Convinced! Need help with Night lords

[ThatOneMarshal]

Hello brothers of the past. So recently in a thread on the templars subforum some heretic named slipstreams planted the idea in my head of playing 30k. I've been under a lot of emotional duress what with my dog versacii eating choclate and being in the vet with her, family issues, school, and the Seahawks losing the Super Bowl. My doctor has been telling me that I need something non stressful and relaxing for me. He recommended so that I don't have to much stress and have a heart attack I start something new like a hobby. I told him about 40k and he was explaining to me to start a new army that I can assemble slowly.......

So that has brought me here to the wonderful age of darkness boards. I would like to ask a question is the horus heresy worth it? Is it fun? What's it like? What's the playstyle like? How do the legions do against regular 40k armies? How do they do against mechanicum and solar auxilia because there's a guy with that force at my gaming club. Is playing 30k like playing a 40k space marine army just with slightly different rules? Are the list cookie cutter by that I mean there's only one way to play the army if you want to win. Are the legions represented well? Is it balanced internally? If I play a certain legion then do I have play in a particular fashion and skip out on other stuff like run world eaters and everything must be melee?

I'm sorry if that's a lot of question but the Horus heresy is pretty damn expensive I want to make sure if it's worth it. The heretic slipstreams has shown me that he is persuasive so I must say this convince me to join the heresy! More question to follow sooner or later.

[GhostMalone]

Okay to start off with,

Slipstream is an instigator first and foremost.

Secondly go patriots.

finally 30k is a well balanced and versatile gaming system that utilizes multiple different lists, thanks to the RoW and different force organisation charts your able to pretty much anything, yes there are a lot of snowflake/glasshouse units but ultimately every legion has its pros and cons, you can utilize auxillia and mech to fill these deficiencies and they pretty much all work in symbiosis with one another.

 

There is still the occasional jerk lists but most people who are into the heresy are more in it for the love of the hobby then to win. I re com end thoroughly researching each unit FoC RoW and Legion rules as you may get hobby ADHD like say myself the hydra bloodbath slipstream Atia flint BCK etc etc.

 

Look into every heresy thread you can and you will see were all supportive whether traitor or loyalist and any idea can be used; tech savy world eaters, child soldier SoH, aerial specialist fists, bloodthirsty ultras.

 

Anything and everything goes the universe is a big place after all.

 

Just take it easy and find one thing you like and roll with it

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

You might also check out the pinned thread at the top of the forum, The Legion For You which is full of all kinds of helpful suggestions where people just like yourself wanted to get in on the Heresy and didn't really know where to start or trying to pick that one (or two, or three) Legion to settle on.

 

Welcome to the Age of Darkness forum and don't hesitate to ask us anything. :)

[Slips]

I'm surprised my legion isnt the Word Bearers with the amount of preaching I do :P

 

That said, the above two posts are pretty good starter points. Use 30k more as a relaxing fun/fluff > Competitive outlet for Warhammer than say, 40k, which tends to be more competitive.

[simison]

I'm not perhaps the best advisor since I've only played one 30k game with an official legion, but from my experience throughout is that 30k is better balanced than 40k. It's also just as fun though the playstyle is a little different. Morale is something you need to keep an eye on since ATSKNF is nowhere to be found. On the other hand, we get a lot more cool gadgets to play around with.

 

Also, that advice you gave me about that upcoming game against the Templars? Well, it's finally about to happen this week.

[Slips]

Also, the Chance to field Dorn and Sigismund, as a Black Templar, Imperial Fists, Crimson Fists or other sons of Dorn in the 41st Millenium, is, to me, worth every second of it. The sheer Terror Sigismun inflicts when you challenge with him an a poor sod has to attempt to survive and the cringing the opposing player does is a bit too much fun :P

[simison]

Also, the Chance to field Dorn and Sigismund, as a Black Templar, Imperial Fists, Crimson Fists or other sons of Dorn in the 41st Millenium, is, to me, worth every second of it. The sheer Terror Sigismun inflicts when you challenge with him an a poor sod has to attempt to survive and the cringing the opposing player does is a bit too much fun

Irvin confirms this.

[Carlson793]

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Quick Con/Pro list that I went through...

 

Con

• Forge World Prices - Good bit pricier than standard 40K. You're not gonna field a 30K from one simple bundle purchase.
• Reputation - Forge World/30K rules are believed by many to be overpowered (not necessarily true).
• 'Limited' Factions - You're not gonna find Necrons, Eldar, or other xenos factions. Mind you, with 18 Legions, Solar Auxilla, etc. there's still a lot of variety.
• These Aren't The Marines You're Used To - Oh, have no doubt: these are the Emperor's Angels...just not the ones you'll find in Codex: Space Marines. ATSKNF? Nope. Combat Squads? Nah.

