Jolemai Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 One of my favourite tanks. The UK's MoD is set to sign a deal to make these over the next few years. Look familiar? I guess they are taking over the contract from Forgeworld as they are no longer available Does anyone use Salamanders, or the command Salamander in their games? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296550-salamander-scout-tank-discussion/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmo Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I have always viewed the salamander as a Universal Carrier http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Carrier The one in the article still looks like the standard AFV Warrior or Bradley ( or Chimera ;)) but a little smaller and aimed at recce rather than troop transportation To answer your question, I don't have any but wouldn't mind getting one as a command vehicle for fluff reasons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296550-salamander-scout-tank-discussion/#findComment-3805591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander_Moustache Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I would say the Univercal carrier would be the centaur (especialy when it had the gun mount rule.) But I have just started using the command salamander in my games. So far, its usful for when your orders dont work as a negative 1 to a units coer save is great and has the ability to tank shock from accross the board. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296550-salamander-scout-tank-discussion/#findComment-3805616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I have encountered them a little, you pretty much get what it says on the tin. Maybe I'll get one some day - probably the command one as Elmo says :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296550-salamander-scout-tank-discussion/#findComment-3805644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatmandoo Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I have just looked the rules up for them. I think forgeworld missed a trick or two here though. Fast attack is too crowded for scout salamanders I feel though I understand why it is a FA slot. Better than a scout sentinel with AC though. The command one should have had a transport ability so it could have been a dedicated for either a CCS or a LC. Or if not having the -1 to cover should have been able to work all the time. Not like its the most threatening tank of all time. Imagine a combat CCS jumping out into combat from one of these. Amazing. ... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296550-salamander-scout-tank-discussion/#findComment-3805883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain sox Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 is it still available on the FW site?? Or do you convert it yourself. I really want one, but haven't seen it on the site for a long time Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296550-salamander-scout-tank-discussion/#findComment-3809811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 The Salamander is quite old now which is probably why it is no longer available :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296550-salamander-scout-tank-discussion/#findComment-3809866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain sox Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Boooooo! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296550-salamander-scout-tank-discussion/#findComment-3809926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 they are not that hard to convert yourself! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296550-salamander-scout-tank-discussion/#findComment-3810383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Are they just Open-Topped Chimerae with an Autocannon? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296550-salamander-scout-tank-discussion/#findComment-3810395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 How would you go about that? I'm hoping it's just a temporary removal from the website (a la the Marineburg Land Ship) given that it is an older cast these days, but it may well have made way for the Horus Heresy range. Alternatively, the Solar Auxilia have a rumoured scout tank. So maybe the Salamander is getting a new model/counts as? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296550-salamander-scout-tank-discussion/#findComment-3810397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 More akin to the Griffon really, and the command version has a heavy flamer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296550-salamander-scout-tank-discussion/#findComment-3810403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 A different thread, but I do miss the Griffon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296550-salamander-scout-tank-discussion/#findComment-3810407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 Salamander Scout TankPage 81 IAv1SE AV 12/10/10 BS 3 HP 3 1-3 Fast Attack choice Scout, Tank, Fast, Open-topped, Amphibious Autocannon, Heavy Bolter Searchlight, Smoke Launchers Usual spread of upgrades Salamander Command Tank Page 82 IAv1SE As above with the following changes: Single model, Elites slot BS 4 Heavy Flamer instead of an Autocannon (which can be upgraded to another Heavy Bolter) Auspex Surveyor - tank has Night Vision and in lieu of shooting, it can reduce the cover save of an enemy unit within 18" by 1. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296550-salamander-scout-tank-discussion/#findComment-3810418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 What rough stats did the Griffon have? I never had the old Codex sadly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296550-salamander-scout-tank-discussion/#findComment-3810425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 Griffon Heavy Mortar Carrier IAv1SE, page 162 AV 12/10/10 BS 3 HP 3 Single model, Heavy Support slot Tank, Open-topped Griffon Heavy Mortar (12-48", STR 6, AP 4, Ordnance 1, Barrage, 5" blast), Heavy Bolter, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers Accurate Bombardment Usual upgrades Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296550-salamander-scout-tank-discussion/#findComment-3810439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 here's my WIP griffon/salamander; it's rather easy, first you put paint on all the raised areas inside the "crew compartment", push some paper against it and you then have the outlines on which your platicard construction will have to fit. From that point you can make the armoured compartment in any shape you want. the floot is just another piece of plasticard made to fit http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb281/amorfatipictures/DSC_8033_zps45374bc3.jpg http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb281/amorfatipictures/DSC_8034_zpsbdf84461.jpg http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb281/amorfatipictures/DSC_8035_zps4d72a60d.jpg http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb281/amorfatipictures/DSC_8037_zps45c40359.jpg http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb281/amorfatipictures/DSC_8038_zps3e09ae0d.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296550-salamander-scout-tank-discussion/#findComment-3810489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureFodder Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Salamander Scouts are one of the best units available for IG. Outflank them to get: rear shots on vehicles, grab objectives in your opponents back-field tank shock back-field objective holders off the back of the board, get behind units to pick out heavy/special weapons, force assaulting armies to turn one or more units around to go back to deal with them, and ram vehicles in the backside from off the board edge (ramming 2 into the back end of a wave serpent who cannot jink and forcing the troops inside to emergency disembark because they can't use the hatch never gets old). I always take at least 2 in any IG army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296550-salamander-scout-tank-discussion/#findComment-3810933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Glorious :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296550-salamander-scout-tank-discussion/#findComment-3811171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 A bit of topic, but where can I find the rules for the Griffon's Accurate Bombardment? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296550-salamander-scout-tank-discussion/#findComment-3811187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmo Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I am tempted to make one now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296550-salamander-scout-tank-discussion/#findComment-3811208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kierdale Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Salamander Scouts are one of the best units available for IG. Outflank them to get: tank shock back-field objective holders off the back of the board,That alone tempts me to get some! :D Edit: didn't FW used to make a model of the Salamander? I can't find it on their website now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296550-salamander-scout-tank-discussion/#findComment-3811266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 Correct. It's even in the 2014 catalogue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296550-salamander-scout-tank-discussion/#findComment-3811274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kierdale Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Checks FW site again. Shrugs. It's not there now. Perhaps they're redoing the moulds. Anyway, as Hendrik showed, you can always make your own. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296550-salamander-scout-tank-discussion/#findComment-3811291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatmandoo Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 I emailed forgeworld and this was sadly the reply..... Unfortunately the Salamander models are not currently available. Our storage space for stock is regrettably finite and so from time to time we have to review our ranges and take the difficult decision to remove some items to make the necessary room for new items. In this instance those models were some of those and we removed them when the last of the remaining stock was sold so please accept our apologies. This does not necessarily mean they will never return but it won’t be available for the foreseeable future. We don’t currently announce when a model is removed from sale as we’ve found in the past that this creates more problems than it solves. Our stock records can take time to update and when we have announced that a product was being removed, we often received more orders than we had stock remaining. This has left us with disappointed customers before and as you can appreciate we only want to give the best service possible. We do what we feel is best for all our customers, in this case only selling items that are available and in stock. If there is anything further we can do to assist you, or if you have any queries about the information we have requested or provided, please telephone us. Regards, Forge World Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296550-salamander-scout-tank-discussion/#findComment-3812154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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