ShadowSwordmaster Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Okay. So we know thatthe scorpion, prior to his death arngrim valten and guaire amalasan belongs to it. Do we want more? Like a high council or the tableround? Maybe twelve to honour the source material? And who else.would belong to it? Every lord of light? The.master aothecari, master of techmarines, master of the fortress? Master pariah? Who else? This inner Circle is it like the deathwing? I like the idea of this being the roundtable for the Wardens of Light. We can include all of the high ranking officers in the legion if you want, but I like the 12 from the source material. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/36/#findComment-5024065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted March 3, 2018 Author Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) - Arngrim Valten Master of Blades (Terran) - Míkhál the Scorpion(Caerbannog) First Warden – Nosonsêr- 22th - Llwch Llenlleawg(Caerbannog) - Heddwch - 100th - Kelenteil (Terran) – The Source of Light - 44th - Guaire Amalasan (Terran) - Cervantes de Leon (Terran) - Dumah de Leon (Terran) – Sword of Light - 66th - Bors (Caerbannog) - Sêrgolau - 55th - Nalesee'an Adjahar (Terran)– Springtime of Youth –1337th - Gwalcmai (Caerbannog) - Cyfnos - 88th - Gilgalad (Caerbannog) - Wawr - 99th - Bedwyr(Caerbannog) - Moragh (Terran) - Avalon (Legion Fortress) - 363th We have to cut some from here and add the master of apothecary and the master of tech. Who else? Master of pariah? Master of the navigation? What roles do i forget? Edited March 3, 2018 by MikhalLeNoir Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/36/#findComment-5024138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vairocanum Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Nice start on these, even from such early stages it's shaping up very nicely! Definitely looking forward to seeing you complete these guys! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/36/#findComment-5024152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSwordmaster Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Master of Pariah is one that needs to be in. From that list, I would cut Bewyhr, Gilgalad, and Bors from that list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/36/#findComment-5024247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted March 3, 2018 Author Share Posted March 3, 2018 Bedwyr is togheter with Voskott Moragh master of the fortress. You would axe 3 caerbannogii. So all 3 new members should be caerbannogii as well to keep the balance. How established are the chaplains already? Fluffwise a master of meditation could be part of the 12 as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/36/#findComment-5024254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSwordmaster Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) What are all of the ranks of the legion? I am having trouble finding them. I think we should prioritize in having the high ranking in the Glarmoragi. Edited March 3, 2018 by ShadowSwordmaster Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/36/#findComment-5024261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Damn, the dynamism in that squad is awesome. Good work dude. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/36/#findComment-5024275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 How early should Guaire appear in the Legion's history? ShadowSwordmaster 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/36/#findComment-5024330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSwordmaster Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 How early should Guaire appear in the Legion's history? Close to the start from what information that I got from Mikal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/36/#findComment-5024354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted March 3, 2018 Author Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) Yap. Guaire is the origina first legion master. And the ranks are somewhere.in this thread^^. I go search them later Edit t #56 MikhalLeNoir Posted 25 October 2015 - 07:52 PM +FRATER DOMUS+ + FRATER DOMUS + 4,477 posts 0 warning points Location:Caerbannog Faction: XIth Legion Wardens of Light Gender:Male Here the ranks of The Wardens of Light: (from top to lower ranks) Primarch First Warden(Praetor Rank) Blade Master(Duelist (no command rank) Lord of Light ( Highest Command Rank except for the first Warden) Chamberlain of Light (Legion Master Rank) Master of the Fortress ( Responsible for the creation and preparation of new Wardens) Bearer of Light ( Chapter Master Rank) Disciple Of Light ( Captain Rank ) Senior Warden of Light (Veteran) Warden of Light ( standard marine) Child of Light( Scouts/ new Wardens) Apothecary and Techmarine Ranks will come with an update. maybe someone has an idea for the techmarines? A, and concerning fleet master: the chamberlains and the bearers of light are all fleet masters. the navigator would be just master navigator, senior navigator, navigator and noob^^ Edited March 3, 2018 by MikhalLeNoir Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/36/#findComment-5024413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSwordmaster Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 I think we can use the Inner Circle as reference. The Glamoragi would at least be made out of the Frist Warden, Blade Master, Lords of Light, Chamberlian of Light, Master of the Fortress, Master of Meditation, and Master of Pairah. We can rotate between different Chamberlains when they die or put into a dreadnaught. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/36/#findComment-5024424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 So he's the only Legion Master before Gwal? I'm wary of doing that with too many Legions. He should be safe, as only Lawrenz is known to me in that situation as well as Guaire. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/36/#findComment-5024491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted March 4, 2018 Author Share Posted March 4, 2018 No really. When the Apostles get butchered during the first rangdan xenocide it was Guaires Hybris who let them there. He was severely injured, lost his legs and one hand and his pariah powers awakened. Guaire stepped down from command. The early pariahs were sealed away until needed as they were nit able to control their powers and Endangered their brethren. So he was the first but gave the command to others. It was nit before Gwal who integrsted the pariahs properly into the.legion that Guaire fpund forgiveness. Guaire can't even control his powers.with the mask on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/36/#findComment-5024513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Fair enough Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/36/#findComment-5024546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted March 10, 2018 Author Share Posted March 10, 2018 Nice start on these, even from such early stages it's shaping up very nicely! Definitely looking forward to seeing you complete these guys! You know...I hate painting. Want ti sculpt again^^. Damn, the dynamism in that squad is awesome. Good work dude. Thx mate. Good to see you working on your Night Lords again. And to celebrate the 450 post (yay!) a little artwork done by czar from deviantart. A few wardens holding their ground against a waaagh Vairocanum and Kelborn 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/36/#findComment-5028933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 I think we can all summarize this fantastic artwork and your expert modelling skills with the last thoughts of that Ork in the lower left: HOLY S- (head cut off by Warden of Light) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/36/#findComment-5028941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted March 10, 2018 Author Share Posted March 10, 2018 I think we can all summarize this fantastic artwork and your expert modelling skills with the last thoughts of that Ork in the lower left: HOLY S- (head cut off by Warden of Light) Hehe, thad made me laugh^^ And thankee-sai Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/36/#findComment-5028944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 “When a murderer stands over the bodies of your kin and makes plain his intent to spill more blood, you do not hesitate to cut him down. Anasem has made himself a kinslayer, but you, Lord, would have me heed his sophistry and stand back as he adds billions of mortal lives to the tally. If that truly be your word and you wish me to play the spectator to this treason, then consider me your son no longer.” - Mikhal the Scorpion, the Conclave of Kamulat ShadowSwordmaster, simison, Hesh Kadesh and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/36/#findComment-5029326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted March 10, 2018 Author Share Posted March 10, 2018 So, we thought to shake some things up and change a bit. So when the Gwal and the Wardens flee the onlsaught and send the distress call to every warden fleet most meet on caerbannog for analyzing the situation. While some want revenge and others argue they waited too long, Gwal emerges and decides that this war is not their war and that the wardens of light stay out of the fight. That a civil war is not what they were meant to fight. However nit all wardens back this Decision. The scorpion makes is shocked as he had seen the evil if travier. Saw how arngrim valten stayed behind to buy them time so that they can save their primarch. Saw the wardens vessels crashing inti the eagle warriors fleet to safe their primarch. And now they should stay aside and wait things out? This would shame every sacrifce made that day and so he leaves and about 20k follow him. Over time and with ongoing events like the slaughter of the Shepherd s and the blood crusade big chunks break away from those loyal to Gwal. The legion bleeds out. DoR we have 157000. About 25k got killed. On the way back to caerbannog we lose for ease of counting 2k all around the galaxy. So we have 130000 marines. 20k leave with scorpion. After the slaughter of thr shepards we could lose 20k and the blood crusade and chaos incursion asks for another 25k. Which leaves Gwal with 65k. However thanks to the masses of refugees he is able to rebuilt some forces so he may be at 80k at the end if the insurrection. Do the numbers seem realistic? How many astartes can we produce in 20 years? When do the conklave happen? Where would the Grey wardens fight? Ideas for heroic deaths? Painful defeats. ShadowSwordmaster 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/36/#findComment-5029388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSwordmaster Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 I think those are realistic numbers for how blood the is. Although, I wonder what the numbers are for the other legions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/36/#findComment-5029990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vairocanum Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Wow fantastic artwork! Looks like some very nice conversion inspiration, maybe for a future Armies on Parade? I know exactly what you mean by wanting to keep sculpting instead, so many ideas I wanna try. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/36/#findComment-5030010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 Somewhere deep in this subforum is a post with all legion numbers. I think the Halyon Wardens had about 250k and the Lightning Bearers are close in Numbers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/36/#findComment-5030034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 I believe it is in the General Discussion thread. Don't if in both or just in one of them. Predators number around 140K, divided into 14 Tribes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/36/#findComment-5030041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) Wow yeah the Legion size post is pretty old by now. But yeah Ist & Vth are the largest legions at 250k roughly, and most legions sit around 150-200k. That being said the numbers look fine to me; as for Neophyte numbers, so a new generation takes about a year during the crusade to make, so depending on the number of recruitment sources I don't think 1000-2000 with a decent base is unreasonable. Per generation that is. Edited March 12, 2018 by Chief Captain Redd Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/36/#findComment-5030074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 So it is more than likely that the initial losses of the DoR can be at least half qay compensated Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303402-xith-wardens-of-light-destined-to-be-forgotten/page/36/#findComment-5030096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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