++ The Dark Council - A Word Bearers Community ++

[Slave to Darkness]

Dont see why not, the Gods willed it!!

[Arven_Kar]

I have maintained a black shoulder pad on units I consider blessed above the others or more likely to be Heresy Era and not vat grown or something later on (like Terminators).

[Lord Asvaldir]

I paint black shoulder pads on all my character models to mark them out, but I see no reason why black shoulder pads across the army would be an issue, still looks pretty similar to the 40k scheme for WB. 

[El_Dicko]

Actually looks cool and sets them apart a bit from all the other red chaos warbands, I'd reckon. The First Heretic made me contemplate WB in grey, maybe some splinter group excuse...

[ChaosReigns]

For whatever it's worth, some of my guys are painted up in grey, while others are wearing the more traditional red with silver trim. I justify it by saying, if anyone cares to ask, that the Dark Apostle who leads my Host commands converts to the true faith of Chaos (ie. recently turned renegade Space Marines and freshly "initiated" reinforcements from Ghalmek) to wear the grey until they have proven themselves worthy of the crimson. From what I recall of The First Heretic, initially the red was meant to denote veteran units, or those most favoured by Lorgar, starting with the first Gal Vorbak themselves but eventually spreading to the rest of the legion. Of course, at length all of the Word Bearers threw off their old colours and embraced a far more sinister heraldry.

 

Even then though, Forge World's Horus Heresy books depict a mixture of crimson and grey for the forces at the Drop Site Massacre, and even though the Word Bearers were supposed to have completely transitioned to crimson by the Battle of Calth and the Shadow Crusade, the "official" paint job for Zardu Layak still has him wearing grey armour...

[Leonite]

Hello everyone. And behold... my newest WB Corphycus Conversion~!

 

 

Traitor Librian in Cataphractii Armor, head replaced with one of those easy to build Chaos Warriors, as is one of the Daemon's horns by pure accident. Still needs some gap filling, but this guy FEELs like he's the one Chaos Lord option I've needed to command my WB Warband.

[Panzer]

For whatever it's worth, some of my guys are painted up in grey, while others are wearing the more traditional red with silver trim. I justify it by saying, if anyone cares to ask, that the Dark Apostle who leads my Host commands converts to the true faith of Chaos (ie. recently turned renegade Space Marines and freshly "initiated" reinforcements from Ghalmek) to wear the grey until they have proven themselves worthy of the crimson. From what I recall of The First Heretic, initially the red was meant to denote veteran units, or those most favoured by Lorgar, starting with the first Gal Vorbak themselves but eventually spreading to the rest of the legion. Of course, at length all of the Word Bearers threw off their old colours and embraced a far more sinister heraldry.

 

Even then though, Forge World's Horus Heresy books depict a mixture of crimson and grey for the forces at the Drop Site Massacre, and even though the Word Bearers were supposed to have completely transitioned to crimson by the Battle of Calth and the Shadow Crusade, the "official" paint job for Zardu Layak still has him wearing grey armour...

That's a very fancy way to say "I haven't painted all of my models". :D /jk

[ChaosReigns]

Believe it or not they are (almost) all painted. Grey armour isn't a euphemism for bare plastic, at least not in this case. :P

 

If only I could say the same for my Thousand Sons...

 

On another note entirely that Chaos Lord looks absolutely sick Leonite. :D

[Leonite]

Believe it or not they are (almost) all painted. Grey armour isn't a euphemism for bare plastic, at least not in this case.

 

If only I could say the same for my Thousand Sons...

 

On another note entirely that Chaos Lord looks absolutely sick Leonite.

I will say now the helmet replacement was not easy. Word to anyone who wants to convert like that, don't cheap out and buy the Chaos Warrior 3 pack, it's an "Easy to Build" pack, better to have the variety and the options of the multipack. Because I had to chop off almost the entire back half of the head, stolling shy of the horns, and the undersection of the head to fit it in.

[CrimsonSunde]

Anyone else here hoping the rumored legion tactics for us is something more than reroll morale tests...?

[Khornestar]

Yes, but it seems more likely than not that re-roll morale is what WB are getting.

[Panzer]

I wouldn't get my hopes up.

[Slave to Darkness]

 

Believe it or not they are (almost) all painted. Grey armour isn't a euphemism for bare plastic, at least not in this case.

