the betrayal at Calth transfers. But that's pretty much it as far as I know.

[TheMuumio]

I'm thinking of turning my current death guard marines to another legion due to the changes in Death Guard army list (and will just get new DG minis), and Word Bearers has been my second choice for a long time. 

 

But I've been wondering that would it look that out of place to run the army with Heresy era colours. I much prefer the additional black over the full red. Somehow I had no problems using different colour scheme on my death guard, but with Word Bearers it seems weird or something. And yes, my marines are mostly from Calth and Prospero boxes.

[MaliGn]

Always space for a bit of black on a word bearer, I dunno about running them in grey for 40k though...