tsijben Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Without quoting the rules: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Blood_Angels#Companies "The First Company is composed of the Chapter's Space Marine Veterans, warriors with experience forged in countless battles throughout the Imperium and trained in the use of sacred suits of Terminator Armour" Sanguinary Guard are not part of the Archangels company, so you can't take them. The rules really reflect the fluff in this one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300618-got-exterminatus-and-the-wd/page/9/#findComment-3901190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Erm. Archangels. 1HQ, 2-16 elites? I thought the Archangels units were only chosen from VV, SV, and both flavors of Terminator squad. Is that not true? Can you do 16 units of SG with that formation? (I haven't picked up Exterminatus yet because I want it in soft-cover) I dont know, Im picking it up tomorrow, but have a feeling you may be right. Nothing to stop you running SG as VV though. Worse save, but they get the power weapon for free... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300618-got-exterminatus-and-the-wd/page/9/#findComment-3901221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Nothing to stop you running SG as VV though. Worse save, but they get the power weapon for free...You also lose the angelus boltguns and the option for masks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300618-got-exterminatus-and-the-wd/page/9/#findComment-3901343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Nothing to stop you running SG as VV though. Worse save, but they get the power weapon for free...You also lose the angelus boltguns and the option for masks. The angelus have never really done much for me. The masks are great (now) but when most armies out there (in my meta) are ATSKNF, they dont mean too much. You can replicate with the fear relic, maybe? Its not a perfect solution by any means. I mean. The normal BA army has the option for 4 squads of SG. That's up to 40 of them. Do you really need more? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300618-got-exterminatus-and-the-wd/page/9/#findComment-3901465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Yncarne Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Archangels do not have Sanguinary Guard as an option. They can also field up to six Furiosos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300618-got-exterminatus-and-the-wd/page/9/#findComment-3901511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabgoi Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Erm. Archangels. 1HQ, 2-16 elites? I thought the Archangels units were only chosen from VV, SV, and both flavors of Terminator squad. Is that not true? Can you do 16 units of SG with that formation?(I haven't picked up Exterminatus yet because I want it in soft-cover) Stop by your lgs. I wanted the hard cover, but mine only got 15 of the soft cover ones delivered, and no hard cover ones. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300618-got-exterminatus-and-the-wd/page/9/#findComment-3901523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 I didn't even know Exterminatus was out in soft cover yet. My FLGS only has a hard cover. Just checked GW, see the soft cover there, thanks for the heads-up, will need to be placing an order tomorrow. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300618-got-exterminatus-and-the-wd/page/9/#findComment-3901528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Nothing to stop you running SG as VV though. Worse save, but they get the power weapon for free... Vanguard Veterans only get a free power weapon if you run them as part of the Sanguine Wing formation. Otherwise, adding any kind of power weapon will already make them more expensive than Sanguinary Guard. And besides the loss of the 2+ save, you'd also lose Fearless and Leadership 10. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300618-got-exterminatus-and-the-wd/page/9/#findComment-3901664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Haven Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Sorry, if this has been done to death but I am a little confused after reading through my Exterminatus book and this thread. I come from a DA background, so I've never used formations before as we didn't have any. Here's my question: I want to play Flesh Tearers (FT). Therefore, I can use the FT Strike Force as my Primary Detachment. (min 1 HQ, 1 Tp, 1 FA). AFAIK, I can use relics from the BA book and the ones listed for FT as it doesn't say I can't. Also, I can use BA Warlord traits or the FT ones, but I only the reroll for FT traits. If I take a FT Vanguard Strike Force, do they still get the Explosion of Bloodlust rule since they are all FT, being attached a FT Primary Detachment? I understand that rules like Red Thirst and Lead By Example are the Formation only, but would the basic rules for the detachment apply for the formation? This is what has me confused even after reading it and the BRB several times. Thank you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300618-got-exterminatus-and-the-wd/page/9/#findComment-3904399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusktiger Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 so i bought the Exterminatus iBook, since i wanted all the dataslates for the flesh tearers. here's a summary of each formation in the book, in order: Blood Angels Formations: Archangels Orbital Intervention Force 3 Terminator or Assault Terminator squads, in any combination.entire formation starts in deep strike reserve and all enter on a single roll. on the turn they arrive, they can run and then shoot. Archangels Sanguine Wing 2 Vanguard squads 1 Sternguard squad 