Duke Danse Macabre Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Ok so lets look at this a who and what we got. Buffs: 1) Army Wide Bonus to Strength and Initiative in Combat2) Dante is allot more powerful like he always should of been3) Sanguinary Guard are Cheaper4) Dreadnought Libarian HQ5) Points cost lowered in Line with other Codex (Expected)6) Sanguinary Priests are now HQ (Kinda a Buff and Nerf in one)7) Heavy Flamers in Tacticals8) Mephiston has IC9) Corbulo gets a Huge Buff Giving +1WS amd +1I Nerfs: 1) Decent of Angels no longer army Wide2) Lost 3 of our 5 Troop Choices3) Lost Fast Vindicators4) Still have not gained allot of the options regular marines have and are now the only codex without a special flyer in the Marines Faction (Even Grey knights get special rules for Storm Ravens), but no ceturions or storm talons for us.5) Character Nerfs for the most part, Mephiston, Tycho and Sanguinor6) Death Company And DC Dreads have lower Weaponskill7) Sanguinary Priests can't be fields 3 to 1 in elites any more and can not take terminator Armour.8) Land Raiders are no longer Deadicated across the whole army9) Reclusiarch To be honest, my Bigest complaints are with Priests no longer in Terminator Armour, Mephiston being nerfed though the floor less than captain level power for his still high points cost for what he brings now and the Sanguinors beduff on his saves as well. :PSuch a shame the Lord of Death which inspired such terror is not the lord of the Bad Hang Over. :( Truth be told though, i will still Run Mephiston with a Different Lore, likely Bio and put him in a drop pod with a squad.Angels will still Decend on wings of fire with or without jump packs in my army damn it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Just had some awful news... Tried to edit my order so that I could pick it up in store saturday instead of waiting until Monday (maybe) to get my SG edition (thus enjoying it all weekend) I found out you cannot. So now I have some data cards going to store on saturday and my dex and tac squad a lot later in the working week :/It is also too late to guarantee delivery to store by cancelling and reordering! EDIT: Called again, got a different person who checked if my order had gone for picking and if the store I wanted had had it's delivery yet, both hadn't happened so he sorted everything. The Emperor truly does protect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grouchyoldsailor Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 The terms and Lib are nice, but for 60 and 30 GW can keep em. I haven't bought anything new in a long time, did the terms go up in price? I know the Lib did, the characters were all around $21 US, is this just a brand new shinny preorder cost or a permanent price hike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Danse Macabre Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 $30 For the Libarian? Works out About £20 for us and we pay that now for regular Power Armoured Libarians. Welcome to 40k my Friend, there is only Inflation. Forgot 10) Death Company no longer reroll to wound unless with Astorath the Grim (Curious to see what has Happened with him myself) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Wondering does the +1 initiative on the charge as a detachment rule mean no Objective Secured? It certainly will, see below. I suspect that the special Blood Angels Detachment will look like this: No new Warlord Traits (because I doubt they'll print two Warlord charts in the same book), but... It will grant Ideal Mission Commander (reroll on the Warlord Traits table). It may also require you to roll on the Blood Angels table (no rolling on the corebook tables). Organized so as to grant more Elites than the CAD. +1 I on the charge (as we've seen). It will not grant Objective Secured. That's exactly how it's going to work, and it is no different than any of the other Faction-specific Detachments that have been released in 7e (e.g. Wolves Unleashed, Nemesis Strike Force, Champions of Fenris, etc.). Most of them have a Troops tax, but that's the price you pay to get +1 on the Initiative for every unit that charges into assault for the whole game. I'm pretty sure someone got confused with sterguard being able to take 2 heavy flamers. Normal tacticals are just 1 heavy 1 special. If I'm wrong I'll be extremely happy. That's right, it's 1 Heavy Weapon and 1 Special for Tactical Squads - the Sternguard can take 2 Heavies, I believe. could you just take the dread? No, you have to take a whole Formation as a very specific kind of special Detachment; you can't take bits and pieces from a Formation, and some (like the one referenced) require you to take a defined set of gear and weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 How do you guys plan on dealing with the overcrowded Elites slot? Take multiple Detachments. TBH, with our woeful selection of Troops options I would pretty much always go for that formation. Answers the problems with the ridiculously over stacked Elites section too. It's not a Formation, it's a Detachment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 This +1 Initiative everyone keeps talking about, is that something related specifically to the Detachment, or something else? I don't know how Detachments