Convinced! Need help with Night lords

[Doghouse]

I'd say read a few of the novels first to get a feel for the era.

 

The downsides of the Heresy stuff to me are the cost and the lack of variation. But if you plan your army right you can get a 30k army that you can use in 40k too.

 

It can restrict creativity a bit I find now, 40k is pretty much anything goes where as heresy is more of a fictional historical game in many respects. You also have to consider whether you are doing this for gaming or a painting project. 

[ThatOneMarshal]

Just got $400 for my birthday....

 

http://i.imgur.com/dW5pA.jpg

 

Looks like I'm definetly going to order a tactical squad or a strike force. I just have to figure out what armor type I'm going to use. I'm leaning towards mk 3 but mk 4 looks just as good. Also just got false gods its pretty good so far. 

[Brother Dallo]

I have to say, I approve of that image. I may be wrong, but I think you're getting Word Bearers? If so. I'do suggest Mk III over Mk IV. Everyone seems to do Mk IV Word Bearers, because they got re supplied by Horus, but they'd still have other marks. I don't think I've ever seen Mk III Word Bearers, so they'd be reasonably unique.

 

That said go wih what you like. There's nothing to say that you can't mix and match marks once you have a few.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Dallo

[ThatOneMarshal]

@brother dallo I actually haven't figured out what legion doing yet but I'm considering word bearers right because I love the idea of fanatical religious zealots in power armor. But good to know about legion armour. I'm going with mark 3 right now because I love the crusader appearance of them.

 

That bring me to the next question legion vehicles. Do you have to use the forgeworld vehicles patterns? Are the games workshop patterns not produced yet like the armor marks for marines? Also terminator armor is the the GW terminator armor available or is it just the forgeord pattern? Also do the catchpratti and Tartors have diffrent unique rules or are they just cosmetic changes?

[Slips]

Tartaros is the same as 40k : 2+/5++ Relentless, etc. Just a cosmetic change.

Cataphractii is, however, 2+/4++ Slow and Purposeful.

Indomitus (GW plastic) is ok for use in 30k just mind the Crux Terminatus for "historical accuracy" - beware the Crux too on Tartaros Terminator Armor for there are 2 Versions.

 

Most GW plastic vehicles are fine for use in 30k such as the Predator. However, AFAIK, Storm Talons, Storm Ravens, LR Crusade/Redeemer (and the more obscure variants such as the Hyperios) aren't allowed because they haven't been invented yet.

 

 

Edit: I'm so used to typing out Storm Eagle over Storm Raven that I made a boo boo

[Relict]

You can use the GW Rhino in 30K as well. It is referred to as a Mars pattern - the FW Rhino is the Deimos pattern. Both are perfectly serviceable. 

[ThatOneMarshal]

So I finally figured out the legion for me, the Night lords. So my question now is where to start. I'm planning on buying the red books and later massacre for fluff about Night lords. Is it worth it to get conquest with the books? It seems to not have much fluff about Night Lords but does it have anything else? I was thinking with going with a mk 4 strike force. Is there a good list for starting? I was thinking of going a bit more on the hoard side to maximize a talent for murder. Is the new consul that forge world came out with worth it with the special Row. 

[Slips]

The best use for a Delegatus is for games where you want to run 1k Lists with a RoW or smaller more elite lists. While this list hasn't been updated a while, if you check out the lists people came up with, it should give you a general idea as to his supposed use : http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303510-the-delegatus-30k-lists-for-smaller-games-and-starters/?hl=delegatus

 

Now, if you want to abuse the ever-loving-crap out of Talent for Murder, alongside a compulsory HQ, a Praevian with Castellax (who count for 3 models for TforM) meaning a squad of 5 + Praevian count as 16 Models.

 

Next, you could maximize on Terminators, Night Raptors, Bikes and Jetbikes to have as many Buky/Large units in your list to make the most use of the rule.

 

Beyond that, if you can get a more precise Idea of what you want to run, that might help focus your purchases and list building.