Pro

• Forge World Models - Generally, they just look better.
• More Than Mk VII Armour - In 40K, Mk VII is the standard. In 30K, Mk VII is not to be found, while older Mks are everywhere.
• Primarchs! - C'mon, you know you wanna run a Primarch
• Everything Turned Up To 11 - Multiple Dreads or Rhino-based vehicles per FoC slot. Tac squads that start at 10 marines. Taking multiples of weapons and vehicles that are one-only Relics of the Armoury in 40K
• Unique Units - Not just between 30K and 40K, but also between Legions. Salamander Pyroclasts. Justaerin Terminator Squads. Palatine Blade Squads. Templar Brethren. Each Legion has at least one unit only available to them.
• Tighter Rules - Yeah, it's basically 40K rules, but there seem to be a lot fewer conflicts between rules. And rules that are unique to 30K mesh with the base rules without the amount of conflict you see from a new 40K Codex release.
• Nearly Every Model Can Be Used In 40K - While there are a few exceptions, going 30K does not mean you'll be unable to play a 40K Space Marine Chapter...assuming you play a Loyalist Legion. Mind, you may need to break out IA2E2 to use some units, but the Spartan you run for your 30K Firedrakes is available for your 40K Salamanders as well.

[Daemon2027]

Where's the heresy train pic?

 

Welcome to the heresy brother (and am also gutted about the seahawks). I think everyone else has good advice. Just remember 30k isnt as rigid as 40k can be, each legion is really diverse so they can be what tou want them to bem

[Ramell]

Part of the ship...

[Hesh Kadesh]

 

• Tighter Rules - Yeah, it's basically 40K rules, but there seem to be a lot fewer conflicts between rules. And rules that are unique to 30K mesh with the base rules without the amount of conflict you see from a new 40K Codex release.

I disagree with this, but the rest of what was said is pretty spot on.

[Frostmourne]

Couple pieces of advice. 

Listen to everything Slipstreams Says. He is always right. Mostly. And very helpful 

Secondly, start thinking about what Legion you would want, now, as some people have been on this site for a year and still dont know which to collect and end up collecting drips and drabs. 

If you havnt already, start reading the BL HH books, as they are they best and most awesome way to immerse yourself into the Era. 


But overall, dont try and think about the "Game" so much. If youre playing 40k alot with this army, it will just feel like a more complicated and more difficult to play Codex army. 

Its when you statr playing 30k that the armies come into their own..

[DuskRaider]

Do you want to play 30K? Good, you're convinced.

 

Are you shying away from playing 30K? Shucks, you're not convinced.

 

Not really sure how anyone on here can convince you to do one thing or another. I will say that the rules for 30K are MUCH more balanced than any of the slop GW puts out for 40K. I outright refuse to play 40K anymore (although restarting my Orks is tempting).

[Brother Heinrich]

Where's the heresy train pic?

 

Welcome to the heresy brother (and am also gutted about the seahawks). I think everyone else has good advice. Just remember 30k isnt as rigid as 40k can be, each legion is really diverse so they can be what you want them to be

 

On it.

 

[Castiel]

I'm surprised my legion isnt the Word Bearers with the amount of preaching I do

That said, the above two posts are pretty good starter points. Use 30k more as a relaxing fun/fluff > Competitive outlet for Warhammer than say, 40k, which tends to be more competitive.

We shall call you Erebus from now on. For always swaying people to the Dark side.

On topic though, take the plunge, you won't regret it! Any particular legion in mind or do you want a hand picking?

[KJB]

Welcome to hell, there is no escape

 

Good luck choosing a legion, I've been trying for 3 years...

[Millicant]

I think 30k lines up very nicely with the goals you've laid out. I find it to be very relaxing and generally more low-key than regular 40k.

 

For me this is due to several reasons:

- Slower purchasing cycle. I am building up my forces in a much more slow and methodical manner, taking the time to enjoy each hobby project. This is because it is a bit more expensive, but also because I like the models so much that I'm more keen to take my time on the hobby rather than just get the models finished to play.

- Fluff focus. The Horus Heresy is all about the stories, fluff, and theme. Lists are built around battles or themes rather than with the intent to beat other lists. I find this very welcoming and relaxing. I don't need to fret about what is "good" only what fits the theme that I have chosen.

- Variety. You can do anything. All the Legions had access to all the gear. From Raven Guard tank companies to World Eater gunlines, it all goes.

 

I think starting a 30k army would be relaxing, especially if you remain a part of the Age of Darkness forum here on the B&C. It's a great bunch with generally the right attitude.

