Khornestar Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 I had a friend suggest that no one would want to play me if I ran my juggernaut list, and I feel like it's not crazy especially against 30k lists. Anyway, I'm at 2434/2500: KDK CAD: HQ: Lord: Mark of Khorne, Juggernaut, Sigil of Corruption, Goredrinker, Lightning Claw D-Thirster TROOPS: Cultists x8 Cultists x8 FAST ATTACK: Spawn x5: Mark of Khorne Spawn x5: Mark of Khorne Spawn x5: Mark of Khorne GOREPACK 1: Bikers x3: Mark of Khorne, 2x Meltaguns, Melta bombs Bikers x3: Mark of Khorne, 2x Meltaguns, Melta bombs Bikers x3: Mark of Khorne, 2x Meltaguns, Melta bombs Bikers x3: Mark of Khorne, 2x Meltaguns, Melta bombs Flesh Hounds x15 Flesh Hounds x5 GOREPACK 2: Bikers x3: Mark of Khorne, 2x Meltaguns, Melta bombs Bikers x3: Mark of Khorne Bikers x3: Mark of Khorne Bikers x3: Mark of Khorne Flesh Hounds x5 Flesh Hounds x5 Flesh Hounds x5 Flesh Hounds x5 There we have it. My rationale is that MSU is the best way to play KDK, and bikers are not so resilient that lots of shooting coming from armies like 30k Mechanicum, 40k Tau, etc. will wipe out 5 (or more) just as easily as 3 in many situations. Therefore, my best bet is to limit the amount of damage they can deal. I have very little AP2. Spam of attacks is the name of the game, really. Thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306021-blood-for-the-blood-god-daemonkin-community/page/38/#findComment-4663927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloody Legionnaire Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 You could run a list very similar to that and still satisfy the requirements of a Slaughtercult so my question is... why are you not running a Slaughtercult? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306021-blood-for-the-blood-god-daemonkin-community/page/38/#findComment-4664004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 You could run a list very similar to that and still satisfy the requirements of a Slaughtercult so my question is... why are you not running a Slaughtercult? No, I'd have to take 2 units of troops and a unit of possessed, and I'm not a fan even though the formation bonuses are good. And only 2 units of spawn. Just don't really like it, and my list is all about using my juggernauts. Also, I forgot to include the D-thirsted that's in the list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306021-blood-for-the-blood-god-daemonkin-community/page/38/#findComment-4664042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeresyBeliever Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 That's a lot of Spawn in that list. What is a spawn 40 points each? Scrapping 2 units would clear enough points to fill those troop slots. I with the others a slaughter cult and then 2 gore packs would be better for you. If you are trying to spam attacks then have the bonus of giving everything more attacks and feel no pain would help you out no end. The possessed in a rhino will get in the action pretty quick and you may surprise yourself with what they can do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306021-blood-for-the-blood-god-daemonkin-community/page/38/#findComment-4664313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I don't want to fill the troop slots, is the thing. I love my army because it's made of juggernauts. Juggernauts as spawn, dudes riding juggernauts as bikers, and of course, the juggerlord. The list commentary I'm looking for is whether or not it's cheesy, not so much how good it is. I know it isn't "great." I do appreciate the concern, though. I realize the Slaughtercult is good, just not my thing. At any rate, here are 3 more skullcrushers: Dude 1: http://i.imgur.com/PhTlTdLh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/1ktJLL6h.jpg Dude 2: (Forgot to paint his axe, and need to touch up the red): http://i.imgur.com/z0TMZQHh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/A1T8puch.jpg Skull Champion: http://i.imgur.com/vP9hlREh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/AGSGZDHh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/my54eCJh.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306021-blood-for-the-blood-god-daemonkin-community/page/38/#findComment-4664831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Dude I just want you to play games. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306021-blood-for-the-blood-god-daemonkin-community/page/38/#findComment-4664896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Rofl, me too, dude. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306021-blood-for-the-blood-god-daemonkin-community/page/38/#findComment-4664931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeresyBeliever Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 I personally don't think its cheesy and well worth a play. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306021-blood-for-the-blood-god-daemonkin-community/page/38/#findComment-4665213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luthorhuss Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 I played highlander campaing at my ocal store. My list was: 1600pts Kdk cad Juggerlord axe,fist,sigil,skull helm of khorne D-thirster 8 cultist 8 bloodletter 15 hounds 4 bikes2xmelta+melt Helbrute Soul grinder with phlegm Allied detachment Alpha legion Sorcerer3xlevels,fist,familiar,sigil and the mindveil 5xcsm in rhino I won 2 games lost 2 snd played 2 ties. I had lot of fun playing it. I rolled for telepathy for shroud and invis. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306021-blood-for-the-blood-god-daemonkin-community/page/38/#findComment-4666687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Nice. I'm glad you had fun with them... I'm seriously contemplating making a Highlander list for my KDK army as Thousand Sons just really aren't working there. I have quite a bit of work ahead of me though if I actually did it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306021-blood-for-the-blood-god-daemonkin-community/page/38/#findComment-4668116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Word Bearer Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Hmmm, is a Bloodletter horde list any good? Just spamming as many bloodletters as possible and overrun your enemy's non-vehicle units? Edit: Whoops! Meant Bloodletter rather than Bloodthirster! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306021-blood-for-the-blood-god-daemonkin-community/page/38/#findComment-4668164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
