JamesI Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Well, it's now official. I'm doing either a Blood Angels or Successor battle company. I've not been this excited or willing to throw money at 40k miniatures in a long while. Might I recommend... Lamenters: Yellow isn't as hard as it used to be, and nobody does them. Angels Encarmine: Basically Blood Angels with black trim, except they paint their Sanguinary Guard and Death Company freaking white so you can do awesome freaking blood splatter effects on everything! Charnel Guard: Little know chapter, fleet based, rides out the time in-between fights in stasis to fight the Black Rage. Has great tanks (super-heavies, etc.). Gothy black and deep red theme. Awesome ornate cross chapter badge. Totally ing metal. Knights of Blood: If more people start to play this army, maybe we'll get some attention from GW... Successors are always fun Trouble is, the blood drop-wing emblem is on just about every piece of plastic I can see in these new kits. It'd be sort of like trying to make Templars out of kits covered in fist emblems. The Angels Vermillion will have hardly any trouble at all. Sanguine and Encarmine on the other hand will require a lot of converting, by replacing drops with skulls or angel wings with bat wings, respectively. Woo! It seems everyone always forgets the Angels Vermillion, nice to see the bits will work well for my marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/31/#findComment-3879913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Oh great..I have an Iyaden Wraithdar army too. ...Its like the Stars are literally Aligning in an attempt to get me to start Blood Angels... The final Decision will be made when I get the Codex though since...y'know.. student budget and all that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/31/#findComment-3879928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zynk Kaladin Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 If tearing their frail bodies in half with a chainsword is considered a trustworthy alliance then I shall call the eldar my battle brother. Hell, I'll even give them the keys to the land raider. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/31/#findComment-3879932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Lacerus Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Just had confirmation from my Fb group that BA Terminator kit goes up for pre order on the 13th. The person in question has proven to be fairly reliable with BA rumours to so I'm fairly confident in this one! I want to believe. So very badly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/31/#findComment-3879933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorre Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 If the Terminator thing checks out as well I'm going to be feeling very spoilt Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/31/#findComment-3879941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorre Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I Would really like to know if our sergeants will still be able to dual wield pistols! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/31/#findComment-3879951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pascalnz Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 just another quicky, captain Karl also has counter attack... someone missed that earlier on... he's really quite nice for the points Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/31/#findComment-3879957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 If the Terminator thing checks out as well I'm going to be feeling very spoilt Good. Because you are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/31/#findComment-3879985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitorBlack Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 just another quicky, captain Karl also has counter attack... someone missed that earlier on... he's really quite nice for the points thunder hammer without a storm shield is pretty suboptimal though, for the same reason that Dante and Astorath are currently pretty bad. If you take him in a unit of thundernators then he can sit at the back and the sergeant can take the challenges, which might redeem him a little bit. Otherwise he is a liability to protect, which really isn't great given his cost and expensive loadout. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/31/#findComment-3879986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pascalnz Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 he's a minor beatstick with a comms relay attached. if you want something different from a fortification, he's not a bad way to get it. as he has counter attack he'll grant it to his unit, so having him in a big unit of terms is pretty boss. Sure he needs a little protection but for 160 points, he's pretty great. Just don't use him as a chapter master;P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/31/#findComment-3879993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitorBlack Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 counter attack doesn't confer to his unit. Have we confirmed that his reserves re-rolls are just for his detachment or for allies as well? If not then he's not the same as a comms relay, as people use that to manipulate cross-codex synergies that require use of deployment via reserves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/31/#findComment-3879994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I don't think this has been covered yet, if it already has, apologies for the expired info. But after reading through this topic, I went ahead and visited natfka. Here's what I found (and these are rumors): "via ShadowWolf32387 on Faeit 212I thought you might want to know this. I do have the WD coming out Saturday and I can confirm to you that Sons of Sanguinius is only a painting guide in the same vein of Companies of Fenris and the ones released for Dark Eldar and Tyranids. It will still be in paperback like the others and the Sanguinary Guard edition just gets it in hardback instead. Sadly, it's not a supplement.Also, after some time with a magnifying glass, the WD preview page for Sanguinary Guard shows:165 points baseCan upgrade to 10-man for 35pts/modelAll have the "Encarmine sword" as stock, but may take an "Encarmine axe" for freeStill have FearlessLose Red Thirst in favor of Furious ChargeDeath masks are now 1 pt/model as opposed to 5 pts/modelCan still take power fists, plasma pistols, inferno pistolsChapter banner is now 5 pts cheaper The new tactical box does feature the heavy flamer and a heavy bolter. No mention of the missile launcher. And grav guns ARE in the box, meaning grav weaponry made it to the blood angels. The hand flamers and inferno pistols will still be in the codex as well since the tactical squad has them in the kit." