Brother Heinrich Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 trying to build the basis for my first real foray into the Age of Darkness. Any comments, criticism, or advice would be greatly appreciated as I'd rather avoid spending hundreds on useless resin that won't help me. Thanks! HQ • Praetor - Artificer Armor, Bike, Iron Halo, Master-crafted Paragon Blade, Nanyte Blaster - 230pts Troops: • Legion Tactical Squad - 10x Marines, Sgt w/Power Sword and Melta Bombs, Vexila, Rhino - 220pts • Legion Tactical Squad - 10x Marines, Sgt w/Power Sword and Melta Bombs, Vexila, Rhino - 220pts Fast Attack: • Legion Outrider Squad - 5x Bikes - 150pts Heavy Support: • Legion Sicarian Battle Tank - Heavy Bolter Sponsons - 155pts • Legion Vindicator - 120pts • Legion Vindicator - 120pts Lord of War: • Legion Falchion Super-Heavy Tank Destroyer - Space Marine Crew - 520pts Total: 2,000 points Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301991-blood-angels-mechanized-2000pts/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athrawes Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Nice looking list. But technically, the falchion is an illegal choice. It's more than 25% of the total list. At 2000 points, 500pt on a single lord of war is the limit even a barebones falchion is 505pts. I think Forgeworld did that on purpose to keep things above Typhon size out of 2000pt games. Edit: If your heart is set on a Lord of war that's more than 25% of your list, then the only workable way to do that would be to use the optional Leviathan Force Organization Chart, with an allied detachment representing the rest of your army. However, this would limit you to only one heavy support, Fast attack and elite slot. But it is an option. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301991-blood-angels-mechanized-2000pts/#findComment-3919962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Teeth Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 You can fit a Legion Stormblade without sponsons in as it's a mere 455pts, with some points for other upgrades to spare... Any particular reason you went with a Praetor, as you don't seem to be using a Rite of War? Just as a combat badass? You might be better served with a Legion Champion, Chaplain or Forge Lord (who could fix your various tanks). You might be able to use the points saved with these units to add a third Troops choice or increase the number of bikes you have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301991-blood-angels-mechanized-2000pts/#findComment-3920462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 Ah drat, looked that up just now, must've skimmed over it. Well if I bump to 2250 I could just add another Tac squad and upgrade the Sicarian with Lascannons and give the Falchion an Auxiliary Drive, then that would be legal. Also I like the Praetor because he can take a Paragon Blade and really carve stuff up in melee (as well as getting an Iron Halo). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301991-blood-angels-mechanized-2000pts/#findComment-3921218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athrawes Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 If your looking to spend a few points and enjoy a praetor carving stuff up, I'd really recommend a command squad. The fearless bubble is SUPER useful in 30k since we don't have ATSKNF. 2+ saves and WS 5 plus maybe combat shields gives them the ability to tear through other dedicated close combat units, with a praetor they become a unit your enemy cannot ignore. I never leave home without them. Plus bike command squad would be fun to model, you know it to be true... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301991-blood-angels-mechanized-2000pts/#findComment-3921233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drippy Waffler Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Speaking of bubbles, the void shield bubble is useful if you want to save the points on shields and occasionally spread the invul save to some other units... it's an option, especially at 2000+ points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301991-blood-angels-mechanized-2000pts/#findComment-3921245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Why not use the blood angels relic? That sword is kick ass! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301991-blood-angels-mechanized-2000pts/#findComment-3921534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Why not use the blood angels relic? That sword is kick ass! True, it doesn't cost that much more than the Paragon Blade. Though you do lose Murderous Strike. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301991-blood-angels-mechanized-2000pts/#findComment-3921548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 But gain all the extra rules I think they are Soulblaze, flesh bane, fear..and something else? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301991-blood-angels-mechanized-2000pts/#findComment-3921556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 iirc, its: Soulblaze, Fear, Blind and Fleshbane Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301991-blood-angels-mechanized-2000pts/#findComment-3921559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kossaka Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 What about instead of taking the regular bikes you make them all jetbikes? they are more mobile and come stock with a 2+ save and +1 T. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301991-blood-angels-mechanized-2000pts/#findComment-3921571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 The lord of war percentage limit doesn't apply if he's playing battles in the age of darkness. If you are using the non 30k force org chart then I don't think the %25 rule applies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301991-blood-angels-mechanized-2000pts/#findComment-3921586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athrawes Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 The lord of war percentage limit applies for Battles in the Age of Darkness. Page 8 of the Crusade army list has it in a box that says "The 25% rule:" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301991-blood-angels-mechanized-2000pts/#findComment-3921603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 What about instead of taking the regular bikes you make them all jetbikes? they are more mobile and come stock with a 2+ save and +1 T. And still get a nifty little junk save for those tricky plasmas! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301991-blood-angels-mechanized-2000pts/#findComment-3921660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Also it would open up the options for : VOLKITE CULVERINS! Plasma Cannons and Multi-Meltas while having a Heavy Bolter Stock, which, if you're a Salamander can be traded in for a Heavy Flamer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301991-blood-angels-mechanized-2000pts/#findComment-3921669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted January 16, 2015 Author Share Posted January 16, 2015 Well I would run jetbikes, but this army is going to be dual purpose 40k and 30k, seeing as my group all plays 40k at the moment. Also what would be a better choice, a Sicarian or a Fire Raptor? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301991-blood-angels-mechanized-2000pts/#findComment-3922753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Oh man thats a hard one hahaha! On the Cheap, Sicarian every time. If you have the 200+ points free to run a Fire Raptor, take it every time unless theres massed anti-air. It being able to shoot 4 different targets while also having more Dakka than a Dakka Jet is nothing to scoff at. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301991-blood-angels-mechanized-2000pts/#findComment-3923005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionofjudah Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I got my Raptor preassembled- its a thing of beauty to hold in your hands- I hear getting them together is not so much beauty and more about anger management Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301991-blood-angels-mechanized-2000pts/#findComment-3923434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted January 17, 2015 Author Share Posted January 17, 2015 So taking into account what you guys have said, the discussions I've had with Flint, and my own personal tastes, here's the tentative list I want to build: HQ • Praetor - Artificer Armor, Bike, Iron Halo, Paragon Blade, Nanyte Blaster, Melta Bombs - 220pts Elites: • Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought - 2x Twin-Linked Lascannons - 185pts • Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought - 2x Twin-Linked Lascannons - 185pts Troops: • Legion Tactical Squad - 10x Marines, Sgt w/Power Fist, Vexila, Rhino - 220pts • Legion Tactical Squad - 10x Marines, Sgt w/Power Fist, Vexila, Rhino - 220pts Fast Attack: • Legion Outrider Squad - 8x Bikes - 240pts Heavy Support: • Legion Fire Raptor Gunship - Reaper Auto Cannon Batteries - 210pts • Legion Vindicator - 120pts • Legion Vindicator - 120pts Lord of War: • Legion Falchion Super-Heavy Tank Destroyer - Space Marine Crew, Auxiliary Drive - 530pts Total: 2,250 points This list makes the Falchion legal by the 25% LoW rule. The strategy is for the Tactical Squads, Vindicators, and Praetor Bike squad to advance and get into the face of the enemy, while the Falchion hammers the enemy from afar. The Contemptors provide AA cover and supporting anti-armor for the Falchion, while the Fire Raptor provides close air support for the guys on the ground. Overall it fulfills my love of bikes and armor, while still feeling Blood Angel-y at the same time. Thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301991-blood-angels-mechanized-2000pts/#findComment-3923802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I mean, I like it. I don't really see any weak points beyond the low number of bodies but with the high amount of firepower you have, it shouldn't handicap you all that much...I hope :p If you do play with this list, come back to us on how the Nanyte Blaster performs! Very Curious about that relic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301991-blood-angels-mechanized-2000pts/#findComment-3923821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted January 17, 2015 Author Share Posted January 17, 2015 Came up with an alternate 1750 list, what do you think? HQ • Praetor - Artificer Armor, Jetbike, Iron Halo, Paragon Blade, Melta Bombs - 200pts Elites: • Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought - 2x Twin-Linked Lascannons - 185pts • Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought - 2x Twin-Linked Lascannons - 185pts Troops: • Legion Tactical Squad - 10x Marines, Sgt w/Power Fist, Vexila, Rhino - 220pts • Legion Tactical Squad - 10x Marines, Sgt w/Power Fist, Vexila, Rhino - 220pts Fast Attack: • Legion Skyhunter Jetbike Squad - 6x Jetbikes, 2x Volkite Culverin - 260pts Heavy Support: • Legion Sicarian Venator - Lascannon Sponsons, Auxiliary Drive - 240pts • Legion Vindicator - 120pts • Legion Vindicator - 120pts Total: 1750 points Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301991-blood-angels-mechanized-2000pts/#findComment-3923999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 ...Thats actually pretty brutal for 1750; the only super heavies you're likely to encounter at that points level will be knights so keeping the venator safe will have to be priority #1. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301991-blood-angels-mechanized-2000pts/#findComment-3924004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted January 17, 2015 Author Share Posted January 17, 2015 ...Thats actually pretty brutal for 1750; the only super heavies you're likely to encounter at that points level will be knights so keeping the venator safe will have to be priority #1. Thats what the contemptor Body Guards are for ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301991-blood-angels-mechanized-2000pts/#findComment-3924022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I personally like the Jetbikes with Culverins as a semi MEQ / Horde solution due to S6 and Deflagrate. They'll also make for nice Objective Cappers where applicable. Not to mention the Preator being a TEQ unit with the Speed of a Jetbike. However, the prior low body count qualms still exist. Hopefully you'll be able to manage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301991-blood-angels-mechanized-2000pts/#findComment-3924027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted January 18, 2015 Author Share Posted January 18, 2015 I personally like the Jetbikes with Culverins as a semi MEQ / Horde solution due to S6 and Deflagrate. They'll also make for nice Objective Cappers where applicable. Not to mention the Preator being a TEQ unit with the Speed of a Jetbike. However, the prior low body count qualms still exist. Hopefully you'll be able to manage. Yeah its a risk, but historically my armies have always been light on troops and done alright by compensating with firepower :) Regardless, I like the feel of this force now and I still have an awesome tank I can name 'Fury' (really this is the only factor that matters lol) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301991-blood-angels-mechanized-2000pts/#findComment-3924168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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