1 Stormraven -all 3 squads must be 10 models each. -Vanguard must have jump packs. -Sternguard must start in the Stormraven -all start in reserve and enter on a single roll, which can be re-rolled. -each Vanguard model may take a single free power weapon or lightning claw each. -each Sternguard model can take a free storm bolter or combi-weapon each. Archangels Demi-Company 1 Captain or Chaplain in terminator armour 2 Furioso Dreadnoughts 5 first company squads of any combination: Terminator, Assault Terminator, Sternguard, Vanguard -Formation gains Stubborn -units with the Deep Strike rule can re-roll failed reserve rolls, and only scatter 1D6" -if this is your Primary detachment, you can re-roll the Archangels warlord trait table. The Archangels 1 Captain in terminator armour 1 Chaplain in terminator armour 4 Furioso Dreadnoughts 10 squads in any combination from the following: Terminator, Assault Terminator, Sternguard, Vanguard -formation gains Stubborn -units with the Deep Strike rule can re-roll failed reserve rolls, and only scatter 1D6" -if this is your Primary detachment, you can re-roll the Archangels warlord trait table. -you can roll for reserves on turn 1 Blooded Demi-Company 1 Captain or Chaplain 1 Command Squad (if the captain is taken) 3 Tactical Squads 1 Assault Squad 1 Devastator Squad 1 Dreadnought 1 Furioso Dreadnought -if this is your primary detachment, you can re-roll the blood angels warlord traits table result. -charging into assault gives +1 Initiative. Strike Force Mortalis 1 Chaplain 3 Death Company Squads 2 Death Company Dreadnoughts 1 Stormraven Gunship -formation gains Crusader -the infantry models gain +1 attack in assault if they're outnumbered Dante's Avenging Host Dante Mephiston 1 Librarian 1 Sanguinary Priest 1 unit of Sanguinary Guard 3 Stormravens Blooded Demi-Company - must take the Chaplain option -all units that dont have jump packs must start in the Stormravens, or buy Drop Pods -units with the Deep Strike rule can re-roll failed reserve rolls, and only scatter 1D6" -all non-vehicle units gain Objective Secured Flesh Tearers Formations and Stuff: custom warlord traits: 1 - Hatred 2 - Rampage 3 - Hammer of Wrath 4 - all friendly BA within 12" have Crusader 5 - Rage 6 - Feel No Pain Force Org Chart: 1-2 HQ 1-4 Troops 1-6 Fast 0-3 Elite 0-3 Heavy 0-1 Fortification 0-1 Lord of War Flesh Tearers Vanguard Strike Force 3 Tactical Squads 1 Assault Squad 1 Vanguard Squad 1 Furioso Dreadnought -while the Vanguard are alive and on the table, everyone gains Stubborn and ignore penalties for Disordered Charges -charging into assault gives +1 Initiative. Lysios Relief Force Gabriel Seth 1 Tactical Squad 1 Vanguard Squad 1 Baal Predator 1 Predator 1 Stormraven -formation gains Stubborn -seth and the tactical squad must start in the Stormraven, and the vanguard have jump packs -everything starts in reserve and enters on a single roll. The Defenders of the Cathedrum 1 Terminator Squad 1 Death Company Squad 2 Tactical Squads 1 Assault Squad 1 Furioso Dreadnought -Formation gains Counter-attack and Stubborn Strike Force Razorwind Lysios Relief Force The Defenders of the Cathedrum -all the perks of the 2 formations plus the following: -can roll for reserves on turn 1 -all infantry within 12" of Seth from this formation gain Fearless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300618-got-exterminatus-and-the-wd/page/9/#findComment-3904401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deschenus Maximus Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 @Dark Haven: No, detachement rules don't carry over to Formations. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300618-got-exterminatus-and-the-wd/page/9/#findComment-3904405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusktiger Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Sorry, if this has been done to death but I am a little confused after reading through my Exterminatus book and this thread. I come from a DA background, so I've never used formations before as we didn't have any. Here's my question: I want to play Flesh Tearers (FT). Therefore, I can use the FT Strike Force as my Primary Detachment. (min 1 HQ, 1 Tp, 1 FA). AFAIK, I can use relics from the BA book and the ones listed for FT as it doesn't say I can't. Also, I can use BA Warlord traits or the FT ones, but I only the reroll for FT traits. If I take a FT Vanguard Strike Force, do they still get the Explosion of Bloodlust rule since they are all FT, being attached a FT Primary Detachment? I understand that rules like Red Thirst and Lead By Example are the Formation only, but would the basic rules for the detachment apply for the formation? This is what has me confused even after reading it and the BRB several times. Thank you. Explosion of Bloodlust and Lord of Cretacia are special rules you only get if you use the alternate FoC listed for the Fleath Tearers chapter. they're perks for using that chart. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300618-got-exterminatus-and-the-wd/page/9/#findComment-3904408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Haven Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Thank you for clarifying. So, List would got something like this: FT Strike Force - Primary Detachment Gabriel Seth Chaplain Tactical Sqad Assault Squad They get the Explosion of Bloodlust. FT Vanguard force attached to these guys do not. I guess I'll have to paint something to show why 3 of 4 tactical squads have Red Thirst, but only one of them has Explsion of Bloodlust. Thanks again, I'll be posting a list later today. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/300618-got-exterminatus-and-the-wd/page/9/#findComment-3904437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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