 

If only I could say the same for my Thousand Sons...

 

On another note entirely that Chaos Lord looks absolutely sick Leonite.

I will say now the helmet replacement was not easy. Word to anyone who wants to convert like that, don't cheap out and buy the Chaos Warrior 3 pack, it's an "Easy to Build" pack, better to have the variety and the options of the multipack. Because I had to chop off almost the entire back half of the head, stolling shy of the horns, and the undersection of the head to fit it in.

 

Good job you mentioned that, I was gonna get a 3 pack to try some Wolf Guard conversions, Ill just get the regiment box instead then. :tu:

[Leonite]

 

 

Believe it or not they are (almost) all painted. Grey armour isn't a euphemism for bare plastic, at least not in this case.

 

If only I could say the same for my Thousand Sons...

 

On another note entirely that Chaos Lord looks absolutely sick Leonite.

I will say now the helmet replacement was not easy. Word to anyone who wants to convert like that, don't cheap out and buy the Chaos Warrior 3 pack, it's an "Easy to Build" pack, better to have the variety and the options of the multipack. Because I had to chop off almost the entire back half of the head, stolling shy of the horns, and the undersection of the head to fit it in.

 

Good job you mentioned that, I was gonna get a 3 pack to try some Wolf Guard conversions, Ill just get the regiment box instead then.

 

Smart ideas. At least one of the heads would be impossible to harvest without losing the horns on the easy pack.

[Zectz]

Apparently the WB strategem is reroll summoning as well... (based on translations)

 

I just hope the Relic & Warlord trait are awesome instead. It seems based on the loyalist Codex and the recent Iron warriors article that the relics will consist of all the original ones + 1 for each Legion from the last supplement we got. Iron Warriors being the 2+ skeleton.

 

Which relic do you think/hope WB will get? I doubt it will be the cursed crozious as there are already plenty of weapons between the black mace, axe of blind fury, murder sword. The scripts could be interesting, or maybe the crown boosting auras of some kind. Will have to wait and see. Not too happy about the trait and strategem so far.

[Marshal Loss]

Crozius would be my #1 hope - hearkens back to 3.5 that way, and also means that Word Bearers can have a super Dark Apostle Chaos Lord or Daemon Prince, which they of all the Legions deserve seeing as Dark Apostles are a thing for everybody now.

[Panzer]

A Daemon Prince with a Crozius would be sick. I'd love to see such a model! 

[Lord Asvaldir]

I'd be very happy to have a cursed crozius with actual good weapon stats especially since the standard power maul stats are a bit lackluster for a combat character. 

 

I also have no issue at all with the WB legion rules. Sure it's not amazing, other legion/chapter tactics are better but reroll LD tests makes sense for WB and I wasn't really expecting much else. 

[Khornestar]

My bet is that the WB artifact is a crozius with -1 AP and +1 damage compared to a basic maul and extends the bubble for demagogue to between 9 and 12". Not complaining necessarily, but the writers aren't exactly flexing their creative muscles here. Something like what I've described seems like the most likely result.

[Lord Asvaldir]

So my dark brethren thanks to the review of the CSM codex, we now have the full rules for Word Bearers. You can find the review here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=W069dPLTXg0&app=desktop

 

Cursed crozius for sure seems like an auto include to me,  doesn't get much better than a -2ap 3 damage power maul, not to mention it's super fluffy. Just not sure if I'm going to be running in on a lord or a dark apostle more often since the lord will make a bit better use of it. Our warlord trait also seems pretty solid, regardless of if you're running a lord or apostle I'll usually be taking that. 

 

As for our stratagem, rerolling dice for summoning and ignoring the possible mortal wounds is solid, I'm just not sure how to best use summoning yet. The good part of summoning seems to be that you can bring different daemon units each game for different scenarios you need them for. However, the random dice rolls means you'll never be exactly sure you've set aside the right number of pts. Definitely need to do a lot of experimenting with that. 

[Arven_Kar]

I'm not really sure how best to build a Word Bearers army anymore. Like others have said, I'm not sure what the role of summoning is in a force of ours: most of the time it seems better to have the models on the table from the start. I get that there is flexibility there, but we don't have a ton of cheap chaff to fill the table before we use our summoning points. Cultists don't seem to hold up well, even though Tide of Traitors might mean we can march apostle-suppported cultist blobs up the table and redeploy them if they're wittled down to really hold our backfield.