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/31/#findComment-3879997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-beard Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 counter attack doesn't confer to his unit. Have we confirmed that his reserves re-rolls are just for his detachment or for allies as well? If not then he's not the same as a comms relay, as people use that to manipulate cross-codex synergies that require use of deployment via reserves. Normally counter attack does confer to the model's unit. Is there something specifically written into his rules that says it doesn't? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/31/#findComment-3879998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pascalnz Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 to be fair I don't have my books with me, but counter attack sure conferred to the unit in 6th, I'm pretty sure it still does in 7th but captain karl just has regular counter attack, no rules saying it doesn't transfer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/31/#findComment-3879999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 The most pertinent info for me were the details on the Sanguinary Guard edition. I don't know whether to be disappointed or relieved that it essentially comes with the codex and a bunch of art stuff. On the one hand, I was half-expecting a supplement to come with it that focused on the Sanguinary Guard or the upper elite of the Blood Angels, like Champions of Fenris. So, I'm disappointed that's not the case. On the other hand, my wallet breathed a huge sigh of relief because I will not be buying it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/31/#findComment-3880000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-beard Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 to be fair I don't have my books with me, but counter attack sure conferred to the unit in 6th, I'm pretty sure it still does in 7th but captain karl just has regular counter attack, no rules saying it doesn't transfer If it is just regular counter-attack, then yes, it would confer to any unit that he joins. Having a durable IC that can be attached to any unit and give that unit counter-attack is a very nice thing. Throw in allowing re-rolls to reserve checks and I am liking what this new character adds to the army options. This box set is really a fantastic deal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/31/#findComment-3880003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitorBlack Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Please read the rules before you make statements with any degree of certainty, especially to correct someone. "If a unit contains at least one model with this special rule, and that unit is charged, every model with the Counter-attack special rule in the unit gets +1 attack until the end of the phase." Sorry guys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/31/#findComment-3880009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pascalnz Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 a good rule to follow:), Isn't B&C just lovely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/31/#findComment-3880010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-beard Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Please read the rules before you make statements with any degree of certainty, especially to correct someone. "If a unit contains at least one model with this special rule, and that unit is charged, every model with the Counter-attack special rule in the unit gets +1 attack until the end of the phase." Sorry guys. Whoa there nellie. We're just having a discussion here. I'll admit I misread the rule, and am glad you pointed it out. You win the king of the rulebook award for today. Nice job. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/31/#findComment-3880017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitorBlack Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Everyone messes up the rules mate! Except you were asserting your knowledge (after I corrected you the first time) when you were wrong on both counts. Counter attack did not confer in 6th, and it doesn't in 7th. I found it pretty annoying! In fairness, it did confer in 5th, but it's been quite a while since those rules were in play. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/31/#findComment-3880025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorre Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 In fairness the BA forum probably isn't used to dealing with counter attack rules Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/31/#findComment-3880037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafen IX Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Let's keep the black rage in check gentlemen, your local chaplain is conducting the mass of doom Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/31/#findComment-3880043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Has there been any word about revising the Red Thirst, or is it still a 1 in 6 chance per unit for the whole game? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/31/#findComment-3880047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I don't think this has been covered yet, if it already has, apologies for the expired info. But after reading through this topic, I went ahead and visited natfka. Here's what I found (and these are rumors): "via ShadowWolf32387 on Faeit 212 I thought you might want to know this. I do have the WD coming out Saturday and I can confirm to you that Sons of Sanguinius is only a painting guide in the same vein of Companies of Fenris and the ones released for Dark Eldar and Tyranids. It will still be in paperback like the others and the Sanguinary Guard edition just gets it in hardback instead. Sadly, it's not a supplement. Also, after some time with a magnifying glass, the WD preview page for Sanguinary Guard shows: 165 points base Can upgrade to 10-man for 35pts/model All have the "Encarmine sword" as stock, but may take an "Encarmine axe" for free Still have Fearless Lose Red Thirst in favor of Furious Charge Death masks are now 1 pt/model as opposed to 5 pts/model Can still take power fists, plasma pistols, inferno pistols Chapter banner is now 5 pts cheaper The new tactical box does feature the heavy flamer and a heavy bolter. No mention of the missile launcher. And grav guns ARE in the box, meaning grav weaponry made it to the blood angels. The hand flamers and inferno pistols will still be in the codex as well since the tactical squad has them in the kit." Sim - While its not impossible, your listed Sang Guard cost is higher than their starting cost for 5 - it would be the first time this is the case. It's more likely they are 33 points each (5x33 = 165), no? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/31/#findComment-3880060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebymster Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 The wife said she'd get me everything as I have a birthday as well as Christmas coming up Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/31/#findComment-3880061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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