 

Book 4 is mostly Solar Auxilia and Knights. It has a few Legion Relics, Missions and stuff but if you aren't an OCD collector who used to play Pokemon, then you probably dont need it.

[infyrana]

For lists, take a look through the Heresy army list section, there are hosts of Night Lords army lists in there for you to review and select something that resembles what you personally would like to purchase and field.  It's a costly arena with resin models, so make sure you're going to be happy with it, if you chose Night Lords for a reason, make the most of it and find lists that match it to see what's optimal.  When you're there, post up an idea list and let others rip through it for you before you commit.  Mk4 armour is a good choice for NL's imho, you could use the older older sets for characters or heavies, support and the like.

[ThatOneMarshal]

I like the idea of an army that tries to get up close with close shooting and then assault. I like terror assault but I don't know it feels a bit restricting. Can night lords be good without that particular row the only lists I saw on the army list section is terror assualt based. I was thinking is a rapid assualt army. Take sevater and terror assualt. Have sevater come in with a drop pod and infiltrate the three into place the. Use sevaters warlord trait to infiltrate a squad. Basically use sevaters master of altranentar to deeptsrike a termi squad next to him. Aim for a turn two charge. Another list would be a veteran heavy list with delegatus. Though I don't know if terror squads would be better than veteran squads. I really like the idea of large tactical squads, contemptors, night raptors, kurze, sicarian, fire raptors, and terminator squads. Also ordered the books today whooooo!

[helterskelter]

The advantage we get from terror RoW is quite useful, and you can always min max the terror squads. However you can create your own story and play in whichever fashion you desire. Curze is a troop muncher and can put up a semi decent primarch fight if you use hit and run in a savvy fashion. But if you want more than one heavy support best not to use the RoW.

Terror squads have preferred enemy infantry and precision shot, so mass volkite vs infantry blobs can get interesting, plus you still get a bolt pistol and ccw so combat isn't an issue. Also have infiltrate.

Veteran squads get a special rule of your choice, have access to a very mobile missile launcher as well as power weapons and such.

In the end its up to how you want to play and what units you like

[ThatOneMarshal]

So it seems like with legions list it's mostly the world is your oyster. That's a nice change from 40k. Are there any units to avoid in the dex?

[Tychii]

Everything pretty much has its uses, just some things are really overcosted.

Assault squads are hyper overcosted, and rotor cannons are pretty terrible.

But, you are correct in that you can find space and space for almost everything in the book.

[Palak]

Assault squad are overcosted, period. But I found that they make some of the best use of talent for murder rule and wounding on 3 make them so much better. Put a chaplain for more fun if you want ;)

[Tychii]

But for the same price as 10 assault marines, you get 10 raptors. Only difference is thT one is a troop. Only time to use them would be 100% jump pack list, use them for troops and round it out with Raptors for target saturation.

And that still feels quite weak overall.

But again, still can be used. Honestly only rotor cannon squads really pop out to me

[Memento Of Prospero]

considering the legion choice, the title should read "Convicted!" not "Convinced!".

[ThatOneMarshal]

So today I saw a nice big box arrive at my house and got really excited... It was my dogs flea and ticks meds. You don't know tr disappointment I had. So I'm looking a forgeworld I was thinking a mk 4 strike force bundle, two sets of night lords shoulder pads, and a terror squad helmet set. I don't know what to add however. Maybe a contemptor or deredo? I have no clue. Also should I make the twenty marines into a terror squad or should I keep them as tacticals? I was thinking about going with maybe a night lords siege army. Conn Earman gave me a cool idea down in the legion for you thread. I was wondering how are breacher squads? I like the idea of a breacher squad with their shields showing trophies of judgment off as a scare tactic. Shame that assault squads are so expensive.

 

Also I was looking at the praevian as my main hq till bigger games where I can have a praetor but it seems that he is a supporting officer :(. Is there a good generalist hq to have while your not using the praetor?