 

I'm trying to be positive about the rules leaks, but maybe I'm just too inexperienced to appreciate the impact morale has or the usefulness of summoning.

 

Black Legion seems to have gotten more bonuses to blob CSM. I guess I could build an army around Possessed/Elites and cultist blobs with summoning support.

 

Also, with the loss of Bike characters, I'm not sure what to do with my conversion in Diu Ad Belli. I guess he'll just be a champion in a bike squad now.

[Khornestar]

 

Also, with the loss of Bike characters, I'm not sure what to do with my conversion in Diu Ad Belli. I guess he'll just be a champion in a bike squad now.

 

You can still use units from the index, if they weren't replaced/represented in the codex.

[Brother Aiwass]

I'm not really sure how best to build a Word Bearers army anymore. Like others have said, I'm not sure what the role of summoning is in a force of ours: most of the time it seems better to have the models on the table from the start. I get that there is flexibility there, but we don't have a ton of cheap chaff to fill the table before we use our summoning points. Cultists don't seem to hold up well, even though Tide of Traitors might mean we can march apostle-suppported cultist blobs up the table and redeploy them if they're wittled down to really hold our backfield.

 

I'm trying to be positive about the rules leaks, but maybe I'm just too inexperienced to appreciate the impact morale has or the usefulness of summoning.

 

Black Legion seems to have gotten more bonuses to blob CSM. I guess I could build an army around Possessed/Elites and cultist blobs with summoning support.

 

Also, with the loss of Bike characters, I'm not sure what to do with my conversion in Diu Ad Belli. I guess he'll just be a champion in a bike squad now.

Always pictured the WB fielding max sized CSM squads, like that:

 

http://static.keptelenseg.hu/p/771e16fabd3d4d721c1f18f3c503790c.jpg

 

Maybe BL can do it better, but 2 full CSM units that can be far away and still benefit from the lord 9" buff isn't that bad -not optimal indeed- and then fill the gaps with cultists, possessed and daemon engines.

 

This is mostly from a fluff POV so take it with salt to taste.

[Leonite]

To be honest, I... don't mind our rules changes.

 

Rerolling Morale checks? That's fluffy but it also means that anyone who wants to try to exploit morale rules with modifiers to damage units is going to be less successful, most of the time. As the guy in the video puts it, it's basically And they Shall Know No Fear added to the benefits you get from being Chaos in general... which I honestly like because putting it that way makes it sound somewhat trolly, but the whole "And they Shall Know No Fear" part was always due to strong beliefs and psychoindoctrination and faith... so why shouldn't the WB's have our own version of it?

 

And as for our ability to summon being our only CP buff? We're Word Bearers. We summon our demonic allies if we have to. The fact that it's taken out of our reinforcements instead of fresh air, but it's still fluffy and it's just the wrapping to the core of the CSM. Are we in good at close combat as the others? No, and we never aimed for it. Are we as good at shooting as others? No, and that's not what we do.We support our soldiers, we make them better, we drive them into the fevour that only the righteous have any right to claim! 

 

We are the sons of Lorgar! We are the Word Bearers! By the gods of Chaos, we may not seem to pack a punch, but think of it. With our power to summon Daemons, that doesn't just mean the standard Daemons, it also means our Warp Talons, our Possessed, Helldrakes, Defilers, that have no need to deep strike or to ride around in vehicles, points saved on transports spent on more soldiers! We are the holy tide of the Chaos Gods! And we shall not be stopped!

 

(.. in the most Word Bearery fashion I can put it: Are we the best? No. Are we the worst? I don't think so. We may not excel in close combat or shooting, but we excel in positioning and diversity, through being able to summon others with relative ease. Are you facing an anti-horde army that's tearing your cultists apart? It's time to summon out some Defiliers or Daemon Princes using a Command Point and three dice - because we re-roll and don't need to worry about mortal wounds there. Is it an anti-elite army, or one more balanced that thinks it can handle you? Summon hordes of Daemons forward and teach these lackeys of the False Emperor true fear. )

[Panzer]

You can't summon Warptalons etc.

A Daemon unit needs the Daemonic Ritual special rule to get summoned.