Remus Ventanus. Posted May 18, 2015 Author Share Posted May 18, 2015 So CCW armed Tacticals with a few Rhinos (maybe a few Proteus LR to shake things up), with swift vehicles in reserve to plug holes or rush weakpoints (Those Suzerian could be a good fit here), and a multi-use super-heavy acting as a core. Solid, man. I like it. In that case, I'm thinking a Fellblade could be a winning ticket here, perhaps screened by two conversion beamer Predators. It has enough mobility to keep up with your fluid lines, yet the reach and power to hammer anything flat that might be irritating you, and quad-las ain't nothing to shake your head at when it comes to killing armor. Of course, in the end, it's your call, man. Don't forget OOP models as well. They usually go for really cheap, and with a little work and some greenstuff.... You can come up with some crazy stuff. I think this dude cost me a dollar, and I basically just added bits that fit him well. Taa daa, a cheap mini with character that fits the theme. I need to train on using greenstuff. Tried it with some of my 40k minis and failed horribly, but practice makes perfect I'm really on the fence about starting an Ultramarines force for heresy, once I've wrapped my head around the theoretical tactica, so I wish you good luck for your force ! Based on the limited information we have from the other thread, I'm really liking how we can see the premices of the Codex Astartes philosophy for the Ultramarines in their Legion Astartes rules. First, they have a proto version of ATSKNF which means they will rally relatively safely although losing a turn. Next, we have all the synergies between units in the forms of rerolls. What that makes me think of on the tabletop is obviously concentration of fire but with a twist. The math may not be right, but to me it screams of the following discipline : 1) Open up on target with high quality (high strength, low AP) shots from fire support elements (probably heavy support and tactical support squads) 2) Once the target has been "marked", take advantage of the rerolls to wound for weapons that usually wound on 4+ or something. It might be tempting to "mark" targets for heavy hitters to do their job well, but I'm pretty sure you'll get more mileage for rerolling bolter fire from 10 Tactical Marines than rerolling 5 Plasma guns. 3) For the assault phase, "mark" a target with an Assault Squad (jump packs or bikes), then jump in for the kill with Tactical Marines. ____ Speaking about the Ultramarines' tactical flexibility and the comments that it doesn't show as much in the Legiones Astartes rules compared to let's say the Alpha Legion, I think the XIIIth has a hidden gem in the form of Roboute Guilliman and their ROW. Rather than buffing units in different fashions, both actually allow you to "play during your opponent's turn". The Master of Signals will make it complicated for ennemies going for the alpha strike by Infiltrate or Deep Strike thanks to the protection bubble from his Cognis. The ROW allows you to buff your units in the opponent's turn thanks to Counter Attack and Snap Shots at BS2 which is quite big (with the rerolls to run being used as a last minute imho). ____ Like the OP though, I'm not particularly convinced by Roboute (and that makes me sad) He's a decent all rounder for sure but I'm not particularly convinced about his army buffing capabilities. Preternatural Strategy is nice and fluffy (and the challenge aspect is pretty fun) but I really fail to see the point for the special rules he gives. It really feels like they want you to spam tanks with him, because : Tank Hunters is redundant with the Legiones Astartes bonus to rerolls to pen, most units will probably be scoring if you take the Ultras' ROW, and Interceptor is a bit redundant with the Masters of Signals you would likely take with the Legion ROW (still better though). His rules are perhaps more interesting than I'm seeing right now though, so up to you guys to help with the analysis I'm just not really seeing the point of the buff, and not really feeling the spam of support units it implies... One of the reasons i want ventanus is he seems to be a fantasitc buff for "team play" which is what im all about. Plus after reading know no fear 5 times i kinda have a thing for him :D I really hope FW gives his model the legion standard..... Yeah, I'm very excited about the potential uses of Intercept – grav-cannon Rapiers will put the kibosh on any sneaky shenanigans. Even Legion Tactical squads with Intercept will really boost the damage they can kick out against reserve-heavy armies. I think Preternatural Strategy encourages an army to have multiple flexible multi-use units (like Legion Tacticals) rather than lots of specialists, and I can't think of a more fitting way to reward players for taking those iconic core units. Apologist himself! Love your ultramarine army. Your "mark of calth" re make was fantastic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307780-the-xiii-legion-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-4047721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Welcome Brother of Ultramar! It seems that the XIII are finally getting a decent following I look forward to seeing which way your army goes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307780-the-xiii-legion-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-4047877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted May 18, 2015 Author Share Posted May 18, 2015 Welcome Brother of Ultramar! It seems that the XIII are finally getting a decent following I look forward to seeing which way your army goes Thanks you! Yes i have been a follower of Guilliman since the beggining 10 years ago. I have survived all the hate we of the XIII receive and have embraced the blue and gold. I do feel know no fear has done a great job of quieting down the dislike for the ultramarines however! In fact, that novel, which i have read 5 times, is my main reason for creating this army! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307780-the-xiii-legion-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-4047899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 I think their rules are pretty good but not groundbreaking :) they are good in a balanced sort of way and Guilliman really adds to them. The only units I worry about are the JP guys and the Suzerain. The Sues (HAHAHAHA you saw it coming!!! :P) are brutal with a ++, ap2 at I, and artificer armor. I hope they're pointed heavily because they do a terminator's job better than they can except with less ++. But that's acceptable considering the AP and the ability to sweep. A squad of nine of them plus a praetor in a land raider will do wonders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307780-the-xiii-legion-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-4047959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Sorry to derail the thread. At first I thought it was to be a joint operation between the World Eaters and the Ultramarines some time before the Heresy. Did such an operation exist? It could look good. White and blue CC units and blue and white ranged units. I believe that some sort of joint operation, at company level at least, had taken part in the past. The opening scene in know no fear was about a pair of captains from the two legions meeting and they knew each other well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307780-the-xiii-legion-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-4048000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Sorry to derail the thread. At first I thought it was to be a joint operation between the World Eaters and the Ultramarines some time before the Heresy. Did such an operation exist? It could look good. White and blue CC units and blue and white ranged units. I believe that some sort of joint operation, at company level at least, had taken part in the past. The opening scene in know no fear was about a pair of captains from the two legions meeting and they knew each other well. No, that was the Ultramarines and the Word Bearers, not the World Eaters. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307780-the-xiii-legion-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-4048004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Sorry to derail the thread. At first I thought it was to be a joint operation between the World Eaters and the Ultramarines some time before the Heresy. Did such an operation exist? It could look good. White and blue CC units and blue and white ranged units. Both Legions took part in the Cleansing of Arrigata. During that campaign Guilliman had witnessed the savagery of the World Eaters first hand, and it was mentioned at some point that he meant to confront Angron about it, but then the Heresy happened. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307780-the-xiii-legion-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-4048015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted May 18, 2015 Author Share Posted May 18, 2015 Im really tempted to put some of the praetor heads on a mk 2 torso..... Did anyone else notice that the suzerians have mk 2 torsos and mk 3 legs? I thought that looked fantastic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307780-the-xiii-legion-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-4048029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nookie Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Are you going to buy Guilliman? He's definitely one of the best primarch models released, and his rules look pretty epic so far from what I have read...welcome to B&C btw lol. Btw I would definitely start thinking of different lists at varying point levels so that you can plan on ways to expand as you go along, just a thought Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307780-the-xiii-legion-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-4048050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted May 18, 2015 Author Share Posted May 18, 2015 Are you going to buy Guilliman? He's definitely one of the best primarch models released, and his rules look pretty epic so far from what I have read...welcome to B&C btw lol. Btw I would definitely start thinking of different lists at varying point levels so that you can plan on ways to expand as you go along, just a thought I will one day for sure, but ventanus is my favourite character in all of 30k/40k. Plus he is one sexy beast :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307780-the-xiii-legion-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-4048056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nookie Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Hahaha, fair enough, can't wait to see his model, but I'd definitely take the advice of some of the other players on these forums and consider a 2k point list to start if you can. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307780-the-xiii-legion-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-4048088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Sorry to derail the thread. At first I thought it was to be a joint operation between the World Eaters and the Ultramarines some time before the Heresy. Did such an operation exist? It could look good. White and blue CC units and blue and white ranged units. I believe that some sort of joint operation, at company level at least, had taken part in the past. The opening scene in know no fear was about a pair of captains from the two legions meeting and they knew each other well. No, that was the Ultramarines and the Word Bearers, not the World Eaters. :) I was close. All the lesser legions look the same to the perfect warriors of the Emperor's Children. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307780-the-xiii-legion-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-4048121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazzy Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Im really tempted to put some of the praetor heads on a mk 2 torso..... Did anyone else notice that the suzerians have mk 2 torsos and mk 3 legs? I thought that looked fantastic Yes! Which is great considering my army is damn near entirely Mk 3. The new upgrades were hard to swallow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307780-the-xiii-legion-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-4048154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 I need to train on using greenstuff. Tried it with some of my 40k minis and failed horribly, but practice makes perfect I had two great leaps of progress in using greenstuff; the first was using a proper lubricant for my tools (olive oil in my case), and the second was clay shapers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307780-the-xiii-legion-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-4048178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 I second everything BCK just said. If your out of olive oil water can be used. You can even use a bit of spit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307780-the-xiii-legion-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-4048206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted May 18, 2015 Author Share Posted May 18, 2015 Im really tempted to put some of the praetor heads on a mk 2 torso..... Did anyone else notice that the suzerians have mk 2 torsos and mk 3 legs? I thought that looked fantastic Yes! Which is great considering my army is damn near entirely Mk 3. The new upgrades were hard to swallow. I love mk 3 legs and mk 2 torsos....i may do some some marines like that, which would make sense, as many ultramarines did wear mk 2, and during the underworld war, may have opted for more reinforced legs. I need to train on using greenstuff. Tried it with some of my 40k minis and failed horribly, but practice makes perfect I had two great leaps of progress in using greenstuff; the first was using a proper lubricant for my tools (olive oil in my case), and the second was clay shapers. Thanks for the tips! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307780-the-xiii-legion-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-4048270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 My UM were going to be all MkII and III, but then they brought out the upgrades for MkIV... So I'll have a sprinkling of that in there. I'll see what they look like on MkII and III legs/bodies etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307780-the-xiii-legion-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-4048756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 At the minute my Ultramarines are going to be a mix of armour types. I have 6 veterans/tactical marines built in MK4 and I have 10 Breachers to put together as MK3 and then I'll sprinkle in some MK2 and see what happens :P I have the Praetorian upgrade set too so might mix that in across the board. MK2 is my favourite for Ultramarines by far though - MK2 looking reminiscent of late Roman armour fits so well :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307780-the-xiii-legion-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-4048767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 I second everything BCK just said. If your out of olive oil water can be used. You can even use a bit of spit. Water doesn't really do much, and you really shouldn't lick your paintbrushes or sculpting tools. I just nab a little oil from the kitchen a couple of times a year. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307780-the-xiii-legion-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-4048792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionofjudah Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 What brand of clay shapers do you use BCK?? Remus- venantus is one of my favorite characters from the heresy as well. If i didn't dislike painting blue so much I would join the brothers in building a XIII army, instead as a true sadist, I chose to enjoy painting yellow Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307780-the-xiii-legion-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-4049096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pounder Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 As mentioned earlier FW stuff can be ruinously expensive. My approach is to mix parts from GW and Forgeworld you'll be amazed how much it brings the price down. Looking forward to seeing some of your models! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307780-the-xiii-legion-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-4049126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyCrow Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 As mentioned earlier FW stuff can be ruinously expensive. My approach is to mix parts from GW and Forgeworld you'll be amazed how much it brings the price down. Looking forward to seeing some of your models! This is actually a very interesting idea ! What parts do you usually mix ? Do you feel it takes away from the look ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307780-the-xiii-legion-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-4049199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landrick Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Yes could you please elaborate Jud? I have been thinking about this very topic. It is so hard to justify paying 147USD for a MKIV squad with full legion upgrades that then leaves me with 10 useless heads/torsos. It seems so much more affordable to buy the standard Tactical kit and add in legion upgrades (clocking in at about 86USD). Especially considering all the extra bits and weapons you will have when its done. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307780-the-xiii-legion-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-4049248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pounder Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 As mentioned earlier FW stuff can be ruinously expensive. My approach is to mix parts from GW and Forgeworld you'll be amazed how much it brings the price down. Looking forward to seeing some of your models! This is actually a very interesting idea ! What parts do you usually mix ? Do you feel it takes away from the look ? Yes could you please elaborate Jud? I have been thinking about this very topic. It is so hard to justify paying 147USD for a MKIV squad with full legion upgrades that then leaves me with 10 useless heads/torsos. It seems so much more affordable to buy the standard Tactical kit and add in legion upgrades (clocking in at about 86USD). Especially considering all the extra bits and weapons you will have when its done. I find mixing the bitz doesn't take too much away from the HH look. For my force I've used bitz from the tactical squad (GW), Sternguard veterans (GW) and Vanguard veterans (GW) then used a MK IV and MK III tactical set (FW) and a Legion MK IV Assault squad (FW) My project log is on here, have a look, make your own mind up, it's the link in my signature. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307780-the-xiii-legion-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-4049483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted May 19, 2015 Author Share Posted May 19, 2015 My UM were going to be all MkII and III, but then they brought out the upgrades for MkIV... So I'll have a sprinkling of that in there. I'll see what they look like on MkII and III legs/bodies etc. Would you mind posting pics of a praetor helm (unglued) in a mk 2 torso? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/307780-the-xiii-legion-ultramarines/page/2/#findComment-4049524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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