work, so....yeah..... In addition, is the Detachment something you only get from buying the new box set, or is it in the dex itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathstrider Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 No, you have to take a whole Formation as a very specific kind of special Detachment; you can't take bits and pieces from a Formation, and some (like the one referenced) require you to take a defined set of gear and weapons. Pretty sure that's not true; the datasheets in Deathstrom are just that: Datasheets just like the ones that are in a codex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 This +1 Initiative everyone keeps talking about, is that something related specifically to the Detachment, or something else? I don't know how Detachments work, so....yeah..... Yes. +1 I on the charge is a benefit of the new Detachment. Detachments are optional FOCs that you can apply to your army. The "classic" FOC has its new incarnation as the Combined Arms Detachment. Another kind of Detachment is the Allied Detachment. So far, 'Nids and Dark Eldar have proprietary Detachments. In a sense, a Formation is a mini-Detachment. Your army can consist of any number of Detachments that you can afford, each with its own benefit, as well as any number of Formations. The only thing you can't do is add random units - if anything on the table is not part of a Detachment or a Formation, your list is now Unbound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I highly recommend that everyone go over and read this thread: Battleforged Armies in 7th Edition - Detachments and Formations Explained. Valerian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I was curious: that relic jump pack mentioned a few pages down in this thread....what does it do exactly? Re-roll what when DS? My English isn't too bad but that sentence was kinda not making any sense to me. Can anyone explain? Thanks in advance. Snorri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I was curious: that relic jump pack mentioned a few pages down in this thread....what does it do exactly? Re-roll what when DS? My English isn't too bad but that sentence was kinda not making any sense to me. Can anyone explain? Thanks in advance. Snorri I think it is reroll the deepstrike scatter and prevents or limits interceptor fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grouchyoldsailor Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 $30 For the Libarian? Works out About £20 for us and we pay that now for regular Power Armoured Libarians. Welcome to 40k my Friend, there is only Inflation. ;) Forgot 10) Death Company no longer reroll to wound unless with Astorath the Grim (Curious to see what has Happened with him myself) Yeah I'm familiar with GW random price raises over three decades now. "I remember when you could get two rhinos in one box for $12US and you had to walk up hill in the snow both ways to play 40K and Hours was just a bunch of cells in a test tube." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remtek Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Can't say i'll miss assault marines as troops that much now considering we can run 3-4 units of Jump DC, if it's 23 points per model that's a pretty huge DC buff even if they have WS4 if you factor in detachment bonus. This will truly seperate us from C:SM. We can actually play strong jump lists now and people that want to run Razorback msu still have that option with tacticals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 This +1 Initiative everyone keeps talking about, is that something related specifically to the Detachment, or something else? I don't know how Detachments work, so....yeah..... Yes. +1 I on the charge is a benefit of the new Detachment. Detachments are optional FOCs that you can apply to your army. The "classic" FOC has its new incarnation as the Combined Arms Detachment. Another kind of Detachment is the Allied Detachment. So far, 'Nids and Dark Eldar have proprietary Detachments. In a sense, a Formation is a mini-Detachment. Your army can consist of any number of Detachments that you can afford, each with its own benefit, as well as any number of Formations. The only thing you can't do is add random units - if anything on the table is not part of a Detachment or a Formation, your list is now Unbound. Ok, so if I'm reading this and Valerian's link right, then the new detachment is a Faction Specific Detachment, added on to the usual FOC of days gone by, which itself is now called a Combined Arms Detachment. I guess that's simple enough...after reading it 7 or 8 times. But again, are the rules for this detachment available in C:BA, or are the rules only in the Deathstorm box set? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 This +1 Initiative everyone keeps talking about, is that something related specifically to the Detachment, or something else? I don't know how Detachments work, so....yeah..... Yes. +1 I on the charge is a benefit of the new Detachment. Detachments are optional FOCs that you can apply to your army. The "classic" FOC has its new incarnation as the Combined Arms Detachment. Another kind of Detachment is the Allied Detachment. So far, 'Nids and Dark Eldar have proprietary Detachments. In a sense, a Formation is a mini-Detachment. Your army can consist of any number of Detachments that you can afford, each with its own benefit, as well as any number of Formations. The only thing you can't do is add random units - if anything on the table is not part of a Detachment or a Formation, your list is now Unbound. Ok, so if I'm reading this and Valerian's link right, then the new detachment is a Faction Specific Detachment, added on to the usual FOC of days gone by, which itself is now called a Combined Arms Detachment. I guess that's simple enough...after reading it 7 or 8 times. But again, are the rules for this detachment available in C:BA, or are the rules only in the Deathstorm box set? Yes. The rules for this Detachment will be in C:BA. What Deathstorm has got is a Formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Looks like I'll be starting a dual 30k/40k Blood Angels force sooner rather than later... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 This +1 Initiative everyone keeps talking about, is that something related specifically to the Detachment, or something else? I don't know how Detachments work, so....yeah..... Yes. +1 I on the charge is a benefit of the new Detachment. Detachments are optional FOCs that you can apply to your army. The "classic" FOC has its new incarnation as the Combined Arms Detachment. Another kind of Detachment is the Allied Detachment. So far, 'Nids and Dark Eldar have proprietary Detachments. In a sense, a Formation is a mini-Detachment. Your army can consist of any number of Detachments that you can afford, each with its own benefit, as well as any number of Formations. The only thing you can't do is add random units - if anything on the table is not part of a Detachment or a Formation, your list is now Unbound. Ok, so if I'm reading this and Valerian's link right, then the new detachment is a Faction Specific Detachment, added on to the usual FOC of days gone by, which itself is now called a Combined Arms Detachment. I guess that's simple enough...after reading it 7 or 8 times. But again, are the rules for this detachment available in C:BA, or are the rules only in the Deathstorm box set? Yes. The rules for this Detachment will be in C:BA. What Deathstorm has got is a Formation. Ahhhh! It's all so clear now. What does the Detachment consist of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remtek Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I want to say 5 sherman tanks each time i look at your avatar. Here it is: Baal Strike Force Detachment:• Mandatory 1 HQ, 1 Elite, 2 Troops • Optional: as usual, but 3 additional Elite slots (Total 4) • Special Rule: +1 Initiative when charging, all the army, any turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 It's still not going in I'll have to re-read Val's post again. I'm getting too old for this Riggs! Ignore me - I think I finally understand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSauce Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Yeah the Deathstorm formation is the super specific one described in the campaign supplement (Terminator captain, termies, 5 dc, dc dread), all with exactly the described wargear (heavy flamer on the termies, etc.). That *formation* gets whatever benefits (fearless, some units get counter attack, one-round of reroll to wound). Since it's a formation you could see it along a CAD of ultramarines or imperial guard, or you could bring it with you with another BA detachment. My deathstorm box just arrived in the mail. I'm super excited to see the new codex (going to grab it digitally when it drops). The rumors have been nice to see, but nothing compared to the real thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfThunder Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 The rules for the new detachment will be in the dex(if the rumors are true) In deathstorm there's only a formation. Then apparently in exterminatus there'll be more detachments. Edit: while i was writing this i was ninjad like 5 times :) stupid tablet and its "smart" text correction... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I want to say 5 sherman tanks each time i look at your avatar. Here it is: Baal Strike Force Detachment: • Mandatory 1 HQ, 1 Elite, 2 Troops • Optional: as usual, but 3 additional Elite slots (Total 4) • Special Rule: +1 Initiative when charging, all the army, any turn. Huh..so no specifically required units, like Dante or Mephiston? Does that list mean it cannot take Heavy Support? And it can or cannot be the primary detachment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfThunder Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 3 FA and 3 HS (as usual). It's implied in the second bullet point, where the optional contents are defined. Edit: only allied detachments cannot be your primary. (Just read it under "misconceptions" in the link valerian provided :) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remtek Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Troops in this detachment are not Objective Secured, personally i don't think this a big deal. Edit: i need to recheck that, but pretty sure it's only CAD and allies that get obsec troops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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