[depthcharge12]

As for if they do well against AdMech or Auxilia armies, the answer is yes and no. You have plenty of weapons for dealing with either, but they too have lots of AP3 weapons at their disposal.

 

The IF list is one of the top tier armies at the present, so it should be very forgiving to a starter. +1 BS on all bolter weapons, tank hunter heavy weapons squads, terminators that can take storm shields, assault cannons (only 1 of 2 legions that can), and can deep strike.

 

Not to mention both Sigismund or Alexis Polux that are extremely good at the moment.

 

If you want to run 40k Templar tactics, that's not a problem! Put Siggy and a squad of 9 templars in a land raider and take despoiler squads (guys with ccw + BP) mounted in raiders too.

 

As for World Eaters, there's nothing forcing you take all ccws - however, their buffs affect cc quite a bit.

 

The legions are all pretty balanced (and by that I mean there's no 2++ rerollable Deathstar shenanigans or Taudar firing lines) and do require some tactical planning to take on enemies rather than point and click.

 

I think a good starting list (aim for 2000 points and work there, this is the point level that feels like 1500 for 30k) for you would look like this:

 

Sigismund

 

10 Templar brethren

+ Solarite gauntlet, combat shields, Spartan DT w/flare shield

 

5 cataphractii terminators

+ storm shields, assorted gear, plasma blaster, deep strike

 

Deredeo dreadnought

+ Aiolos missile launcher

 

20 man tactical squad

+ true grit (bolter/BP/ccw), sarge w/power sword, artificer armor

 

20 man tactical squad

+ true grit (bolter/BP/ccw), sarge w/power sword, artificer armor

 

Sicaran

+ lascannon sponsons

 

 

That should run you to 2000 points or a little over, but keeps the model count low and gets you familiar with the game while able to pack a punch.

[jeremy1391]

Pssshhh you think you can just walk in here and join the heresy?

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Lol just kidding do it! Spend all your monies on sweet sweet resin

 

Part of the ship part of the crew....

 

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[Larkyn]

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I'm partial to this picture.

 

Welcome aboard the Heresy Train, picking Legions is the hardest thing to do. I've chosen to go with several, with focus going on two or three and the others as "support".

[Slips]

 

 

I use it a lot but its appropriate :p

[Ordo Machinum]

1/092015.M3

 

That picture should also read "The Heresy Train Has No Tracks".

 

Yes, it is the time of "HERESY". It is history. It has happened.

 

However, as we have come to learn... so many details and events have been "forgotten" or simply left unknown to so many in the 10,000 years forward to the Imperium in 40,000.

 

You can read the Horus Heresy novels, listen to the audio books, read all the myriad pieces of fluff and history from the Big Black Volumes from Forge World.

 

You can find a piece of the history and make it all your own. You can forge an army and make it entirely unique and all your own.

 

We are LEGION! Listen to the daemon inside your heart. Listen to the hero inside your soul.

 

Listen to the voice inside your mind that sees the enjoyable challenges all of these unbound creative paths may take you.

 

Besides, it is already too late. You have chosen. You know it. We know it.

 

It is just a matter of time before you show yourself what you can really do.

 

Welcome.

[Krikey]

I've been under a lot of emotional duress what with my dog versacii eating choclate and being in the vet with her, family issues, school, and the Seahawks losing the Super Bowl. My doctor has been telling me that I need something non stressful and relaxing for me. He recommended so that I don't have to much stress and have a heart attack I start something new like a hobby.

30K is a good theory .. until you realize just how much you've spent a year into your new hobby. Make sure your nitroglycerin is at hand.

 

~K

[GhostMalone]

Here's most 40k players in a nutshell

 

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[Relict]

A word on the potential cost of amassing a 30K army.

 

Yes, it can get expensive when you decide to go all-out and amass yourself a 3500-point force led by the Primarch of your chosen Legion right off the bat. I know because this was exactly what I did one year ago. Money aside, it is a daunting task to model and paint that army to a standard you will be happy with throughout your stay with the hobby. 

 

There are techniques and subtleties in building an army and painting each miniature. These things can only be experienced, not taught. 

 

A few suggestions I would offer:

 

- Get yourself paperback copies of the opening trilogy to the Horus Heresy series. This is a minimal investment but it sets the mood for the hobby. 

- If you liked the above, get the two red books that Forge World offers. They give you access to the general Legion army list and let you get started on building your force. 

- Instead of buying your model all in one go, do them in batches. You can, for example, start with a minimal Zone Mortalis force. Branch out as your modeling and painting skills/confidence grow.

 

Welcome to the ship.