Hesh Kadesh Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 +100pts-+160pts isn't exactly what I'd call "cheap". They are fringe benefits if taken, sure, but require a bit of work to get on target. And further unit taxes to ensure it hits... I see where you're coming from for that, but I disagree. That "accuracy" tax comes from other units costs. In regards to shooting at targets in LoS, well, them's the breaks for Barrage weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I haven't done much listbuilding and I've done zero playtesting with SA, but lasrifle sections and tactical command sections seem like choices you might just be taking just because you need to fill out your HQ/Troops - so I would have assumed you would just have them anyway. There are other options for taking nuncio-voxii in the SA list, though, for similar prices as those in the LA list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 You still need to pay for those costs. Just because a cost is included within an initial cost doesn't make it free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I thought Shatter Shells were unique to the Achilles and the Achilles Alpha. Nope. Rapier Battery can take Quad Mortars. Quad Mortars come with both Shatter and Frag Shell. No stipulation this is not the case, or specific to the Achilles LRs. Prior to LACAL, Shatter Shells were only for the Achilles Alpha. I think that this is simply an editing error in LACAL - where the Achilles Alpha specifies that it comes with both frag and shatter (and in its fluff, Shatter Shells are rare and unique to it), the Rapier and Achilles entries just carry on as if shatter doesn't exist. The entry in the back of the book lists frag and shatter as available ammo types for the quad mortar, so people assume that the Rapier and Achilles automatically have access to them. Maybe they do, and this was a quiet buff to those two units in LACAL, but I find it more likely that they simply forgot to specify that those two units are frag only (since when their unit entries were first made and published, Shatter shells didn't even exist). I sent an email to FW to see if they can clarify that. Probably won't hear back till Monday. Did you ever receive a reply about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 I thought Shatter Shells were unique to the Achilles and the Achilles Alpha.Nope. Rapier Battery can take Quad Mortars. Quad Mortars come with both Shatter and Frag Shell. No stipulation this is not the case, or specific to the Achilles LRs. Prior to LACAL, Shatter Shells were only for the Achilles Alpha. I think that this is simply an editing error in LACAL - where the Achilles Alpha specifies that it comes with both frag and shatter (and in its fluff, Shatter Shells are rare and unique to it), the Rapier and Achilles entries just carry on as if shatter doesn't exist. The entry in the back of the book lists frag and shatter as available ammo types for the quad mortar, so people assume that the Rapier and Achilles automatically have access to them. Maybe they do, and this was a quiet buff to those two units in LACAL, but I find it more likely that they simply forgot to specify that those two units are frag only (since when their unit entries were first made and published, Shatter shells didn't even exist). I sent an email to FW to see if they can clarify that. Probably won't hear back till Monday. Did you ever receive a reply about this? Nope. Also, Space Engineers has kind of consumed my soul for like the last two weeks, and I've been too busy making space ships to give 30k more than a passing thought here and there. X3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 FW published HH4, which has both Shatter and Frag Shell for all the thudd guns. In my mind that makes it a strong indication that its intentional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstalker Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Got a reply today. Hi *****. Quad Mortars of any type can now fire both Shatter and Frag shells. If there is anything further we can do to assist you, or if you have any queries about the information we have requested or provided, please telephone us.Regards, Forge World So, looks like it was one of their stealth buffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Of all the things which didn't need it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Lol are they AP3 for the shatter shells too? Or is that just the Achilles Alpha? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Lol are they AP3 for the shatter shells too? Or is that just the Achilles Alpha? Pretty sure all forms of Shatter Shells are Ap 4 even the one on the Achilles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Lol are they AP3 for the shatter shells too? Or is that just the Achilles Alpha? Pretty sure all forms of Shatter Shells are Ap 4 even the one on the Achilles. The Alpha profile I believe lists it at AP3 but I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Not been AP3 for awhile now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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