miteyheroes Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 I'm contemplating running a Bloodthirster Hoard (the Goreguard from Blood Oath: An'ggrath and 8 Thirsters...) Not sure it'll be that good, but should be fun for Apocalypse! Sadly my side won't just be Bloodthirsters, there are a couple of other players along. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306021-blood-for-the-blood-god-daemonkin-community/page/38/#findComment-4669676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Question for you Venom... Do you think those 'daemon' (AoS?) kits you buy your Bloodcrusher conversion material from would be the best place for me to make a new Lord on a Juggernaut? I'm thinking of doing a new one but am contemplating something plastic instead of the Finecast type I see on the website (very old one- I used it as the base for my current Lord) Hmmm, is a Bloodletter horde list any good? Just spamming as many bloodletters as possible and overrun your enemy's non-vehicle units?Edit: Whoops! Meant Bloodletter rather than Bloodthirster! I would say in common play it would certainly be fun, but I wouldn't consider that to be too competitive otherwise. But definitely fun to try! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306021-blood-for-the-blood-god-daemonkin-community/page/38/#findComment-4669965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Word Bearer Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how to make it work currently. The lack of AP2 on Heralds or Bloodreapers is rather annoying, but the Skull Cannons having S8 means that anything can be dealt with so long as it has a reasonable AV, as well as allowing everything to charge into terrain at initiative. Soul Grinders can be swapped in to be used for AA fire if necessary. Actually it might be a good idea to use one or two to try and punch vehicles to death. The Posessed tax on the Slaughtercult is a little annoying as well, since that's 150 points of non-Bloodletters. Oh well! I've been reading up on the differences between this codex and the Chaos Daemons one and I'm wondering if it might be better pulled off with that codex, since their core Khornate formation looks pretty nice to me and the rewards table sounds pretty cool, though the Warpstorm and Daemonic instability tables sound weird. On the other hand, KdK has the Blood Tithe table and Fearless, which allows a whole slew of bonuses. I've written up a first draft of my current list, what do you think about it? 1500 Blood Host ++Slaughtercult++ -Herald, 55 +Greater Loci of Fury Total, 75 -2xBloodletters, 80 (160) +Bloodreaper +Instrument of Chaos +Banner of Blood Total, 115 (230) -Posessed, 150 ++Charnel Cohort++ -Herald, 55 +Greater Loci of Fury Total, 75 -2xBloodletters, 80 (160) +Bloodreaper +Instrument of Chaos +Banner of Blood Total, 115 (230) -Flesh Hounds, 80 -Bloodcrushers, 135 -4xSkull Cannon, 500 1475 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306021-blood-for-the-blood-god-daemonkin-community/page/38/#findComment-4670054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 I think that looks like a cool fun list. I will say the Psychic phase will mess with you pretty bad.... I'd put that Brazen Rune on one of your Heralds. The Hounds are a fantastic tie up unit. For anti AP2 this is where you either decide to heck with it and go with weight of numbers (a lot of competitive meta's don't even touch them now there's so much access to AP2) So you can take that chance on the field of battle or you have to invest in something that may change your plan a bit... Daemon Prince? Lord with Axe of Khorne? Bloodthirster (They won't live long enough though.) Those would be things I'd ask you to consider. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306021-blood-for-the-blood-god-daemonkin-community/page/38/#findComment-4670074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Word Bearer Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 I rewrote the list to see if I'd like it better like this. Has a lot more Bloodletters, which I like. Also has AP2 and anti-tank and anti-air thanks to the Soul Grinders. The Blood Throne denies on a 3+, which is nice. 1500 Blood Host V2 ++Slaughter Cult++ -Blood Throne, 130 +Collar of Khorne +Greater Locus of Fury +The Brazen Rune Total, 180 -8xBloodletters, 80 (640) +Bloodreaper +Banner of Blood +Instrument of Chaos Total, 115 (920) -Posessed, 150 ++Engine of Destruction++ -2xSoul Grinder, 135 (270) +Phlegm Bombardment Total, 165 (330) Total, 1430 Dunno what to do with the last 70 points. Maybe swap out the Brazen Rune for the Blade of Endless Bloodshed and some other filler upgrades? Edit: Just realized that I screwed up the point costs. Need to fix the list. And go to sleep. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306021-blood-for-the-blood-god-daemonkin-community/page/38/#findComment-4670214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Question for you Venom... Do you think those 'daemon' (AoS?) kits you buy your Bloodcrusher conversion material from would be the best place for me to make a new Lord on a Juggernaut? I'm thinking of doing a new one but am contemplating something plastic instead of the Finecast type I see on the website (very old one- I used it as the base for my current Lord) I prefer the Skullcrusher kits because they have the saddles built in. Some folks use the armored legs that the kit comes with, and they're by and large decent. Because I'm a crazy person I must use Thunderwolf cavalry legs because the riders "should" be wearing power armor. My original juggerlord is on a bloodcrusher juggernaut (no saddle) and sorta standing on its back with his foot hooked under a little metal ring. I think this type is better if you don't want the lord sitting on a saddle. As for the fine cast kit, I prefer plastic to resin, so I'd pass personally. It's perfectly suitable, but if it were me I'd build the lord from kitbashed parts entirely, as I don't really like the AoS Khorne kits for 40k. Any ideas what sort of pose/armaments you want for him? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306021-blood-for-the-blood-god-daemonkin-community/page/38/#findComment-4670594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 So the AoS kits have a saddle? The new plastic one? Or am I mistaken? As far as mine... I wanted to do a new one with just a Khorne Lord sitting on a Jugg, but with a better Chaos Space Marine armour.... a cool, bit axe (of course), and a cool, but very Khornate, decorative head piece. The one thing I did do right was I chose a fist/brass knuckle piece from an AoS model and I find it can be 'counts as' powerfist, or 'counts as' just a close combat weapon. (there is the odd game I put a dual weapon load out and need something that could stand in as a fist.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306021-blood-for-the-blood-god-daemonkin-community/page/38/#findComment-4670656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Word Bearer Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Alright, rewrote the list by removing the Bloodthrone. 1500 Blood Host V2.1 ++Slaughter Cult++ -Herald, 55 +Greater Locus of Fury +Collar of Khorne +Ichor Blood Total, 95 -8xBloodletters, 80 (640) +Bloodreaper +Banner of Blood +Instrument of Chaos Total, 115 (920) -Posessed, 150 ++Engine of Destruction++ -2xSoul Grinder, 135 (270) +Phlegm Bombardment Total, 165 (330) Total, 1495 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306021-blood-for-the-blood-god-daemonkin-community/page/38/#findComment-4670775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 So the AoS kits have a saddle? The new plastic one? Or am I mistaken? As far as mine... I wanted to do a new one with just a Khorne Lord sitting on a Jugg, but with a better Chaos Space Marine armour.... a cool, bit axe (of course), and a cool, but very Khornate, decorative head piece. The one thing I did do right was I chose a fist/brass knuckle piece from an AoS model and I find it can be 'counts as' powerfist, or 'counts as' just a close combat weapon. (there is the odd game I put a dual weapon load out and need something that could stand in as a fist.) Sounds cool. Here's the Skullcrushers kit, does come with the saddle built in: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Khorne-Bloodbound-Mighty-Skullcrushers However, the rider's pelvis is built into the saddle, so you'll have to either cut it out (what I prefer) or cut legs in a way that looks convincing, if you don't use the stock kit: http://i.imgur.com/UOLHHwe.png Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306021-blood-for-the-blood-god-daemonkin-community/page/38/#findComment-4670797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 ah okay... .I've been thinking "Blood Crushers" when you say "Soul Crushers" . I get it now... but wow that's a lot of work. I really, really hate putting models together. I would like to do this but at least now I know the box I have to buy. Thank you. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306021-blood-for-the-blood-god-daemonkin-community/page/38/#findComment-4670803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 NP! Skullcrushers = mortal riders, Bloodcrushers = bloodletter riders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306021-blood-for-the-blood-god-daemonkin-community/page/38/#findComment-4670806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Word Bearer Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I keep hearing about how Bloodcrushers are bad, but they don't seem that bad to me? I dunno, comparing them to regular Bloodletters, +2W, +2A, and +1S and T seems pretty good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306021-blood-for-the-blood-god-daemonkin-community/page/38/#findComment-4671065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Very easily killed with high strength shooting. Really, IMO the issue is just that they're way too expensive. Their stats are decent enough. Lack of upgrade options for the daemons in Daemonkin also sucks, but such is life. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306021-blood-for-the-blood-god-daemonkin-community/page/38/#findComment-4671186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeresyBeliever Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Any units of bloodletters, you should pay the 5 points to upgrade the leader IMO. This way when they die in combat you get another Blood point. 5 of them is 25 points for another 95 points of bloodletters (when summoning in you can have the leader and a banner if you have the models) You only lose when you are getting shot at but just put them at the back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/306021-blood-for-the-blood-god-daemonkin-community/page/38/#findComment-4671687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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